Veno's are overpowered? No.

Loltank - Harshlands
Loltank - Harshlands Posts: 747 Arc User
edited April 2009 in General Discussion
Here's why:

They have 2 cash shop pets, Herc and Phoenix.

Of the two, the only one that you should care about on a PvE server is Herc.
On a PvP server, Phoenix.


Here's the breakdown:

To those bitching about the Herc, shut up. How is a class being able to solo TT harming you? EVEN IF they make a ton of cash, how in the world does that affect you? At worst, they have more cash than you; they've already proven that with the herc anyway, so what's the problem there? And at best(for you) they farm and sell SOOOO many mats that server-wide TT mats drop in price because they've flooded the market. Aren't you lucky.

To those bitching about the Phoenix, you have a bit more of a leg to stand on; however, it's important to note that it isn't the 'nix that's overpowered, but the flesh ream. Nixes on their own are pretty fragile when you're not stun-locked and glitched to death. Honestly, if you have any complaints, direct them at the GMs, not the Venos. Hell, if tiger form barbs had the same glitch, you'd all use it as well.

In short, quit yer bitching, things aren't as bad as you think, and if you want something done, complain to people who control it.


EDIT: ****ING HELL I"M AN IDIOT. AN APOSTROPHE? THERE? OMFG...
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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    You forgot to mention that venos ADD the bugged skill to the pet with the intention of BUG EXPLOIT, yes it is overpowered.
    I can easily kill any robe-light armor with very very few exceptions and they cant even get close to me, if that's not OP then I dont know what is.
    Kill enemy with pve damage @ pvp + safe distance + 10 m/s pet doing the skill = overpowered.
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  • Foxy_licious - Heavens Tear
    Foxy_licious - Heavens Tear Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    NG HELL I"M AN IDIOT. AN APOSTROPHE? THERE? OMFG...
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  • Orenji - Heavens Tear
    Orenji - Heavens Tear Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Why the heck do people keep starting these idiot threads, let it die and rot in hell.. **** sakes.. imo its perfectly fine that 1 class can solo TTs and w/e not everyone wants to find a team with snotty members to spend xx hours doing a bloody run. The bleed is bugged end of story, if your a veno you will have dif opinion, if mage skills didnt have dmg reduction in pvp then everyone would qq about it and some ignorant mages would say its not a bug its the way its suppose to be. Get over it and wait until its fixed or devs find some solution to to make people stop crying.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Why the heck do people keep starting these idiot threads, let it die and rot in hell.. **** sakes.. imo its perfectly fine that 1 class can solo TTs and w/e not everyone wants to find a team with snotty members to spend xx hours doing a bloody run. The bleed is bugged end of story, if your a veno you will have dif opinion, if mage skills didnt have dmg reduction in pvp then everyone would qq about it and some ignorant mages would say its not a bug its the way its suppose to be. Get over it and wait until its fixed or devs find some solution to to make people stop crying.
    I'm a veno and do think it's bugged, but as no DEV or GM has ever stated such, i'm starting to question if it is bugged at all. One would think that by now, in all the threads with this topic, that at the least ONE GM somewhere would have said it at the least that 'it looks like a error in the skill and we ask you not to add it to your pets'.

    Nothing even remotely close to that has ever been said by the GM's or DEV's so... while I think it IS bugged, is it?

    ~S
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    You forgot to mention that venos ADD the bugged skill to the pet with the intention of BUG EXPLOIT, yes it is overpowered.
    I can easily kill any robe-light armor with very very few exceptions and they cant even get close to me, if that's not OP then I dont know what is.
    Kill enemy with pve damage @ pvp + safe distance + 10 m/s pet doing the skill = overpowered.

    It's only "Bug Exploit" once a GM or Dev comes out and says it is a bug, and a GM stating they are "looking into the issue" isn't the same.
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  • Orenji - Heavens Tear
    Orenji - Heavens Tear Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I'm a veno and do think it's bugged, but as no DEV or GM has ever stated such, i'm starting to question if it is bugged at all. One would think that by now, in all the threads with this topic, that at the least ONE GM somewhere would have said it at the least that 'it looks like a error in the skill and we ask you not to add it to your pets'.

    Nothing even remotely close to that has ever been said by the GM's or DEV's so... while I think it IS bugged, is it?

    ~S
    i do recall GM posting something on the matter saying that something will eventually be done about it, im not gona search forums for it how ever.. was a long time ago =.=. I also heard it's nerfed on another version of the game, theres reduction in dmg on ground targets.
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The genie (probably cashshop) skill counteracts bleeding. So it's like a fix, but better, it's a fix only for people who pay for it.b:chuckle
  • Orenji - Heavens Tear
    Orenji - Heavens Tear Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The genie (probably cashshop) skill counteracts bleeding. So it's like a fix, but better, it's a fix only for people who pay for it.b:chuckle
    I heard ppl on the CN server still QQing about b:laugh
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The genie (probably cashshop) skill counteracts bleeding. So it's like a fix, but better, it's a fix only for people who pay for it.b:chuckle

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  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Venos are so OP. I find great pleasure in knowing I can do things at 66 that other classes at 90 are just beggining to be able to do! =D
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Venos are so OP. I find great pleasure in knowing I can solo someting at 66 that other classes at 90 are just beggining to be able to do! =D
    rofl. lame comparison Lit. Wizzies don't have a tank to take the damage, they have to take it themselves. Better to compare a Veno with a Herc, to a Barb/Cleric combo. I'm wagering the Barb/Cleric combo would be able to do the same or be danged close to it.

