a way to counter pvp noobs

AndromedaB - Sanctuary
AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
edited April 2009 in General Discussion
i propose dmg reduction system that operates like this

dmg -dmg(cuberoot (difference in lv-20))*2.5%

changed mod form 1.5 to 3
and root to cube root...

cube root(20 - 10) * 2.5 = 5.38608673% dmg reduction
cube root(30 - 10) * 2.5 = 6.78604404
cube root(40 - 10) * 2.5 = 7.76808126
cube root(50 - 10) * 2.5 = 8.54987973
cube root(60 - 10) * 2.5 = 9.21007875
cube root(70 - 10) * 2.5 = 9.7871691
cube root(80 - 10) * 2.5 = 10.3032132


however if lower lv attacks higher lv no reduction is made
if both are within 20 levels of each other no reduction is done (the -20 thing)
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i propose dmg reduction system that operates like this

    dmg -dmg(root (difference in lv-20))*3%

    so lv 60 attacking lv 30 lv 60's pvp dmg would be reduced by 9-10ish%?
    just guessing dont have a calc on me

    however if lower lv attacks higher lv no reduction is made
    if both are within 20 levels of each other no reduction is done (the -20 thing)

    Not such a bad idea but the difference on the last part should be 10 and not 20 lvls. 20 lvls are way too much, just think of a lvl50 getting pwned by an 70 lol.
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  • Oldbear - Sanctuary
    Oldbear - Sanctuary Posts: 486 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Well if you want to do this to "even the playfield" then all you have to do is remove all your gear and maybe a weapon too and there- that should do it
    if we talk about simple damage reduction. It's very simple way to nerf yourself if that's what you want.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Currently, some people have a huge incentive for killing people much lower level than them -- our per-server pvp ranking lists.

    Killing a level 30 counts on this list just like killing a level 99.

    Personally, unless they were always been blue named or were on this list because of defending in TW, I think people should be embarrassed if they show up there.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Currently, some people have a huge incentive for killing people much lower level than them -- our per-server pvp ranking lists.

    Killing a level 30 counts on this list just like killing a level 99.

    Personally, unless they were always been blue named and were on this list because of defending in TW, I think people should be embarrassed if they show up there.

    They should change this so you LOSE kills depending on the level of the person you killed. Ever 10 levels they are below you, you lose 1 pk count.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    They should change this so you LOSE kills depending on the level of the person you killed. Ever 10 levels they are below you, you lose 1 pk count.

    Easier still would be to simply not count PKs of characters 10+ levels lower.
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  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Why do people who never pvp anyway care?
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  • ragincagein
    ragincagein Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    yes i agree! i have been wanting to start a thread about the pk boards promoting 3x lvl griefing. i mean if you want to increase your kill count to show up on the boards, all they do is prey on 3x lvl chars near their required quests and get rewarded for it by showing as a top killer on the boards? leave the boards to lvl only or something, or follow some of thhese suggestions in this thread.


    edit: btw i play on LC and im 54. so i am past the hardest part of the preying.
  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Oh, and a damage reduction formula would really **** up TW...

    How about just not going into PK mode if you don't want to be killed?
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh, and a damage reduction formula would really **** up TW...

    How about just not going into PK mode if you don't want to be killed?

    the idea is that it only works in normal places... like sp and stuffz
  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I have considered your idea and have denied it.

    Now if you'll excuse me, there are some level 30s who think pk mode is cool. I have to change their mind. brb. b:surrender
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why do people who never pvp anyway care?

    Right, because, I mean, they've obviously never PvPed in any game ever before. <.<
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Right, because, I mean, they've obviously never PvPed in any game ever before. <.<

    Who cares about other games. This is PW. And if you are on a pve server and go white. I don't care if you're level 30 or 90, you're fair game.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Who cares about other games. This is PW. And if you are on a pve server and go white. I don't care if you're level 30 or 90, you're fair game.

