Phoenix Starting info

sakuradaidouji
sakuradaidouji Posts: 32 Arc User
edited April 2009 in General Discussion
what exactly is a baby Blazing Phoenix's starting stats/skills? i want level 1 info on this. my main priority is the skills, so if that's all the info i get, that suits me fine.

EDIT: wow.... thanks for all the info there. especially the picture of its stat window. very helpful! also, a small note.. Flesh Ream is base damage + the % of your pet's base damage. so, at first, flesh ream is better.. but due to the cool down, you can do more damage(about 25-33% more) but, im not a pvp kind of person, so i've decided to just get a Hercules, and then use it to get money in order to buy a phoenix later. sure, he;s an ugly little thing... but hey, at least he can be used in dungeons, which is unfair for the phoenix...
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  • Plicid - Heavens Tear
    Plicid - Heavens Tear Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    not sure about its lvl 1 stats(It doesnt stay that way for long anyway. It has Full growth on all stats though.

    Its starting skills are Pounce(lvl2 Max): 80% chance to stun, if stunned increase attack rate by 25% for 14 seconds
    Blessing of the Pack(Max lvl) + 30% Hp
    Claw(Max lvl) +30% attack.
    No reason to ever get rid of these skills you just have to choose a 4th. Most popular is Flesh Ream. Not only for PvP bug but also because it is better DPS than Bash in PvE too.
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk246/luminatingheart/Perfect%20World/phoenix.jpg
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  • dekciw
    dekciw Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    baby Blazing Phoenix's?

    More like QQbird.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Plicid - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No reason to ever get rid of these skills you just have to choose a 4th. Most popular is Flesh Ream. Not only for PvP bug but also because it is better DPS than Bash in PvE too.

    Ah you wish flesh ream was better. I've tested it. My phoenix with bash killed 2-3 times faster than birds with flesh ream. Plus, my bash kills in pvp just fine. Flesh ream is bugged, not working properly, a cowards way to fight, something only the weakest venos of all use.
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Plicid - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Most popular is Flesh Ream. Not only for PvP bug but also because it is better DPS than Bash in PvE too.

    To be more specific than Zoe, at skill level 5 both Flesh Ream & Bash do 200% of pets base damage. Flesh Reams is spread out over time, but it does the same damage none-the-less. However, the signifigant difference, is the recast timers, Bash is 8 seconds, while Flesh Ream is 15 seconds. As such, Bash can do signifigantly more damage in PvE then Flesh Ream can, simply because it is applied much more often.

    Of course because of the PvP bug on Flesh Ream not being reduced for PvP damage, it obviously outclasses Bash in PvP.

    Anyone getting Flesh Ream on the Pheonix instead of Bash (99.99% of the Pheonix weilding Veno population) are getting it for PvP benefit, don't believe otherwise.
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ah you wish flesh ream was better. I've tested it. My phoenix with bash killed 2-3 times faster than birds with flesh ream. Plus, my bash kills in pvp just fine. Flesh ream is bugged, not working properly, a cowards way to fight, something only the weakest venos of all use.

    Seriously Zoe...flesh ream is used by probably 99% of venos who pvp. Since you are the only one who doesn't, does that mean that you're the only non-coward veno?

    Yes, I bet bash works great. Nix does a lot of damage, and bash makes it do more, and I would probably switch to that if they fish flesh ream, but for now, I'll stick with my bugged skill
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  • Plicid - Heavens Tear
    Plicid - Heavens Tear Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    From back before from when this discussion was in Veno forum
    Peritia - Lost City wrote: »
    Ran the numbers two different ways, here's the results.

    Period: 120 seconds (real number of uses for each)

    Bash: 200% base damage; 8 second cooldown.

    Flesh Ream: Base Damage, plus 200% over 9 seconds; 15 second cooldown.

    Method 1: Examining Skill Effects Only
    Bash
    Uses/Period: 15
    Total Damage: 3000
    Flesh Ream
    Uses/Period: 8
    Total Damage: 2400

    Method 2: Examining EXTRA Damage dealt
    Bash: 100% extra damage
    Uses/Period: 15
    Total Damage: 1500
    Flesh Ream: 200% extra damage
    Uses/Period: 8
    Total Damage: 1600

    Make what you will of it.

    If this is true it means until genies come out Flesh Ream is strictly better than Bash. This may change when Genies are released, but I will still use Flesh Ream for its PvE uses.
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    holy freaking crow!!!! no wonder people almost sell their souls to get one of these, and others hate them so much! i had no idea the stats wheel was like this!

    on the moves- im glad to know about the diff in cooldown. my kowlin has both, but somehow i always have used the fleshream more, because it seemed to finish off the mob faster than the bash. now i have to look at the stats again.

