Fox form with pet for grind?

Well, I dunno about earlier levels, but at 60+ BMs are pretty much the fastest lvlers out of anyone, as they can AoE grind...

if you want to go fox form only, best to go heavy fox build... follow the sticky.

dabrozwadowski wrote: »

Hello.

I'm just curious if light armor build Venomancer will be good for playing in foxform only?

I mean lvling in foxform with pet.

Will that work?
Or If I want to play always in foxform & pet it's better for me to choose blademaster?
Which one would lvl faster? foxform & pet or bm?

Fox Form Veno with Pet will outspeed a BM so much that it would make the BM's head spin lol. They cannot deal Damage but you can Tank & Deal Damage and even Kill 2 to 3 Monsters at the same time but honestly...Forget the Light Armor. Light Armor is junk for a Fox Veno. Go with your main plate and pants as Heavy Armor of the highest you can use, the Bracer and Boots as Arcane and your Necklace & Belt with high Evasion bonuses. Light would almost work due to your evasiveness but you do not need Dex for accuracy as a Fox and if you sink points into it you will gimp your damage horribly. You have to have almost = amounts of Str and Magic (Magic to power your skills and to allow you to equip worthwhile weapons and Str to make your hits mean something more than a nerf bat. If you do not out damage your pet you are probably doing something wrong TBH) with a bit of Vit and Dex thrown in early but about 40 Vit and 30 Dex max.

That mix of equipment will keep you safe from Physical Damage, Elemental Damage, & Damage in general when they miss you because of Befuddling mist. Use slots in armor to add to your evasion where you can and you can Solo very well and are still quite useful for party fighting once you learn to Pull and get Amplify Damage.

Do keep one very important thing about Fox Venos in mind though: All your skills will be based on Physical Attack Damage, NOT MAGICAL, so use Physical Attack boosting Rings and Similar Stones in your "Magic Weapon" of choice and always look for the highest Physical Attack on those crappy Magic Weapons you must use. (This is also why having no strength means having no damage output because Strength increases how much Physical Damage you deal as well as how much Physical Resistance you have)

Also, as a Fox Veno do not be afraid to get in the face of your enemy and beat them up. You are not a squishy mage as a Fox and you can fight right up there with your pet though I would advise against a Golem as they are slow and ill suited to deal the damage output you need. I would go more with a Sharptooth wolf but that is my experience. You are essentially a light Tank Damage Dealer as a Fox Veno with your Pet acting as a full out Tank with you as its Cleric. The Fox Veno can be a LOT of fun and very rewarding and refreshingly different from any "Mage Class" so much so most people will not know what to expect from you which can be a serious advantage heehee.

Non-Fox Form spells you may want to consider will be Metabolic Boost, Nature's Grace (Not very important but worth getting with Extra SP if you have it) and Bramble Guard (Get it, Max it, Cast it on yourself and friends then shift to Fox and enjoy).

I'm leveling a melee foxform, and so far I don't find it slow to kill or something.

A barb is a pain in whatever you want to level because of his low damage (and no pet to help), and it's even lower in tiger form.

I personnaly think that considering the time you'll last leveling your char, just take one you enjoy. As for BM weapon, aim for the one you like (fast weak hits or slow strong hits). If you like fox form, just do it, it's very doable.

Try them both ;-)

As an option : why do you want so hard to grind as fast as possible? Why is grinding more important than you char?

Succubae - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't agree about the damage output and light/heavy. Read the link I posted. Light armor is not that bad, and I think it's better for leveling.

In short, heavy armor stops you from using the last weapon for your level, and the higher str is not enough to have better damage. Don't forget the skill Melee Mastery which will amplify the effect of your weapon.

For the pet, the best dps and max damage hit I've found so far is the scorpic. But take the one you like.

Right now I out DPS a non-tiger barb of my level with my build so I suspect the damage loss is very noticable. Getting a higher level weapon faster is not that big of a deal because our weapons are horrible for physical attack anyway and if you get a good 3* of a slightly lower level it can easily last you past the baby step weapons onto the next one.

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Right now I out DPS a non-tiger barb of my level with my build so I suspect the damage loss is very noticable. Getting a higher level weapon faster is not that big of a deal because our weapons are horrible for physical attack anyway and if you get a good 3* of a slightly lower level it can easily last you past the baby step weapons onto the next one.

