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Propoison - Harshlands
Propoison - Harshlands Posts: 4 Arc User
edited April 2009 in Venomancer
Ok so this is my Build : 2 vit and 3 mag every even lvl then 1 str 1 vit 3 mag every other lvl. Im a robe veno, so i can make money quickly. What do you guys think?
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Propoison - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok so this is my Build : 2 vit and 3 mag every even lvl then 1 str 1 vit 3 mag every other lvl. Im a robe veno, so i can make money quickly. What do you guys think?

    Less vit, more int would make you money faster. Robe venos get pets to tank, so you're not getting hit much anyway. Well, at least you're not supposed to. The extra vit just sits there, not doing much. Extra int would increase your damage, which means faster kills and more money.
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Sounds to me like a pvp robe build(its even in the sticky! zomg), and seeing as your on harshlands it will probably serve you pretty well. (though I will say what makes venos money quickly is your damage, not your armor type... so theoretically this will make money as fast as light armor build) Nothing wrong with the build, except damage output might be too low for spam healing TT in some cases unless you get a hold on some -chan gear.
  • Nightfaii - Harshlands
    Nightfaii - Harshlands Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    that vit will help you for one thing only, if you learn how to use your hp and mp boost skills + soul transfusion, you will never have any problems with mana. extra vit means faster hp regeneration, which for a veno means faster mana regen aswell.

    That means never spending money on pots, and saving lots of money.

    Only silly thing about that build is, if you went full int. You would be using less skills to kill because of the extra damage and your mana regen will be crazy fast anyway. Extra vit on robe venos just doesnt seem useful in pvp, you dont have the defense to protect it, why waste stats for more of it? You can do full int and save yourself the trouble of dieing by killing first and asking questions later.

    Im LA build
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    that vit will help you for one thing only, if you learn how to use your hp and mp boost skills + soul transfusion, you will never have any problems with mana. extra vit means faster hp regeneration, which for a veno means faster mana regen aswell.

    That means never spending money on pots, and saving lots of money.

    Only silly thing about that build is, if you went full int. You would be using less skills to kill because of the extra damage and your mana regen will be crazy fast anyway. Extra vit on robe venos just doesnt seem useful in pvp, you dont have the defense to protect it, why waste stats for more of it? You can do full int and save yourself the trouble of dieing by killing first and asking questions later.

    Im LA build

    Venos don't normally take damage to hp while grinding anyway. Less int means lower mana reserve, which means on continuous grinding, you may run out of mana before hp/mp recovery skill cooldown ends.
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Venos don't normally take damage to hp while grinding anyway. Less int means lower mana reserve, which means on continuous grinding, you may run out of mana before hp/mp recovery skill cooldown ends.

    The Vit does however help in pvp, and note the OP character is on a pvp server. Vit/robe is actually pretty good in pvp.

    @Nightfaii, then the OP would be a walking 1shot to pkers. You dont need "the defense to protect it" as long as it gives you another hit, another hit makes you survive longer regardless of how well its being "protected"
  • Nightfaii - Harshlands
    Nightfaii - Harshlands Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The amount of time you last in pvp is just like the area of a rectangle...

    Defense being one side and HP being the other side of the rectangle.

    The rectangle with the most area is a perfect square, evenly distributed sides of equal size.

    You can have all the hp you want, but no defense means every point of vit means less. You may live for 2 hits with vit, but you will last no less time with the defense you should be increasing. But thats what shards are for b:pleased
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    that vit will help you for one thing only, if you learn how to use your hp and mp boost skills + soul transfusion, you will never have any problems with mana. extra vit means faster hp regeneration, which for a veno means faster mana regen aswell.

    It's much more complicated than that. Soul Transfusion converts your hp regen into mp regen in proportion to your ratio of mana to hp. That is, if you have 3000 mana and 1500 hp, getting 1 hp/sec is like getting 2 mp/sec. But if you have 4000 mana and 1000 hp, getting 1 hp/sec is like getting 4 mp/sec. Having more hp actually hurts the rate at which ST can replenish your mana. (Nature's Grace and Metabolic Boost are not affected since they work off the % of hp or mana.)

