can u run 2 games at once??

bundybear
bundybear Posts: 2 Arc User
edited April 2009 in General Discussion
as it sais can i run two games and two accounts at once, so i can run 2 chars on the same comp? when i try i cant update the second client
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    bundybear wrote: »
    as it sais can i run two games and two accounts at once, so i can run 2 chars on the same comp? when i try i cant update the second client

    One client per computer.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=1406881&postcount=5
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  • Salvia - Heavens Tear
    Salvia - Heavens Tear Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    No, you can't have two clients open at the same time on the same computer.
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  • bundybear
    bundybear Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    well that sux is there a reason behind that?
  • Mr_jingle - Sanctuary
    Mr_jingle - Sanctuary Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Prevents bot spam for one computer so that's why only one client per computer.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    bundybear wrote: »
    well that sux is there a reason behind that?

    Because they said so. b:victory


    Beyond that, who knows. Could be any number of reasons.
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  • Salvia - Heavens Tear
    Salvia - Heavens Tear Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    shnuggles wrote:
    Additionally, running more than one client on one pc would require a modification to the client (or otherwise on the pc) which we state in the terms of service that action is not allowed. Best way to explain it would be that the majority of people doing this are either gold farmers, cheaters (bypassing the normal ebb and flow of the game client to make an advantage for themselves), or botters. All of the previously listed are against the Terms of Service that you all agreed to when creating the account. So basically, play fair and your community will be much more fun to play the games in.

    That pretty much sums it up.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    You can set up virtual machine inside your primary OS and run the second instance from there.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can set up virtual machine inside your primary OS and run the second instance from there.

    And you would still be breaking the ToS.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And you would still be breaking the ToS.

    Yes, you should do the right thing and turn yourself in.b:victory
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, you should do the right thing and turn yourself in.b:victory


    They will eventually figure it out, and ban them.
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  • Matt_ - Sanctuary
    Matt_ - Sanctuary Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    get 2 pcs and install pw on both b:victory
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  • Fedxp - Lost City
    Fedxp - Lost City Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Of course you can run two clients at once....



    ....Get two computers, and PRESTO!


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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I imagine there is away you can run two clients at once as I play another game where I do this all I do is copy and paste the .exe over to the other client.It is pefectly fine in that game to have 2 clients running at once especially for trading if you have more than one account.You couldn't do this with just one account in this game it would be nice if all char had accesss to the safe.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    They will eventually figure it out, and ban them.

    That's the point, it's not possible to distinguish dual instance on virtual machine or 2 computers side by side and different people sharing access point (like in colleges) from server side. Networking is not magic, certain things cannot be done.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's the point, it's not possible to distinguish dual instance on virtual machine or 2 computers side by side and different people sharing access point (like in colleges) from server side. Networking is not magic, certain things cannot be done.

    Is there even a virtual machine program that can even run this game?
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's the point, it's not possible to distinguish dual instance on virtual machine or 2 computers side by side and different people sharing access point (like in colleges) from server side. Networking is not magic, certain things cannot be done.
    Actually there is. The client sends machine specific information... I.E. windows Hardware ID's No two machines on a network are ever likely to have identical hardware ID's so a machine running the client under virtual machine will have identical hardware ID's as the client not running under VM making them easily detectable.

    ~S
  • Agravain - Heavens Tear
    Agravain - Heavens Tear Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Can't believe anyone would want to... There is no legitimate reason to run 2 chars from 1 computer. No way you can actually play 2 chars at the same time. The only reason to try this would be to make a cleric bot or other slaved char to give you an unfair advantage. They can check and probably do very easily and often.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Can't believe anyone would want to... There is no legitimate reason to run 2 chars from 1 computer. No way you can actually play 2 chars at the same time. The only reason to try this would be to make a cleric bot or other slaved char to give you an unfair advantage. They can check and probably do very easily and often.

    A lot of people have, say a desktop and laptop. And that, they can't check for. It'll be easier than setting up VM anyway.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A lot of people have, say a desktop and laptop. And that, they can't check for. It'll be easier than setting up VM anyway.
    They don't care if you have 5 PC's networked through the same router, as long as it is 5 PC's and not 1 PC running 5 clients.

    My g/f and I have 3 PC's networked and running PWI sometimes. Her account on her machine, my account on my machine and a third account running a shop on our laptop.

