Solo FB59

Level always plays a part. If you solo it at your level there is an increased chance of getting nothing. Remeber drops, especially from bosses depend greatly on the average level of the party compared to the boss/mob killed. The bosses in fb 59 are what? Lvl 62 or so? I'd say there is a fair chance you won't get anything but coins, but you won't have TERRIBLE luck. honestly I wouldn't waste my time if I were you unless there is something in there you REALLY want, and be prepared to do multiple runs.

I soloed fb59 when I was at lvl 67 (foxform veno with herc). It is possible. The bosses there are lvl 65 so you can get 100% drop rate at lvl 67. At lvl 68 you will get 90% drop rate. At 70 you will get 80%. At 73 it will drop to 70%. But thats no guarantee of getting molds. Soloed it about 4 times without tabs. In that time I killed 20 bosses, got a dozen 3 star items (worth very little), and 2 molds. I ran it part way without wine and found it to be a pain in the neck. There are mobs there that run into the walls and up on the cliff tops where pet cant reach. Only way to get them down is to run back until pet retracts then mob will follow. The wines are expensive but a must if you're gonna solo it. I am a str build veno with a weak heal. My pet heal is about 200 lower than most but I was able to keep up on bosses 90% of time (died a couple times from lag). Normal magic build would probably have no trouble. If pet health does drop press the follow button repeatedly to call pet back and away from mob. This will cause the mob to only hit with its magic attack which will give you a few seconds to catch up on heal. Without Herc it would be impossible, even with 2 venos healing I doubt a rock would survive. All the bosses are phys attackers with no aoe and all hit about the same. No real surprises, but not really worth it. The price of the wine is about 250k+. There is little chance of recouping the wine price. You could gather the mats yourself but those same mats made into ult sub could earn you 280k so you'd loose the potential profits.

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

soloing it isn't the problem. I have a herc. O_o

But that .70 drop rate sucks. So can someone explain to me how venos are supposed to be these crazy money makers? Wtf can we really solo that will give good loot? Do I have to get 90 for the good TT's or something?

If you cube, then you can get lots of chips and sell molds and whatnot. If not you TT your **** off, both solo and squad mode, its not that hard for venos. Venos are basically the only class that can solo TTs with any real speed. Sure barbs and BMs can too, but not at enar the speed, or the lack of cost (venos only need an mp charm for solo runs, and both charms for squad, and will use little of either)

Lets take a look at what a solo TT 1-1 can bring in. Lets see on a bad day thats at least 1 drum or edge, 2-4 mirage celestones, and some pieces of skeletons. So on most servers thats about 100k for the drum or edge, 25-40k for the mirages, and the pieces of skeleton you can npc...so that comes to about 150k-200k per BAD run. The ultimae sub it took to open it cost say, 50k, so thats a 100k-150k profit on a BAD run of TT 1-1 solo. The run at your level would take you about 30 mins tops, if it takes you longer something went wrong...

TT 1-1 squad mode on chin alone you can make 200-400k, and if you can survive the drummer thats another 200-400k, no sub required, just some people to help you open it. Takes maybe 20 mins per boss to solo squad mode.

TT 1-2 solo don't bother unless you are solo farming frameworks for a friend or soemthing.

TT 1-2 squad you can solo chin, the armor boss, and at 73 or so the snake boss. Those three can net you several mil in an hour or two of sitting there watching them get beat upon by a herc. I would avoid drummer and the tenctacle boss in 1-2 squad until at least 80+, probably longer.


So do you see where your money lies? With a herc and a pure mag build you can easily solo alot of TT bosses, and make lots of money of the mats, or save yourself money and make your own stuff. If you don't want to sell the mats, invest in uping your BS, Tailoring, and Crafting, make the TT items, and sell them, though this is hit and miss with alot of stuff, because if you make the wrong thing you are gonna have it taking up space for awhile.

Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »

got a dozen 3 star items (worth very little)

3-star items can be decomposed into mirage celstones (provided you have sufficient crafting skill). The 3-star drops in FB59 are mostly level 8 with a few level 7. Level 7 decomposes to 2 mirages, level 8 to 3. Assuming mirages sell for 20k and accounting for the repair and decompose fee:

A dozen level 7 3-stars would be worth about 300k in mirages.
A dozen level 8 3-stars would be worth about 450k in mirages.

If you don't have sufficient crafting skill, you can auction them (even the crappy ones) at close to the value of the mirages. The level 7 3-stars should auction for 25k-30k. The level 8 3-stars should go for close to 35k-40k.

The wines are expensive but a must if you're gonna solo it.

The price of the wine is about 250k+. There is little chance of recouping the wine price. You could gather the mats yourself but those same mats made into ult sub could earn you 280k so you'd loose the potential profits.

Many people do FB59 for the darkness stamp drops to build up reputation. It's the last FB where they drop. You pretty much lose these if you wine it.