    So yes vit will help your hp regen rate. But it will hurt your mana to hp ratio, making Soul Transfusion less effective (assuming you want to use it to regain mana - if you want to use ST as an emergency second hp bar, then the opposite applies). I concentrate on increasing mana, decreasing hp (obviously not a pvp build), and just toss on some hp regen items for grinding.

    But the veno gets so many hp and mp manipulation skills (Soul Transfusion, Nature's Grace, Metabolic Boost, Leech, Consume Spirit) that you can probably figure out some combo that works with any build.
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    The amount of time you last in pvp is just like the area of a rectangle...

    Defense being one side and HP being the other side of the rectangle.

    The rectangle with the most area is a perfect square, evenly distributed sides of equal size.

    You can have all the hp you want, but no defense means every point of vit means less. You may live for 2 hits with vit, but you will last no less time with the defense you should be increasing. But thats what shards are for b:pleased
    I'm too lazy to explain how much all your posts have been fail.
  • Nightfaii - Harshlands
    Nightfaii - Harshlands Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    lol vit gives hp regen, if you put on 200 vit, you will get full hp faster even though you have more total hp to get. If you put 10 vit, you will have less hp AND a longer regen time.

    You will heal faster by putting vit. period


    obessed, its because you cant

    A character with 100 max hp and 10,000 defense will die easy
    Same for a character with 10,000 hp and 100 defense.

    The strongest possible build is evenly distributed hp and defense.... not exactly 5k each in PW, but you get the idea.
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  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    lol vit gives hp regen, if you put on 200 vit, you will get full hp faster even though you have more total hp to get. If you put 10 vit, you will have less hp AND a longer regen time.

    You will heal faster by putting vit. period


    obessed, its because you cant
    For one I can say the reverse of what you stated.
    You can have all the hp you want, but no defense means every point of vit means less.
    You can have all the defense you want, but low HP makes it mean less.
    Niether of which statements are fully true to their own right.
    but you will last no less time with the defense you should be increasing
    Who decides what defense you should be increasing? You do know Robes do provide -some- defense and High magic defense? The only way to be increasing it would be to switch armor type(therefor sacrificing magic defense AND hp[from the lack of vit]) or pump STR(Lololololol) oh and shards(and its been well discussed hp shards are the most useful)

    Vit/robe is a viable pvp build and works well(better then LA imho) *waves to Puma*
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    venomous scarab is not all its cracked up to be. The attack just sucks. A caster will find that any other skill besides blazing is more worth the time around levels 45+ I recommend getting it to 9 and stopping there. By then you get lucky scarab soon, and that skill is a great fill-in for your other casts.

    eventually, ironwood debuff + physical attacks do more damage than venomous scarab will ever do in the same time
    Omg just realized you're the person who said this. I'm done responding to you.
  • Nightfaii - Harshlands
    Nightfaii - Harshlands Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Go ahead and spam your venomous at 91! Your 100% base attack + 999.6 or whatever damage is not even close to as strong as your physical damage in the same amount of time. There is a point where venomous becomes useless. How did you get your level?
    Im not saying use your physical attacks, im saying venomous is not as useful as everybody says. not even close
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  • Nightfaii - Harshlands
    Nightfaii - Harshlands Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    For one I can say the reverse of what you stated..

    You cant, and you wont try.
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Niether of which statements are fully true to their own right.

    Your probably 13 years old, because your arguements are amazing. Anything to back that up or you just like to speak from your ***??
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Who decides what defense you should be increasing? You do know Robes do provide -some- defense and High magic defense? The only way to be increasing it would be to switch armor type(therefor sacrificing magic defense AND hp[from the lack of vit]) or pump STR(Lololololol) oh and shards(and its been well discussed hp shards are the most useful)

    Oh i see, give up on defense because there are too many choices. You cant handle it b:cry HP must be your fix for everything then.
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  • Int - Heavens Tear
    Int - Heavens Tear Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    Go ahead and spam your venomous at 91! Your 100% base attack + 999.6 or whatever damage is not even close to as strong as your physical damage in the same amount of time. There is a point where venomous becomes useless. How did you get your level?
    Im not saying use your physical attacks, im saying venomous is not as useful as everybody says. not even close
    Base attack is rather high at those levels with TT90 weapons *drools* and is still much more efficient then swapping then smacking the mob with your weapon(and if you were suggesting to switch to foxform is even dumber, because of the mp loss, and cooldown[plus not everyones a hybrid])

    Also demon version:
    100% of weapon damage plus 2534.0.
    You cant, and you wont try.
    They did.