    The big difference is, Veno's are a Barb/Cleric combo by themselves. We are a class designed to solo. We are not actually over powered for what we are designed to do, not even with the Herc. However, we do what we are designed to do very well.

    Also as was mentioned many times before, killing mobs 20+ levels above yourself is an utter waste of time. It takes you longer to kill them, for less XP than had you done so against mobs around your level.

    I've also seen wizzies of comparable level to you killing mobs in the 90's or better as well. Does that make a 66 Wizzie OP to be able to do that? Nope, just means they are fighting to their strengths. I.E they are tanking down a magic caster type mob with their resists and skills just as a Herc tanks down mobs with it's resists and skills.

    YOU try that w/o a Herc or Nix, and then you will have bragging rights, till then... you don't have them at all.

    ~S
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    rofl. lame comparison Lit. Wizzies don't have a tank to take the damage, they have to take it themselves. Better to compare a Veno with a Herc, to a Barb/Cleric combo. I'm wagering the Barb/Cleric combo would be able to do the same or be danged close to it.

    The big difference is, Veno's are a Barb/Cleric combo by themselves. We are a class designed to solo. We are not actually over powered for what we are designed to do, not even with the Herc. However, we do what we are designed to do very well.

    Also as was mentioned many times before, killing mobs 20+ levels above yourself is an utter waste of time. It takes you longer to kill them, for less XP than had you done so against mobs around your level.

    I've also seen wizzies of comparable level to you killing mobs in the 90's or better as well. Does that make a 66 Wizzie OP to be able to do that? Nope, just means they are fighting to their strengths. I.E they are tanking down a magic caster type mob with their resists and skills just as a Herc tanks down mobs with it's resists and skills.

    YOU try that w/o a Herc or Nix, and then you will have bragging rights, till then... you don't have them at all.

    ~S

    Barb/Cleric combo is a lot better than Veno w/Herc. Venos can't buff or purify their pet.b:chuckle
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Barb/Cleric combo is a lot better than Veno w/Herc. Venos can't buff or purify their pet.b:chuckle

    Yes Veno's cant.


    But Barbarians have to pay for repairs, and clerics the mana they use. Only difference is the drops are split 2 ways instead of 1.


    If you add up a Barbarians repair bills from 1-90 you get pretty close to being able to buy a Herc, or Pheonix.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Yes Veno's cant.


    But Barbarians have to pay for repairs, and clerics the mana they use. Only difference is the drops are split 2 ways instead of 1.


    If you add up a Barbarians repair bills from 1-90 you get pretty close to being able to buy a Herc, or Pheonix.

    If you have fun while doing that, then it doesn't matter.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    But Barbarians have to pay for repairs, and clerics the mana they use. Only difference is the drops are split 2 ways instead of 1.
    I have a veno. I also have a barb+cleric combo I play together (barb on desktop, cleric on laptop casting heals and occasional DD). It's a pain running both simultaneously so I don't do it often, but the barb+cleric combo is more effective. Yes their drops are split 2-ways, but they kill faster than the veno does alone (if the cleric DD's), and their fights are much safer (else I wouldn't be able to play both at once).

    If I were recommending classes to a bf/gf or husband/wife team who will always play together, there is no contest. Go with barb + cleric instead of 2 venos.
    If you add up a Barbarians repair bills from 1-90 you get pretty close to being able to buy a Herc, or Pheonix.
    citation needed

    And don't forget to account for the Veno's repair bills, pet food bills, pet bag expansion bills, and pet skill upgrade bills from 1-90 in your analysis. Though I have to wonder what good getting a herc or phoenix at level 90 will do you, when you've already leveled past most of the game's content.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    citation needed

    And don't forget to account for the Veno's repair bills, pet food bills, pet bag expansion bills, and pet skill upgrade bills from 1-90 in your analysis. Though I have to wonder what good getting a herc or phoenix at level 90 will do you, when you've already leveled past most of the game's content.

    Cost of a Herc or a Phoenix alone, including 6 months of playing with one, is going to run anywhere from ~26 million to ~31 million.


    ~5.4m for Arcane Tomes alone (unless you can get one of the permanents tomes available in game from another player)

    ~215k to buy enough hay/meat to get the herc/phoenix from 150 to 999 loyalty
    ~250k to buy enough hay/meat to get the herc/phoenix from 0 to 999 loyalty

    Herc:
    +100k to buy a forget scroll
    +300k to buy a bash scroll
    +800k to buy 4 pet skill upgrade scrolls\
    1.2m

    Phoenix:
    same as herc -100k for the forget scroll
    1.1m


    So, ~27m-~32m for 6 months of playing with a Herc/Phoenix including the cost to get one, and getting it new skills and upgrading them.


