ANNOUNCEMENT: Adjustments made to PVP Rankings Formula

dvorak
dvorak Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Arigora Colosseum
Howdy Yo:

Just wanted to pass along a morsel of news that the PVP Rankings formula utilized to tabulate our PVP Ranking Charts at:

http://pwi.perfectworld.com/rank

has been tweaked and will affect the current rank order in the next day or two.

This adjustment was deemed necessary in order to counteract several exploits being utilized by dozens of players (the most egregious being the killing of friends repeatedly to boost kill counts). The PVP Rank algorithm has therefore been tweaked (just slightly actually) to not factor in certain exploitative kills.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ooh...very nice, Dvorak! Further proof that the GM's do care about us here, and aren't just some faceless diety, like in other games! b:victory

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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Interested to see the list when the new formula is used.
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  • Arodnur - Lost City
    Arodnur - Lost City Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Maybe it'll remove all these one-shots who farm kills off idiots.

    I still can't believe that worrAthaeD was briefly on that list b:sleep
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  • Nova_ - Harshlands
    Nova_ - Harshlands Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ahh SHET! Now i cant killfarm b:sad WTF GMS!






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  • Wei - Heavens Tear
    Wei - Heavens Tear Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Interesting. But I wonder how this new formula works, compare to the old one. What is considered to be an exploit? I've lost 1k+ kills so far. But I've never farmed kills. Most of my kills were from completely legit tw pvp kills, they were real battles. Other 200-300 kills were from world pvps which were also completely real, really challenging ones. I've never got intrested in killing lowbies ever.
    Weird, hmm?b:thanks
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    LOL @ that. You see how much the rankings changed on harshlands? and the top guy lost over 100 kills. sad
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    woot lost 2/3 of my kills, all were from TWs
  • Nova_ - Harshlands
    Nova_ - Harshlands Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    LOL @ that. You see how much the rankings changed on harshlands? and the top guy lost over 100 kills. sad

    Funny thing is i lost only 20 kills b:victory Yaritai lost like 130 xD
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Hmm I went from 1032 kills down to 692 kills but my overall rank improved drastically from #23 to #15.

    I'm not complaining but I am not complaining although I am not sure what about the 340 kills I lost was not legit. All my kills have come from TW, Dragon Temple, and the cube...

    In any case its hard for me to judge if this has addressed the problem of exploitative kills but I am glad you have at least recognized the problem.

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  • Shamino - Sanctuary
    Shamino - Sanctuary Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Well just by looking at the harshlands pvp table I can guess the change that has been made.

    It seems to have put a cap on the number of times you can kill the same person in a certain period of time (probably somewhere around 3 times per hour).

    Most of the ranking table was only mildly effected by this as there will be some repeated kills in world pk/TW/Dragon temple. Players who farmed lowbie areas suffered a bigger hit as repeated kills is alot higher in those places, and players who farmed friends for pk ranking basically lost all their kills.

    Seems like a fairer system all around though as it encourages targeting different people to build your pk ranking.
  • Bananacream - Dreamweaver
    Bananacream - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Shamino - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well just by looking at the harshlands pvp table I can guess the change that has been made.

    It seems to have put a cap on the number of times you can kill the same person in a certain period of time (probably somewhere around 3 times per hour).

    Most of the ranking table was only mildly effected by this as there will be some repeated kills in world pk/TW/Dragon temple. Players who farmed lowbie areas suffered a bigger hit as repeated kills is alot higher in those places, and players who farmed friends for pk ranking basically lost all their kills.

    Seems like a fairer system all around though as it encourages targeting different people to build your pk ranking.

    yah man seems like they going to use the similar system to keep pvp score that WOW uses. diminishing returns and all that jazz.
  • Xwinterfresh - Heavens Tear
    Xwinterfresh - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Wow there goes 1.2k off my kills >.>
  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Meh.

    MEH.

    Please share this formula. b:angry
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Bananacream - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yah man seems like they going to use the similar system to keep pvp score that WOW uses. diminishing returns and all that jazz.

    Unless they went back to Diminishing Returns for honor on HKs since I stopped playing in early December, it's no longer part of the HK/honor gaining system.
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  • XKIAx - Heavens Tear
    XKIAx - Heavens Tear Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Is there any way to see how many people you have killed? (if you're not in the top 50 list)
  • Byno - Sanctuary
    Byno - Sanctuary Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Aww but GMs I was so close to hitting 1000 :c.
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  • Chaotiic - Lost City
    Chaotiic - Lost City Posts: 498 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Wondering what the new formula is could a gm enlighten us? I mean of those suggested the formulas suck.

