Success of full attack clerics
Well I read the guide that's stickied and i was really interested by this build but i have a few questions since i've never even considered playing cleric before.
First of all, how successful is this build? Can you actually shell out enough damage at the higher levels to solo grind/PK?
Also are robes really the best way to go for a pure build (with 9 magic and 1 strength)?
How fast can you level?
And lastly does it hold up in end game PvP (70+)?
Oh and is it fun to play?
If you have any tips on playing this or cleric in general that be great too. Thx
First of all, how successful is this build? Can you actually shell out enough damage at the higher levels to solo grind/PK?
Also are robes really the best way to go for a pure build (with 9 magic and 1 strength)?
How fast can you level?
And lastly does it hold up in end game PvP (70+)?
Oh and is it fun to play?
If you have any tips on playing this or cleric in general that be great too. Thx
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I started my first character about 3 weeks ago. I am now level 48.
Full attack cleric is pretty much the best option 1- probabably level 60ish.
I grind poison mobs. I can kill level 60 poison mobs pretty easily at level 47.
But for efficiancy I tend to grin the ones about 5 levels above me.
I met two Full healing clerics the other day that were doing the same quest as me. I could kill a mob at the same speed as the two of them combined. And one was the same level as me. (47)
They took about 2 extra plume shots to kill.
If you want to do alot of solo stuff, this is the only way to go otherwise you are going to be begging to join with others all the time.
When fighting melee/archer mobs I prefer to find a partner, but I can easily take them out.
Teaming up with someone they apprieciate the damage you can do.0 -
FACs - great until level 4x, 5x at the most. In a PvP server, **** afterwards. In a PvE server, **** after 6x, 7x at the latest. Reason? Extremely squishy. You get destroyed in PvP, and boss AOEs will eat you alive in 7x+.0
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fac isn't a build. slutmonkey is an idiot.0
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Oh my freaking god. Get over yourself. Honestly, no one really cares that you think FACs don't exist. Good for you. And for gods sake, saying FAC just makes it easier to know what we're talking about.Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »fac isn't a build. slutmonkey is an idiot.
No wait, your right. We should stop saying FAC. From now on, let's all refer to them as "Attack-oriented clerics that went 9 magic 1 strength every 2 levels that max out their attacks as much as possible and don't level their heals as much except for ironheart blessing because it's a mandatory heal".
Or for short, "AOCTW9M1SE2LTMOTAAMAPADLTHAMEFIBBIAMH".0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »fac isn't a build. slutmonkey is an idiot.
where's teh real flaming? If you wish to flame, do so like a real man... not one line of text.. I demand an essay of flaming!Position: Professional Forum Troll
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i'm not flaming. the simple minded twits that run around lost city can usually understand that fac isn't a build, i guess these are the waste of the waste.
a build is how you distribute your attribute points, not how you level your skills. there's 4 builds: full mag, light armor, heavy armor, and hybrid. choosing to level skill a before skill b does not change who you are.
a level 40 "FAC" told me he could beat me in a duel because i'm a support cleric, thus i can never level my attacks.0 -
Well back on topic, PvE i am doing just fine and i am attack oriented. I am not really pure as i have 15 vit, 28 with eq. My hp is about 1600 right now and coming from playng a wizzard on the last server, i am surviving 10 times better on this char in PvP then that one just do to plume shell alone. So i guess it is relative to what you have done before.
I solo every quest, mostly solo pvp, i rarely group PvP or grind and i have died maybe 4 times due to negligence. It is not hard if you pay attention
I been pumping my eq with hp shards and a few phys, make sure i only buy eq with bonuses of +phys and +hp/vit. They must have both or 2-3 of one or i don't buy/keep what i craft. If you really pay attention to your eq i don't see why it is a problem. I will prob add some more vit later on, get it to around 60/70 unless i do some great work on my crafting/buying0 -
As a former 70 FAC (uh... that is i've read and followed Cayeon's guide) I have to admit: there is no such thing as full attack cleric build. Every cleric can attack and hits hard, every cleric can heal - and even if you want to only attack... what will you do when your guildmates are waiting for a healer and you can heal because this ironheart is sooo useful for leveling and pvp that you've maxed it? Refusing healing in such a situation is simply too selfish for me. Good cleric is the one mastered both sides of his class.First of all, how successful is this build? Can you actually shell out enough damage at the higher levels to solo grind/PK?