    ~S
  • dieho
    dieho Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can set up virtual machine inside your primary OS and run the second instance from there.

    i believe that posting how to break the tos is against the tos. banhammer time.
  • Agravain - Heavens Tear
    Agravain - Heavens Tear Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    totally legit to run on separate computers... as long as one is not running a bot. I am sooooo tempted to run out and buy a cheap azz computer to run a shop on.... but I got a veno with herc, who needs more gold.
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  • dieho
    dieho Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's the point, it's not possible to distinguish dual instance on virtual machine or 2 computers side by side and different people sharing access point (like in colleges) from server side. Networking is not magic, certain things cannot be done.



    its called a mac address every network card has one and it is encoded in every packet sent. anyone with 5 minutes of computer knowledge could break down a packet and get the source address. if 2 accounts have the same address at the same time its dual clienting. no exceptions. no possibility of errors. no crying after you get banned for cheating.
  • kooshdin
    kooshdin Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Can't believe anyone would want to... There is no legitimate reason to run 2 chars from 1 computer. No way you can actually play 2 chars at the same time. The only reason to try this would be to make a cleric bot or other slaved char to give you an unfair advantage. They can check and probably do very easily and often.



    This is not true. Anyone who has to run a shop for a living could use a second account for playing an alt while his store sells on his main. This is onky allowed though if you have two computers ...
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    kooshdin wrote: »
    This is not true. Anyone who has to run a shop for a living could use a second account for playing an alt while his store sells on his main. This is onky allowed though if you have two computers ...

    That isn't a legitimate reason for doing so on one computer which is what he said: from a single computer.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    dieho wrote: »
    its called a mac address every network card has one and it is encoded in every packet sent. anyone with 5 minutes of computer knowledge could break down a packet and get the source address. if 2 accounts have the same address at the same time its dual clienting. no exceptions. no possibility of errors. no crying after you get banned for cheating.

    That's already covered. MAC can be changed by software easily. Not to mention most desktop motherboards those days have 2 onboard ethernet adapters. Then there is if you're behind routers and the original not get passed on. The networking part is a non-issue.

    What I missed was the hardware ID part, if the client does check for it. The ID could be anything, really... It's a loose term. Disk volume info can be easily forged, bios, not so much. If it's an artificially generated code from total hardware, like Windows does, it's also easily changed by selectively disabling nonessential components in vm.

    In any case, 2 computers work better for any purpose that involves two characters anyway. No reason to jump through hoops just to run it on one machine.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's already covered. MAC can be changed by software easily. Not to mention most desktop motherboards those days have 2 onboard ethernet adapters. Then there is if you're behind routers and the original not get passed on. The networking part is a non-issue.

    What I missed was the hardware ID part, if the client does check for it. The ID could be anything, really... It's a loose term. Disk volume info can be easily forged, bios, not so much. If it's an artificially generated code from total hardware, like Windows does, it's also easily changed by selectively disabling nonessential components in vm.

    In any case, 2 computers work better for any purpose that involves two characters anyway. No reason to jump through hoops just to run it on one machine.
    Hardware ID can be simply a query of Processor ID, Motherboard ID and Ethernet Card ID. Not generally worth the effort to mess with as you said.

    ~S
  • Agravain - Heavens Tear
    Agravain - Heavens Tear Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That isn't a legitimate reason for doing so on one computer which is what he said: from a single computer.

    I see his point though. If you are merely running a shop on one well playing the other it would not give you a cheating advantage. However, PWi does not differentiate and perhaps that means they cannot tell the difference between shop and player, or that they have decided that to allow this would open a can of worms that is best sealed tight.
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  • Kealani - Heavens Tear
    Kealani - Heavens Tear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Can't believe anyone would want to... There is no legitimate reason to run 2 chars from 1 computer. No way you can actually play 2 chars at the same time. The only reason to try this would be to make a cleric bot or other slaved char to give you an unfair advantage. They can check and probably do very easily and often.

    Have a cat shop set up on a alt while playing your main character normally.


    Edit: and of course,I late with bringing that up x.x
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kealani - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Have a cat shop set up on a alt while playing your main character normally.


    Edit: and of course,I late with bringing that up x.x

    Not a legitmate reason to do so from a single computer.
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  • Kamarile - Dreamweaver
    Kamarile - Dreamweaver Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Agravain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Can't believe anyone would want to... There is no legitimate reason to run 2 chars from 1 computer. No way you can actually play 2 chars at the same time. The only reason to try this would be to make a cleric bot or other slaved char to give you an unfair advantage. They can check and probably do very easily and often.

    LOL. Cat shop while playing your main... how about that?

    Edit: Damn, someone answered exactly the same just before I did....

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