^^

Got to agree with this poster. I imagine we have a similar build.

Damage isn't a problem. Sometimes I steal aggro from my golem even when it has bash on. And when you find a good weapon with these types of builds, you're going to keep them for a very long time.

A lot of the damage we do in foxform has more to due with our extra strength than it does our weapons damage.

How about this. Try building a light and a heavy veno. When you get around level 40-50, duel a barb near your level (barbs love trying to duel with my foxy). I guarantee you'll never go back to light. ^_^

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

here we are. Looks like it DOES include weapon onto the "base physical damage" I think the x% of weapon damage is added on top of it as a bonus when it comes to those other skills you refer to lazer, like (base) + x% of base + (fixed dmg) = total before resistances/level differences are calculated in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFJW3MvbNw

Um, try writing the numbers down since the video makes them unreadable.

dabrozwadowski wrote: »

I've decided to make a Blademaster.

In Fist way I guess cuz I aim for 1 vs 1.

Good choice?

If you are going to go BM, I highly recommend going to the BM forums and reading the BM guide.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=143481

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

bleh **** the numbers, look how much slower the killing is in the unarmed test even using skills, isnt that enough >_>?

Except the game is based on numbers, not observations which means that only by looking at the numbers will you get anywhere.


Human form with 102 strength and no weapon, my veno has 52 Physical Damage. In Fox Form with no weapon she has 73 Physical Damage which means that 12 of the Human Form damage is possibly considered as "weapon damage" for the purposes of Melee Mastery.

Her Befuddling Mist does base + 474.7 physical damage, and in attacks on frail blobs with no weapon was doing 444 damage. Her melee attacks were doing 59 damage, and with a base melee of 73 meant the blobs had a physical DR of 19%. With a physical DR of 19%, Befuddling Mist was doing 444 which is ~81% of the stated addon damage + 81% of her physical damage. That number was pretty static except sometimes it only showed her doing the damage that Befuddling Mist was inflicting without the additional "base physical damage" which was odd.

Now, with her weapon equipped, her Physical Damage goes up to 373-472, of which 185-250 is the Weapon Damage which means her base damage should be ~178-222. This is important to note since when she goes to fox form, the weapon damage gets amplified by Melee Mastery, and increases to 335-446 weapon damage, including the 21 point increase that you get without a weapon equipped. That leaves ~177-220 that can be attributed to the characters Strength/level with a weapon equipped.


In Fox Form, melee damage is all of the Physical Damage, and the average of that is ~476 after applying 19% DR, and the average of her attacks over 32 attacks came out to ~476, and removing the average of the non-weapon damage leaves ~315 damage to attribute to the Weapon itself which matches the average of the amplified damage from the glaive after 19% DR. Also, in Fox Form, her Befuddling Mist was hitting for ~853. After the add-on damage is taken out, that leaves ~470 average damage. Take out the average base physical damage, and that leaves ~309 damage which is ~98% of the average weapon damage.


The conclusions here are that the game is including part or all of the weapon damage in the Fox Form skills, and that equipping a weapon also amplifies the character's bonus physical damage gained from strength.

*sigh* hypothesis was wrong. <.< Oh well. Yay at refuting my own hypothesis. b:chuckle

baritomaris - Sanctuary wrote: »

A Lot Of The Damage We Do In Foxform Has More To Due With Our Extra Strength Than It Does Our Weapons Damage.

How About This. Try Building A Light And A Heavy Veno. When You Get Around Level 40-50, Duel A Barb Near Your Level (barbs Love Trying To Duel With My Foxy). I Guarantee You'll Never Go Back To Light. ^_^

No, no and no. I did the computations, and weapon is a huge part of the damage, due to Melee Mastery.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=246471

If you duel a barb, the insane Pdef of a heavy veno in fox form is the only advantage over a light veno. If you get no damage, of course you'll win... Try duel a mage or a cleric in your heavy armour...

Ladydeadlock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or try duel a cleric in light armor.. Without ur pet, you'll be as dead as u can be...

Yup, but slower than a heavy... ;-)

I just wanted to point out that the big advantage against a barb is the Pdef, not the damage.

Still, the biggest advantage is what you have between the chair and the keyboard...