70+ is end game? b:shocked Middlegame maybe. It gets a couple of months getting there and MMORPG are meant to be played for years.And lastly does it hold up in end game PvP (70+)?
It is the same for clerics and wizards: full mag (full int) build is extremely expensive. You must refine like hell just to survive, and on 70-80 it simply does not worth it, damage increase is not great at all. In pvp it's +100-200, may be a bit more. So I'd recommend you to go full mag for first say 40-50 levels then pump vit, or just go vit cleric from the start (you'll level a bit slower though, about 15-20%, but additional hp helps a lot).
Of course, because of cleric two-sideness. This is not just healing class with gimped attacks like in say LineageII, cleric's attacks are near as hard as wizard's so clerics is both healer and damage dealer (that is if you will not allow your guildmates to make another healing slave lol).Oh and is it fun to play?If you have any tips on playing this or cleric in general that be great too. Thx
Choose your skills very carefully, don't get even 1 level of skill just to try. For first 50 levels you'll need only three skills - plume shot, cyclone and ironheart blessing. Other skills can be useful but those are must have. I generally agree with Cayeon's guide on skill selection.--
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Rinnve makes a good point about the statement of forp's:
Full attack cleric really isn't a true statement since all clerics can attack and heal. But the mind behind the cleric may be "attack oriented" and may refuse to heal because of that mindset. Yet I've had clerics that actually don't want to attack while squadding because they say they are a "full support cleric".
I don't disagree with a particular build of cleric, it doesn't matter but i do disagree with how some people abide by the name of the build so religiously. If u picked a cleric for just attacking, well you have picked the wrong character. But anywho....
Ive heard good things about the build of fac and ive heard bad. This debate never seems to end but the only advice i would say is try it out if your curious, it may fit ur playstyle. You may find its difficult without having any vit added in there or maybe you'll adapt who knows. And any cleric is fun to play no matter the build b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Well I read the guide that's stickied and i was really interested by this build but i have a few questions since i've never even considered playing cleric before.
First of all, how successful is this build? Can you actually shell out enough damage at the higher levels to solo grind/PK?
Solo grind...easily.
PK...If you get the drop on whomever you are aiming at.Also are robes really the best way to go for a pure build (with 9 magic and 1 strength)?
Full Mag build ( 9/1 ) sorta limits you too arcane robes by default.How fast can you level?
As fast as you can do your quests. The first 20 or so levels are a little slow until you get Ironheart. After that they scream by until you hit about 50th. The only difficulties you face are FB's and Boss mobs outside FB's. 50th-60th is a lot of grinding but you have the tools to solo grind effectively and efficiently...except for MP use. Clerics in general are MP ****. The larger MP pool a full Mage Cleric has helps...but you will burn through MP like water. Learn to conserve, pack rat everything, find a Barb/BM buddy. 60th+ You have Justice quests. Learn to love them. 70+ adds World Quests. Learn to hate them but do them anyways. 80+ is when Rebirth quests become viable. Did I mention do your quests?And lastly does it hold up in end game PvP (70+)?
Which type of PvP? PK? TW?
In both cases ( no matter what your build is ) the Cleric is the first target. Grow eyes in the back of your head.Oh and is it fun to play?
I think so...but then I'm biased.If you have any tips on playing this or cleric in general that be great too. Thx
Do all of your quests. Never leave anything laying on the ground. However much you like to solo I would recommend finding a good faction and friends. Solo is fallback. Round about 70th level learn how to refine your weapons and armor. Consider restat too a Vit build between 70-90th ( 60-100 Vit )...then decide whether you want to go back to Full Mag at that point due to the incredible equips available.
Oh...and Ironheart stacks. 'Nuff said.Mark 12:29-37
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »fac isn't a build. slutmonkey is an idiot.
I was using his Terminology, everyone knew what he ment even you.
I stand by my comments. I picked all my skills and put everything into MAG up until level 55, to ensure max damage done.
This certainly doesn't make me an idiot. It made me level **** loads faster. I only died a few times after level 20 most of which more HP would not have saved me. So I don't regret it at all.