    Your line: You can have all the hp you want, but no defense means every point of vit means less.
    Her line: You can have all the defense you want, but low HP makes it mean less.
    Your probably 13 years old, because your arguements are amazing. Anything to back that up or you just like to speak from your ***??
    Attacking someones age(one who left the thread) without any defense of your own? I also do believe the quote you cited of theirs was completly true. What are YOU ****, 16, 20? It's irrelivent. Though I would trust a level 91's judgment over a 49 with 9 posts.


    Long time reader, wasting my first post on your arrogance. b:sweat
  • Byno - Sanctuary
    Byno - Sanctuary Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    Go ahead and spam your venomous at 91! Your 100% base attack + 999.6 or whatever damage is not even close to as strong as your physical damage in the same amount of time. There is a point where venomous becomes useless. How did you get your level?
    Im not saying use your physical attacks, im saying venomous is not as useful as everybody says. not even close

    I'll spam venomous all I want, cause you know what? That 30% wood defense reduction that demon venomous gives is nice. It's very, very nice.

    Besides, what else should I be using while ironwood and lucky are on cooldown? Throw a frost scarab and waste a spark, throw a blazing scarab for a spell that takes 30 seconds to even do full damage? Nah. I'll stick with venomous.
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  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Nightfaii - Harshlands wrote: »
    Go ahead and spam your venomous at 91! Your 100% base attack + 999.6 or whatever damage is not even close to as strong as your physical damage in the same amount of time. There is a point where venomous becomes useless. How did you get your level?
    Im not saying use your physical attacks, im saying venomous is not as useful as everybody says. not even close
    It's called efficency, its low mana cost makes up for lack of damage. Other spells hit harder but are unessicary and wasteful on normal grinding. And as mentioned above, skills have cooldowns, your gonna use it while waiting around.

    As for normal attacks:
    level 90 robe veno: 8k matk, 1k patk (very roughly)[a 90+robe veno can correct this, blind guess]
    Not to mention players are usually at a range, so would waste time running next to the enemy.

    Also demon venomous ftw.
    --- Post 2, why'd you double post ---

    I did, as Int explained.

    What does age have anything to do with this discussion, not to mention by bringing it up and only makes yourself look lower, you didnt even respond to anything.

    Give up on defense? Your last statment makes absolutly no sense. It's been well discussed about 100 times on veno forums alone, that using HP has more benefits in pvp then defense shards, this isnt me rambling out my StarStarStar. By the way, I'm a heavy armor build, I was just defending the viabilty of a vit/robe build.(Oh and even as a Heavy, venomous > normal attacks)
  • fractuedpixel
    fractuedpixel Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Interesting thread, as a full int robe veno at lvl 43 I can say that even then the venomous scarab is a mainstay in my macro for general grinding. I might not do as much initial damage as ironwood but the short cool down can throw 2 of them in the time of 1 ironwood making for almost equal damage.

    I find that if using the blazing scarab is a good opener for mobs weak to fire and then kill it off while the DoT is dealing damage as you cast your other spells. Other than that its not as useful due to longer cool down :(

    Can't wait to get to the higher lvls to see what kind of damage the other spells do lol...got a long ways to go.
  • Mezzy - Lost City
    Mezzy - Lost City Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I chose to do go almost full con levelling up, just to make HH easier. b:chuckle
    Plus it was cheaper to restat later on since most of my points were in vit.
    I've restatted to heavy robe mix now and it's pretty nice for pvp.

    Later...some day.. I'd like to go full int o:
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