    If it is a limit to the number of times u kill a person in a set amount of time this is plain stupid. What about TW when u repeatedly kill certain people i.e. eps healing tanks, makes no sense that you dont get credit for this. What about pk wars 6v6 guildvguild etc where you fight for hours do these not count anymore? This type of formula would be stupid

    If it is a limit on the level range i.e. +/-10 levels although at first look it seems like a good idea at later levels things are more balanced. An 8x with good gear can and do kill 9x and 90-98/80-88 has virtually the same gear and pvp power. Makes no sense that a 92 would get credit for killing and 82 but not an 81 where 81/82 are exactly the same. I would suggest this is a good formula to protect lowbies but 80+ should count no matter what ur level as this is when u have a real chance at killing all levels.
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  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I say leave the damn formula how it was. If you really want to be "that guy" who pads his stats, that's fine. "That guy" usually gets theirs when real pvp people come around anyway.

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  • Sadpuma - Heavens Tear
    Sadpuma - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    totally agree with Defected...

    o.0 did i just say that?!
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'd prefer the new criteria for counting a kill be kept secret so as to avoid exploitation. If the new formula is genuinely better than the old way of counting I am fine with the change.
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  • Pwntmasta - Heavens Tear
    Pwntmasta - Heavens Tear Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    the old formula was secret, apparently some people asked/complained that some people should or shouldn't be on the top board so they made some tweak

    the new formula is still secret how we know that they aren't going to make some new tweak that if you pk a GM you get instant 1k kills ?

    IRONY

    nway who care most people on the top ranking know how to pvp doesn't mean that those who arent on dont know how to.
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    They should also find some way to rank pkers according to the player they kill. That's because it takes no skill at all to kill players who are 30 levels below the pker. This system could give less points for killing lowbies (or zero) and more for killing higher level players.
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  • Pwntmasta - Heavens Tear
    Pwntmasta - Heavens Tear Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    so true Azura

    who knows maybe they are already working on the new formula new factors they are trying to insert are :

    -Current kill = afk barb with no charm
    -Current kill = noob cleric who usually heal the ennemy target b:surrender
    -Current kill = Epic QQer that dropped a hh/mold

    damn i think i should stop posting here b:bye
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Pwntmasta - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    the old formula was secret, apparently some people asked/complained that some people should or shouldn't be on the top board so they made some tweak

    the new formula is still secret how we know that they aren't going to make some new tweak that if you pk a GM you get instant 1k kills ?

    IRONY

    nway who care most people on the top ranking know how to pvp doesn't mean that those who arent on dont know how to.

    That's not irony.


    That's a conspiracy theory.

    You also ignore the first post in the thread where Dvorak said:
    Dvorak wrote: »
    This adjustment was deemed necessary in order to counteract several exploits being utilized by dozens of players (the most egregious being the killing of friends repeatedly to boost kill counts). The PVP Rank algorithm has therefore been tweaked (just slightly actually) to not factor in certain exploitative kills.
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  • Llama - Lost City
    Llama - Lost City Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'm curious because I lost at least 600 kills because of your formula. I never farmed kills off friends. >,> Is there a level gap thing now as well?
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  • Zap - Harshlands
    Zap - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Shamino - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well just by looking at the harshlands pvp table I can guess the change that has been made.

    It seems to have put a cap on the number of times you can kill the same person in a certain period of time (probably somewhere around 3 times per hour).

    Most of the ranking table was only mildly effected by this as there will be some repeated kills in world pk/TW/Dragon temple. Players who farmed lowbie areas suffered a bigger hit as repeated kills is alot higher in those places, and players who farmed friends for pk ranking basically lost all their kills.

    Seems like a fairer system all around though as it encourages targeting different people to build your pk ranking.


    My Kill count stayed the same and i actually got a higher rank b:victory

    Take that you ****ers who cheat b:angry
    Nuff said.
  • Zap - Harshlands
    Zap - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Azura - Lost City wrote: »
    They should also find some way to rank pkers according to the player they kill. That's because it takes no skill at all to kill players who are 30 levels below the pker. This system could give less points for killing lowbies (or zero) and more for killing higher level players.

    I can see it now "WTB level 80+ Cleric for pvp kills" lol

    But really though greta idea xD
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  • XKIAx - Heavens Tear
    XKIAx - Heavens Tear Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    XKIAx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Is there any way to see how many people you have killed? (if you're not in the top 50 list)

    GMs, anyone please? I'd really like to know :P
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    XKIAx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    GMs, anyone please? I'd really like to know :P

    You don't.

    Its about time they changed this. Next they have to forcibly stop high levels from killing low levels at all.
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  • MissEbil - Heavens Tear
    MissEbil - Heavens Tear Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You don't.

    Its about time they changed this. Next they have to forcibly stop high levels from killing low levels at all.

    I suggested a system that punishes people who PK 10 or more levels below them, though a debuff that reduces their stats. This system works well in another MMO and in that, I got my revenge by killing the person who PKed me, cos their attacks and defence where halved.
    Easily added to the redname system. The more red the name, the more affected they are by the debuff.
    Also, I don't think PvP TWs should count, cos its not PK, its TW and your faction is already getting money from it. So yey! Something is being done!
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