Now I started adding all my points to VIT at level 54/55. I am perfectly happy with my survivability. It is my character not yours. Someone asked for advice on a certain play style and I stand by that advice. Don't need Vit till 60+.0 -
slutmonkey wrote: »I started my first character about 3 weeks ago. I am now level 48.
Full attack cleric is pretty much the best option 1- probabably level 60ish.
I grind poison mobs. I can kill level 60 poison mobs pretty easily at level 47.
But for efficiancy I tend to grin the ones about 5 levels above me.
I met two Full healing clerics the other day that were doing the same quest as me. I could kill a mob at the same speed as the two of them combined. And one was the same level as me. (47)
They took about 2 extra plume shots to kill.
If you want to do alot of solo stuff, this is the only way to go otherwise you are going to be begging to join with others all the time.
When fighting melee/archer mobs I prefer to find a partner, but I can easily take them out.
Teaming up with someone they apprieciate the damage you can do.
What build were you using and what are your stats?Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »What build were you using and what are your stats?
He already said, he was a pure mag build (1str 9mag every 2 lvls) up to lvl 50 or so then he started adding a bit on his vit.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Yeh its kinda silly to rigidly follow a build- like some ppl are doing with FAC. Basically you should try to have just enough HP to be comfortable. This could be 20 vit, or it could be 100 vit- depends alot on your equip. Excess HP is a waste, in much the same way as excess str/dex is wasteful.
Remember that you may need to adjust as you go on. At lower levels you can maybe get away with having a quite low HP. 6x-8x might have to raise it if you do alot of HH. 90+ probably adjust again.0 -
Yeh its kinda silly to rigidly follow a build- like some ppl are doing with FAC. Basically you should try to have just enough HP to be comfortable. This could be 20 vit, or it could be 100 vit- depends alot on your equip. Excess HP is a waste, in much the same way as excess str/dex is wasteful.
Remember that you may need to adjust as you go on. At lower levels you can maybe get away with having a quite low HP. 6x-8x might have to raise it if you do alot of HH. 90+ probably adjust again.
FAC can be LA, hybrid, full vit/int....if ya read the guide. So you cant say some one is a fac on status build. Its skill choice, and god damn it stinks b:chuckleb:dirty0 -
I was taking on 6 lvl above me today and yes poison as I would say they are the easiest.I would say I am pure mag light robes with little more in vit 1 or 2%.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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Full Attack Cleric (FAC)/Full Support Cleric (FSC) = Full Int build
please people, enough with the full attack and full support cleric stuff, everyone does both
it's all your mind set and either way your a cleric, people know you heal.0 -
Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »He already said, he was a pure mag build (1str 9mag every 2 lvls) up to lvl 50 or so then he started adding a bit on his vit.
Not only that, I pick only the skills that make me do more damage. I had level 1 revive for about 10 levels after I first got Rev. Then I put in some more points as I got around level 5. I had it at level once I got to 53ish.
At level 59 I pumped it up to level 8.
Other than that I maxed iron heart blessing and did not choose any squad buffs. I did celest seal to level 4, is still level 4 at 60. I got squad buffs at level 59 also and now I am doing alot of squading and dungeon runs where rev and those buffs are important.
Before level 60 they are unimportant just like vit. It is hard to lose HP if the mob is dead before it even gets to you. If you choose another build type, the mob will get a couple of hits on you unless you hard out kite, this wastes time and mana.0 -
ADvEnTcUrSe - Sanctuary wrote: »Full Attack Cleric (FAC)/Full Support Cleric (FSC) = Full Int build
please people, enough with the full attack and full support cleric stuff, everyone does both
it's all your mind set and either way your a cleric, people know you heal.
It all dpends on what skill you are leveling up though if being FAC ou will only go with attacks skills being 10 as for support across the board.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
I love the FAC build.0
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I think Willfire did a great job on covering an attack oriented cleric build. My personal opinion is that those who choose to go with FAC/FSC builds will end up the same at endgame. Im at lvl 92 now, and its pretty much un-heard-of for a cleric to have low lvl of any possibly useful skill. Just a few of those would be IH, plume shot, cyclone, WT, tempest, all seals etc. If I tried to get into an fb or TT squad and I told them I was a FAC or FSc and coudlnt heal or attack well they would LOL and look for another cleric b:bye. IMHO, as a cleric, you can heal and attack, learn to love and use both traits and hf.0
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My build till my lvl 50 was something about
50 vit 180 mag
40 str 20 dex
now im pimping up only mag and my build now on 64 is
50 vit 240 mag
48 str 20 dex
and im happy with this build.
my dmg is around 4k and crit 8-9k.
i can farm good and help in FB's and TT's.
and with 2k hp's i can survive boss's AOE and 2-3 mobs attacking me at once.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Personally, I would recommened FAC (Fail Attack Cleric) to all sucidal freaks who like to live on the edge.