    That does not, however, include the cost of upgrading/buying new skills for the Venomancer or paying for her repair bills or buying new armor and gear when needed.


    Upgrading the cages to a max with a Super Cage would run 1.4m minimum at a base of 100k/gold. 1.2m if they do the hay/fruit quests, ~1m if they do the hay/fruit/fungus quests


    So, a base of


    ~28-34m not including the venomancers own cost of skills/upgrades/gear.
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  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited April 2009

    citation needed
    And don't forget to account for the Veno's repair bills, pet food bills, pet bag expansion bills, and pet skill upgrade bills from 1-90 in your analysis. Though I have to wonder what good getting a herc or phoenix at level 90 will do you, when you've already leveled past most of the game's content.

    Repair bills are nothing. I can go without repair for atleast a week and its only 40-80k at the end of the week. Pet skills on a herc/nix is a 1 time thing for the most part. I got my bash on herc to lv 4 which was 900k. That was a 1 time thing. I also pay about 300k a week to buy the arcane book. Getting gear is no problem...I am leveling too fast to worry about the good stuff. I just have blue +phys with garnet shards in all my stuff. Also, per day I buy 3 esotericas for 70k ea and maybe some oracles. I also spent 700k the day before yesterday on oracles/fruits to get 65 because I was being lazy.

    I have NEVER used real $ in the cash shop other than for getting a herc. When I can slow down leveling at like 85+ and have time to farm, I'm gonna be rich.

    Bottom line, money is no problem for a veno.
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    OMG, not another thread about the big, bad veno and her pretty bird again?! you guys really have too much time on your hands...
    whats funny to me is that my kowlin has the same fleshream, and i dont hear anyone screaming that kowlins be 'debugged'. for that matter, i had a wiz and a barb(same level as me) challenge me to a duel the other day, and i wiped them both out, once with my crabby, then again without. and crabby doesnt have the big, bad fleshream.

    so guys, stop freaking over the bird...the veno is the one who has the real moves!

    what it all adds up to is venoenvy, as so neatly put by a fellow poster! ^0^
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    oh no, the venos have pets b:cry b:cry b:cry
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  • wenh93
    wenh93 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    of course a barb says they arent op... hp ****

    and being stunned by nix and bleed =death(la/robe)

    reason gms dont respond to these threads is because nix/hercs=$$ for them and they cant do jack about it as well b:bye
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Repair bills are nothing. I can go without repair for atleast a week and its only 40-80k at the end of the week. Pet skills on a herc/nix is a 1 time thing for the most part. I got my bash on herc to lv 4 which was 900k. That was a 1 time thing. I also pay about 300k a week to buy the arcane book. Getting gear is no problem...I am leveling too fast to worry about the good stuff. I just have blue +phys with garnet shards in all my stuff. Also, per day I buy 3 esotericas for 70k ea and maybe some oracles. I also spent 700k the day before yesterday on oracles/fruits to get 65 because I was being lazy.

    I have NEVER used real $ in the cash shop other than for getting a herc. When I can slow down leveling at like 85+ and have time to farm, I'm gonna be rich.
    That's all well and good, but the comparison being made here was saving enough money to get a herc at level 90. Your pet skill and food costs are gonna be a lot higher without a herc or phoenix from levels 1-90. If you bought the herc at (say) level 50, then the comparison would have to be to a barb's repair costs from levels 1-50, which I highly doubt are 20 million.
    Bottom line, money is no problem for a veno.
    I'll repeat: The vast majority of venos I know don't have a herc, don't have a phoenix, and are broke. Just because some venos don't have money problems doesn't necessarily mean anything about the veno class. Correlation does not imply causation. It could just be that the people who are determined enough to grind for hours to make money tend to play venos since venos don't have to futz around with finding a group to grind.
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Not impressed. Lord of Percussion in solo mode is easy. Easier than an FB49 boss no less.

    Nobody cares anyway Lit because your doing that with a herc. Do it with an Ant or Wolf and peeps might be impressed.

    My Herc and I were doing LoP and TT 1-1, 1-2 at lvl 55.

    Nice try, but seriously, fail.

    ~S
  • Naku - Lost City
    Naku - Lost City Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Lol, you do know people arn't stupid right? we can tell right away that's a solo LoP, what's next?
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Seriously what was the point in Lit's screenshot.
    Nothing impressive of a lvl 66 herc doing LoP solo mode.

    I did him at 63, with a Golem, as a LA build...


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  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Not impressed. Lord of Percussion in solo mode is easy. Easier than an FB49 boss no less.

    Nobody cares anyway Lit because your doing that with a herc. Do it with an Ant or Wolf and peeps might be impressed.

    My Herc and I were doing LoP and TT 1-1, 1-2 at lvl 55.

    Nice try, but seriously, fail.

    ~S


    So what? they are gonna keep thinking veno is super OP. Theres gonna be 10 new threads about it tomorrow. I wanna give em something to hate because not every class can even get past the reg mobs. hahah Lol!1!1 b:victory
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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  • Naku - Lost City
    Naku - Lost City Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    slurrrr..... babiiiiieessss...... :Q~
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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