    I'm going to guess the part where I was responding to someone talking about the Ranking list just completely went over your head.
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    im saying somthing like it should be implimented to stop pk noobs from killing lv 30s in sp and ruining pk for ppl
    with my formula, the higher level would still be stronger but it gives the lower level a slight chance to win or run away, mostly run away

    i didnt say i was getting killed in sp >_>
    i pk elsewhere
    because i can think in ZOMG! 3 DIMENSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • dieho
    dieho Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    ragincagein wrote: »


    edit: btw i play on LC and im 54. so i am past the hardest part of the preying.



    no you are not. the swamp will be MUCH worse for you.
  • dieho
    dieho Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i propose dmg reduction system that operates like this

    dmg -dmg(root (difference in lv-20))*3%

    so lv 60 attacking lv 30 lv 60's pvp dmg would be reduced by 9-10ish%?
    just guessing dont have a calc on me

    however if lower lv attacks higher lv no reduction is made
    if both are within 20 levels of each other no reduction is done (the -20 thing)



    using this logic 3 level 70s could go drop some 9x because of the damage reduction. sounds kind of flawed to me when they can go hunt red level 90s with level 70s. yet the level 80s are screwed and just get slaughtered.

    if you play on pvp server you CHOSE to get pked at any time someone feels like it. if you are on pve server and go white name you CHOSE to get pked any time someone feels like it.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why do people who never pvp anyway care?

    For example, when I visit dragon temple, I usually boost pk ranks for jerks but not for people I like.
  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    didnt the ranking system get revised and a bunch of ppl lost kills? i think if the ranking matters so much, just make it not count when someone kills a poor dude 20 lvls lower.
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why do people who never pvp anyway care?

    How do you know thease people never PVP?? Yes my avitar says Heavens Tear but that dont mean thats the only server I have characters on.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    People will always find ways to get around the countermeasures. What's the point of ranking anyway? e-p3n0r5? Get rid of it. If you really want to test yourself against other players, it shouldn't matter if your name shows on some kind of list.

    Besides, that list don't impress anyone. Everyone knows the highest ranks have no skills. All they ever do is build up sparks then try to ambush and nuke people in lower lvl grinding spots who don't have sparks. The real skilled pvpers could never show up on the rank anyway, because, frankly, one-shotting noobs is beneath them. Sobs get first place.b:pleased
  • senovit
    senovit Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    You know it's currently the opposite way around right? Higher level = more damage reduction against lower levels attacks, and vice versa.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    senovit wrote: »
    You know it's currently the opposite way around right? Higher level = more damage reduction against lower levels attacks, and vice versa.

    Pretty much like mobs, except higher lvl mobs don't stalk and ambush you in lower lvl grinding spots.b:laugh
  • Seraph - Dreamweaver
    Seraph - Dreamweaver Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Pretty much like mobs, except higher lvl mobs don't stalk and ambush you in lower lvl grinding spots.b:laugh

    Now THAT would make things a bit more interesting... LOL

    You'd be leaving Arch through one of the gates and see a lvl 50+ Hexcelot from Talon Fortress hiding behind a tree getting ready to pounce a lvl 20-ish player that's taking down a mob... XD
  • MissTerra - Lost City
    MissTerra - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Seraph - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Now THAT would make things a bit more interesting... LOL

    You'd be leaving Arch through one of the gates and see a lvl 50+ Hexcelot from Talon Fortress hiding behind a tree getting ready to pounce a lvl 20-ish player that's taking down a mob... XD

    Omg, that would be hilarious. Frustrating if you're that level 20, but hilarious for everybody else.
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    changed formula
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Pretty much like mobs, except higher lvl mobs don't stalk and ambush you in lower lvl grinding spots.b:laugh

    Yes they do!


    I remember quite clearly running along the beach on a really nice day enjoying the sites when all of a sudden, out of nowhere, BAM, some level 70 elite levels my character. b:sad It had been hiding behind some trees waiting to ambush me. b:shocked
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  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Maybe a different idea. Basically restrict a range of lvls certain PvP can lvl. As the level of the player rises, their range also rises

    Lvl 30 - 39 : Max PvP Range (+/(-) 10 lvls), the lower range must be at least 30
    Lvl 40 - 49 : Max PvP Range (+/(-) 12 lvls), the lower range must be higher than 30
    ....
    ...
    ...
    Lvl 120+ : Max PvP Range (lv 90 - 150)

    So a lv 30 could only be attacked/be attacked by a lv 40 at max. A lv 39 could be attacked/be attacked by a lv 30 or a lv 49

    A lv 40 can only attack/be attacked by lv 31s and be attacked by lv 52s
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  • rsin
    rsin Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    My oppinion....
    Anyone can usually kill something much lower than they are.
    Takes more skills to kill above your level and also puts you at more risk which evens things out better. I say only count the kills that are above your level. That way level 70 wont be attacking level 30 because they'd get nothing from it. Instead they would have to attack above them which would put them at risk of being counter pk'd. I think alot of ppl would think twice about it and truly have to earn their stripes on a more levelled playing field that way.
  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The pvp list is a joke.

    I will continue to kill lowbies multiple times even if it takes kill away from my kill count. b:pleased
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