Basically, your heals are only useful in dungeon raids where you get 1 shotted by most AOE bosses unless you have more money than Bill Gates and Warren Buffett put together.
But man, **** PvE because all the cool action is in PvP.
In PvP, you dam squishy as hell, but you'll hit like a ****. Other people can easy 1 shot you like they 1 shotted Paper Mario out of their game stations. But you... Plume Shot is pure pwnage man. Just get to like a high level, +12 your weapon, get some good Perfect Shards. Get some hax damage. Dump everything into Mag, but save some for Str.
Your gonna be hitting like a ****, and dying like a ****. The life of XTREME PvP. Heck you never have to buy charms because you'll die before your HP hits 50% rofl... But dude, it's pwnage.. I recommended it for people with more balls than Michael Jordan's Basketballs. It has the Zephyr Seal of Approval.Position: Professional Forum Troll
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Valenti - Sanctuary wrote: »I think Willfire did a great job on covering an attack oriented cleric build. My personal opinion is that those who choose to go with FAC/FSC builds will end up the same at endgame. Im at lvl 92 now, and its pretty much un-heard-of for a cleric to have low lvl of any possibly useful skill. Just a few of those would be IH, plume shot, cyclone, WT, tempest, all seals etc. If I tried to get into an fb or TT squad and I told them I was a FAC or FSc and coudlnt heal or attack well they would LOL and look for another cleric b:bye. IMHO, as a cleric, you can heal and attack, learn to love and use both traits and hf.
Well...you were my role model in this Val. I learned a lot running about with you in FB/TT. Thanks for your patience.Mark 12:29-37
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I'm flowing the FAC build and you have to see the thing for these side...
is obvious that u will be owned by almost all classes in pvp if u are grinding (like archers and wiz) but u can kill other players too if, u know the weakness of the target, like archers and wiz use the hit and run technique. and if a pker sees you, he will attack no mater what build your using this wont change! also archers and wiz die fast too, but nobody cares! and above all that don't wanna to be a target? go to pve and be whatever u like!
The FB/HH partys... this is conon sence! keep Ironheart Blessing max! y? you have stuns that last 4 to 5 sec! buff and use the plume shell or simply run! i can easily heal a thank alone and still make big damage in mobs along the way making a faster run! another thing, KNOW your party members! running with noob clerics will make you die FAC or not, i know that if i run in a party that have a good healer my job is to DD but if i0 -
Full magic cleric =/= Full attack cleric.
First one is a viable build, although I'm not a fan personally.
The latter, and the word success cannot be used in the same sentence.
Edit:maurokame wrote:I'm flowing the FAC build and you have to see the thing for these side...
is obvious that u will be owned by almost all classes in pvp if u are grinding (like archers and wiz) but u can kill other players too if, u know the weakness of the target, like archers and wiz use the hit and run technique. and if a pker sees you, he will attack no mater what build your using this wont change! also archers and wiz die fast too, but nobody cares! and above all that don't wanna to be a target? go to pve and be whatever u like!
The FB/HH partys... this is conon sence! keep Ironheart Blessing max! y? you have stuns that last 4 to 5 sec! buff and use the plume shell or simply run! i can easily heal a thank alone and still make big damage in mobs along the way making a faster run! another thing, KNOW your party members! running with noob clerics will make you die FAC or not, i know that if i run in a party that have a good healer my job is to DD but if i
This, my fellow forum posters, is what I had in mind.b:dirty0 -
full attack cleric = squishy
full support cleric = leacher...never attacks, just follows party and heals them, annoying
balance out your cleric, no point to staying as fac when there are so many good buffs and heals you can use on yourself when grind
you will grind much faster with buffs and will spend less potions and less mediation0 -
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2) DIE NECROMANCER[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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