    Maiya - Lost City wrote: »
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    It is not strickly better when bash does its damage upfront and fleshream over the course of 9 seconds.

    If the mob is killed before those 9 seconds are up then fleshream was not 100% utilized while the same is not true for bash.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It is not strickly better when bash does its damage upfront and fleshream over the course of 9 seconds.

    If the mob is killed before those 9 seconds are up then fleshream was not 100% utilized while the same is not true for bash.

    Good Point. I've been considering switching my Nix's skills out some. Dumping Pounce and going with Bash and Flesh Ream both.

    I can't wait to see the QQ over that. Nix hit with Bash then cycle through on Flesh Ream manually. LMAO now THAT will be over powered. Even barbs will be going 'oh man that HURT'.


    ....... hmmmm come to think about it. I LIKE that idea a lot.

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  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Good Point. I've been considering switching my Nix's skills out some. Dumping Pounce and going with Bash and Flesh Ream both.

    I can't wait to see the QQ over that. Nix hit with Bash then cycle through on Flesh Ream manually. LMAO now THAT will be over powered. Even barbs will be going 'oh man that HURT'.


    ....... hmmmm come to think about it. I LIKE that idea a lot.

    ~S

    Yeah, I've thought about doing the same thing, except I use the stun so much in pvp. Being able to lock someone up for 5 seconds (2 from lucky scarab, 3 from nix) helps so much. Also, its good for breaking warriors out of their stunlock timing, since they usually only stun one target.
    If I ever get ahold of the rare pet scroll I want I'll probably drop pounce, but I won't do it for bash.
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  • Dioica - Sanctuary
    Dioica - Sanctuary Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It is not strickly better when bash does its damage upfront and fleshream over the course of 9 seconds.

    If the mob is killed before those 9 seconds are up then fleshream was not 100% utilized while the same is not true for bash.

    If a monster had 100 health left and bash did 2000 damage, you were 100% utilizing bash?

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  • Wei - Heavens Tear
    Wei - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ah you wish flesh ream was better. I've tested it. My phoenix with bash killed 2-3 times faster than birds with flesh ream. Plus, my bash kills in pvp just fine. Flesh ream is bugged, not working properly, a cowards way to fight, something only the weakest venos of all use.

    I wonder where people get the info that fleshream is bugged instead of it is working as intended? Because YOU THINK it doing 100% damage in pvp is not intended? Hey, I THINK, dex does everything for archers is bugged. lets ban all these pure dex archers! /sarcasm

    And bash really does more dps than fleshream in pve. If fleshream "bug" ever gets fixed, who'd ever use it over an better/more dps instant damaing skill "bash"? just remove fleshream skill out of the game.b:surrender
  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I wonder where people get the info that fleshream is bugged instead of it is working as intended? Because YOU THINK it doing 100% damage in pvp is not intended? Hey, I THINK, dex does everything for archers is bugged. lets ban all these pure dex archers! /sarcasm

    And bash really does more dps than fleshream in pve. If fleshream "bug" ever gets fixed, who'd ever use it over an better/more dps instant damaing skill "bash"? just remove fleshream skill out of the game.b:surrender

    only if crits have no pvp reduction b:laugh

    and flesh ream can just be rebalanced accordingly when pvp reduction does get applied. im thinking shorter bleed time (so more dmg each tick) and increase overall damage
  • Wei - Heavens Tear
    Wei - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Even with this claimed bug on fleshream, venos are still having trouble beating all those "op" archers on pvp ranking (source: http://pwi.perfectworld.com/rank) I honestly think fleshream is less buggy than dex for archers >.>
    And your fix also buffed venos PvE dps. Last time I checked, venos dont really need buff for pve.
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The pvp rankings doesn't mean ****. The archers might just pk a lot more than the venos or, they kill more lowbies or, they get the finishing blow over a veno friend that pks with them oh oh! maybe they even have way way better gears.

    Point being is you have no way of knowing so bringing that up is pretty useless.

    Edit: Maybe the archers are venos in disguise! Genius if I do say so myself =p.

    Edit 2: lol wait, venos are beating archers in pvp maybe I shoulda checked that first lol.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If a monster had 100 health left and bash did 2000 damage, you were 100% utilizing bash?

    b:question

    Yes


    Consider: if that had been Flesh Ream, it won't be ready to use for another 14-15 seconds while Bash should be ready to go in 7-8 seconds. I cannot remember how many times Flesh Ream ticked on the killing blow, or I had to manually turn it off to prevent it from going off as the killing blow.


    Do you have any idea how annoying it is to have no aggro building ability ready for the next mob so you have to stand their twiddling your thumbs because your first spell will, most likely pull aggro right off the pet?