In my experience the only real money maker is TT. At lvl 68 u can run TT1-2 single (takes 1 ult sub). This one will drop mats that can be used for TT70 arms and a few others. Not a huge profit but pretty good.
At lvl 74 you can run TT2-1 single (takes 2 ult sub) which is just as ez. In fact, if you can get a lvl 74 friend to open the door (and stay in party) you are completely capable of handling TT2-1 solo. It is no more difficult than TT1-2. In TT2-1 you can get the mats for TT70 legs and a few others. In my very limited experience so far TT runs can net about 500k-1mil per hour. Many of the drops there are worth 300-400k each. A few of those and you got yourself a nest egg. They do get boring after a while though cuz there is little challenge and the drops are much the same. If you can find a TT party (look for a TT chatroom) you can run parties with 4 players or more. The party TT are much more challenging but not a lot more profitable for the veno since the drops are split 4+ ways. Not all the TT mats can be obtained by single mode so if you plan to make your armor/wep you will have to sell the single mode mats to buy what you need.

Walterthewf - Harshlands wrote: »

What happens if you bring 3 level 1s with you and solo the boss?

party mode TT1's have one or more aoe bosses that hit harder and harder as they die. The aoe is physical so a typical magic veno would be hard pressed to solo it. It may be possible with a charm. I'm not sure.
If you bring a cleric he/she will be equally hard hit. Blue bubble is good but can't keep up if the aoe is hitting 1500. Cleric needs to have decent armor and a healthy amount of hp.
My veno is str build foxform with heavy armor. The aoe is much more tolerable for me but my pet heal is insufficient alone to keep up on some of these. I need a second veno... then the other veno dies to the aoe, pet dies, I die... the end

Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »

party mode TT1's have one or more aoe bosses that hit harder and harder as they die. The aoe is physical so a typical magic veno would be hard pressed to solo it. It may be possible with a charm. I'm not sure.
If you bring a cleric he/she will be equally hard hit. Blue bubble is good but can't keep up if the aoe is hitting 1500. Cleric needs to have decent armor and a healthy amount of hp.
My veno is str build foxform with heavy armor. The aoe is much more tolerable for me but my pet heal is insufficient alone to keep up on some of these. I need a second veno... then the other veno dies to the aoe, pet dies, I die... the end

What if you solo FB 59 at level 89 then as your killing the bosses you have 3 level 1 characters outside of AoE. They don't do anything. Would they increase your drop rate by much?

Sorry for the confusion. FB59 has no aoe bosses. Party mode of TT does. In theory a party comprised of several lower level members should increase the chance of a drop. In practice I have never seen this successful. I am not sure how parties affect drop rates. Never found any info on how it is calculated and am dying to know. I dont believe that the levels of party members are averaged. I think that the drop rate of each party member is calculated separately and then averaged. Supposedly a lvl 1 player would not negatively affect drop rate, so adding several to party SHOULD increase the drop rate.

If drop rates are averaged our theoretical party would look like this:
player 1: 20 lvl above mob - 40% drop rate
player 2: lvl 1 - 100% drop rate
player 3: lvl 1 - 100% drop rate
player 4: lvl 1 -100% drop rate
avg. - 85%

so IF (and I stress if) this theory is correct than having 3 lower level players in party (and probably also have to be within range) would bring the drop rate up to 85%

Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »

party mode TT1's have one or more aoe bosses that hit harder and harder as they die. The aoe is physical so a typical magic veno would be hard pressed to solo it. It may be possible with a charm. I'm not sure.
If you bring a cleric he/she will be equally hard hit. Blue bubble is good but can't keep up if the aoe is hitting 1500. Cleric needs to have decent armor and a healthy amount of hp.
My veno is str build foxform with heavy armor. The aoe is much more tolerable for me but my pet heal is insufficient alone to keep up on some of these. I need a second veno... then the other veno dies to the aoe, pet dies, I die... the end

Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »

worse than that... all 4 members need to be present for the TT instance to start. After it has started they would have to stay in party but wouldn't have to be present I don't think.

NOT TRUE . . . All members have to be present to open the TT. Once it is opened however, all other members can leave the party, as long as the leader of the party is the one that intends to stay. ^^; Have done it several times.

Sleep is good. But, I want the game back up, I wanna do my CS then I can sleep.

During level 71 + 72 I've been only farming the fire boss. My results? 1 Mold (Solarslayer), bunch of 3 stars, and 50 darkness stamps in total (yay for 400 rep). I have yet to get flame boots of intensity and the fact that I've gotten 50 darkness stamps and not the mold tells me that I should stop. Valley of fire is probably the shortest too. From the top of my head there's 17 mobs (or less) I need to kill in total (not including entrance and fire drake boss). That takes me approx 20-30mins to do.