    I do: and it HURTS.
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  • Wei - Heavens Tear
    Wei - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tatakairyu wrote: »
    The pvp rankings doesn't mean ****. The archers might just pk a lot more than the venos or, they kill more lowbies or, they get the finishing blow over a veno friend that pks with them oh oh! maybe they even have way way better gears.

    Point being is you have no way of knowing so bringing that up is pretty useless.

    Edit: Maybe the archers are venos in disguise! Genius if I do say so myself =p.

    Your point would be valid if they only put 5 players on the list. But there are 50 players on the list each server, the sampling scale isnt that small. Unless you are claiming that the players behind the archers are completely different from those behind venos in general.

    pvp ranking doesnt mean ****? so you mean it is random? show me which server barbs dominating
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    50 is small as hell and also, an archer is more of a pking class than any others. Where'd barbs come in on this? We're talking about venos and archers while venos aren't even considered a pking class and more of a pve class.

    Since when did venos start showing up more on pk ranks? Hmm I wonder.
  • Talinnia - Heavens Tear
    Talinnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tatakairyu wrote: »
    50 is small as hell and also, an archer is more of a pking class than any others. Where'd barbs come in on this? We're talking about venos and archers while venos aren't even considered a pking class and more of a pve class.

    Since when did venos start showing up more on pk ranks? Hmm I wonder.

    So venos aren't allowed to show up on PvP ranking lists above archers? b:puzzled
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Talinnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So venos aren't allowed to show up on PvP ranking lists above archers? b:puzzled


    No idea where you got that from b:shocked.
  • Talinnia - Heavens Tear
    Talinnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tatakairyu wrote: »
    No idea where you got that from b:shocked

    The post I quoted: yours.
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Talinnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The post I quoted: yours.

    Ok I'll repeat myself again lol, again where did you get that from? b:shocked

    You need to read previous posts so you don't take things out of context.
  • Talinnia - Heavens Tear
    Talinnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tatakairyu wrote: »
    Ok I'll repeat myself again lol, again where did you get that from? b:shocked

    You need to read previous posts so you don't take things out of context.

    But I'm asking you about your post, not hers.
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    And my post was a response to hers lol. If you don't read hers, how would you understand mine?
  • Talinnia - Heavens Tear
    Talinnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tatakairyu wrote: »
    And my post was a response to hers lol. If you don't read hers, how would you understand mine?

    I had read hers, and I'm asking you about yours.
  • Wei - Heavens Tear
    Wei - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tatakairyu wrote: »
    50 is small as hell and also, an archer is more of a pking class than any others. Where'd barbs come in on this? We're talking about venos and archers while venos aren't even considered a pking class and more of a pve class.

    Since when did venos start showing up more on pk ranks? Hmm I wonder.

    So you define veno to be a pve class, then they will nerf venos' pvp? you really make sense.
    Also, there are 50 for EACH server. we have a few servers out there if you noticed. And the fact it shows is fairly accurate. archers are on the top, venos only come to the 2nd. but you guys are still qqing about venos being op and want to nerf them. so lets have pk ranking lists with 100% made up of archers. oh the game would be REALLY fun b:surrender
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Err if you still didn't get it by now by the "No idea where you got that from" posts and the not taking things out of context posts. You really need to get some help lol.

    So you don't ask another dumb question again lol I'll answer your question directly.

    My respone to "So venos aren't allowed to show up on PvP ranking lists above archers?" is Yes they are allowed to show up and no I don't care if they do.
  • Wei - Heavens Tear
    Wei - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    and phoenix is a PVP pet. if venos = pve, then venos dont need it. they really should've given it to archers /sarcasm
  • tatakairyu
    tatakairyu Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you define veno to be a pve class, then they will nerf venos' pvp? you really make sense.

    Right back at you lmao, if a veno is second to only archers(according to you archers are op) in pvp and second to no one in pve does that not say something?
    Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Also, there are 50 for EACH server. we have a few servers out there if you noticed. And the fact it shows is fairly accurate. archers are on the top, venos only come to the 2nd. but you guys are still qqing about venos being op and want to nerf them. so lets have pk ranking lists with 100% made up of archers. oh the game would be REALLY fun b:surrender

    50 for each server rofl, yeah ok for how many players? It doesn't show how long they pk for or how they pk, so your point again at being "fairly accurate" is wrong considering those archers could pk 100 times longer than any veno up on the boards.

    No idea where I QQ'd about it though, I was stating facts to prove you wrong while you just go on more assumptions. Who said anything about archers being 100% on the pk list? It'd almost be as fun as a phoenix bleeding a squishy to death b:chuckle.
    Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    and phoenix is a PVP pet. if venos = pve, then venos dont need it. they really should've given it to archers /sarcasm

    A phoenix is the best pet at pvp, it isn't a pvp pet.

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