Powders vs cleric buffs- GMs please read.

Astrate - Sanctuary
Astrate - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
edited March 2009 in General Discussion
As a dex archer ( 4 dex 1 strength) my mana runs out really fast and the rejuv is really slow so I spend half a day gathering herbs to make myself focus powders along with hp powders ( forgot the name).

Some clerics , with good intentions of course, overbuff my powders and i get a cheap and slow mana and hp rejuv as oppose to my powders. Wasted time, wasted powders, i need to sit for a while in between fights. I am really really annoyed b:angry It happens so often..

Doesn't it make sense that more powerful buffs should not be overbuffed by lesser ones??
I hope you guys fix that because already i spend half a day gathering those herbs so i can grind without spending 2 pots a kill ( imagine you have to kill 50 mobs in a quest, there;s 100 pots there already, do the math $) I really dont want my powders to be overbuffed by weak cleric buffs.
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  • Dicentra - Heavens Tear
    Dicentra - Heavens Tear Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I agree, but I don't think that anyone plans to fix it. When I'm playing my cleric, I check to see if the person has any buffs before I buff. If they already have buffs that are similar to my buffs then I don't buff them. This would be a good thing for others to do too.
  • Elezara - Sanctuary
    Elezara - Sanctuary Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Same here; I ALWAYS check to see if the person has any buffs, and if so, which ones, and I then I ask (if they have some), if they want more buffs ~

    But I do think that the stronger buffs SHOULD over-ride the weaker ones of the same type! It just makes sense ~
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  • Agravain - Heavens Tear
    Agravain - Heavens Tear Posts: 271 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Yes, it definitely makes sense that the stronger buff SHOULD override the lower. It is because of the counter-intuitive nature of the spell that so many clerics do not understand it. I guess I was in the mid 20s when I was told how it worked. Still I find lower lvl clerics over-buff my buffs with their lower. It isn't too much a bother, just an inconvenience, and a chance to train them. The only time I get frustrated is when a cleric doesn't learn. Being a cleric is a lot more mentally taxing than other characters. You don't need to be a genius, but you do have to have an IQ higher than your shoe size.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    How about counting them as different type buffs? Like how Golden Bell and Vanguard both increase p.def, but don't override each other.
  • Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,175 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Astrate - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Some clerics , with good intentions of course, overbuff my powders and i get a cheap and slow mana and hp rejuv as oppose to my powders.

    Level 10 guardians seal costs 476,700 coins to level

    A powder is worth 2k, 50+mp regeneration for 10 mintues (100 meditating)

    A level 10 guardians seal is +10hp +10mana for 30 minutes (20 meditating)
    The party buff lasts 60 minutes.

    Gold spirit charm 350k = 900,000 MP regen

    One focus powder gives around 30k mana In 10min meaning you need 30 powders to equal the 900k mana regen from a charm.
    so 30 powers are like 2k-3k each If you can find cheap herbs.

    so powders save like 290k compared to a charm.. holy **** I been wasting money lol.

    So what I'm trying to say is.. keep getting powders don't buy charms and tell clerics the knack off.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    How about counting them as different type buffs? Like how Golden Bell and Vanguard both increase p.def, but don't override each other.
    that's much more reasonable.

    just to add: I think archers may override dmg absorption powders with a MP recovery spell.
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  • Astrate - Sanctuary
    Astrate - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Level 10 guardians seal costs 476,700 coins to level

    A powder is worth 2k, 50+mp regeneration for 10 mintues (100 meditating)

    A level 10 guardians seal is +10hp +10mana for 30 minutes (20 meditating)
    The party buff lasts 60 minutes.

    Gold spirit charm 350k = 900,000 MP regen

    One focus powder gives around 30k mana In 10min meaning you need 30 powders to equal the 900k mana regen from a charm.
    so 30 powers are like 2k-3k each If you can find cheap herbs.

    so powders save like 290k compared to a charm.. holy **** I been wasting money lol.

    So what I'm trying to say is.. keep getting powders don't buy charms and tell clerics the knack off.

    I farm my herbs i never buy them so the only thing it costs me is my time, that's why I get so pissed when my powders are overbuffed with cleric buffs lol
  • Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear
    Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I don't know why ppl keep syaing this. I often use regen orbs (similar to the powders but 100 per tick) during FB's with clerics bufing me and I still get my 100 regen. All that happens is the icon gets replaced with the cleric buff one but the effect remains just fine.
  • Eliathel - Lost City
    Eliathel - Lost City Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    In the case of focus Powder 50 mp regen clerics buff cancels the buff from focus powder. Dont know how it works with the 100 mp powder though.
    Maybe in the case of fbs/hh works different, who knows.
  • Advent_fox - Sanctuary
    Advent_fox - Sanctuary Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i have a lvl 43 cleric. . and honestly, i just say do what i do, don't buff unless your asked politely for a buff. . it keeps things simple. . your not going out of your way to buff others so you can do your own thing

    and well, basically it prevents people from getting mad b:victory
  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    A topic on this very subject already exists.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=200562
  • Flickerfae - Sanctuary
    Flickerfae - Sanctuary Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Astrate - Sanctuary wrote: »
    As a dex archer ( 4 dex 1 strength) my mana runs out really fast and the rejuv is really slow so I spend half a day gathering herbs to make myself focus powders along with hp powders ( forgot the name).

    Some clerics , with good intentions of course, overbuff my powders and i get a cheap and slow mana and hp rejuv as oppose to my powders. Wasted time, wasted powders, i need to sit for a while in between fights. I am really really annoyed b:angry It happens so often.


    Meep.

    I'm so sorry if it was me that provoked this post. I'm pretty sure I didn't cast the hp-mp regen buff, becuase I saw you had a powder going. But my finger might have slipped, out of habit. :(

    I know what it's like to live or die by powders, and agree that there's definitely something wrong with having weaker buffs override stronger ones, including powders, but also including stronger cleric buffs.
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    There is an easy way to fix this.

    All we got to do is to customize the slogan so we can write anything we want on it. like: "Don't buff me".

    Unless the cleric is just doing it to mess you up, you will not get buff if you don't want to.
  • Ormindo - Heavens Tear
    Ormindo - Heavens Tear Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    The "Don't buff me" thingie is a good, but bad idea.

    Idiots will buff you, others are going to think that you're kiding...

    Easy thing : In game option, accept or deny buffs.
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  • Astrate - Sanctuary
    Astrate - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't know why ppl keep syaing this. I often use regen orbs (similar to the powders but 100 per tick) during FB's with clerics bufing me and I still get my 100 regen. All that happens is the icon gets replaced with the cleric buff one but the effect remains just fine.

    Well, use focus powder and you will feel the difference, with focus powder my mp fills out really fast but when it;s overriden by cleric buff my mp fills up very very slowly, the icons btw look the same.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Personally, I like to think of the "debuff" as just a fair trade for having the other buffs cast on me. As archers, of course, our defense is **** no matter what we're facing and the cleric's def/res buffs are extremely useful. I don't mind using another piece of powder if it means getting these buffs.

    Also, try gathering Realgar and making Jade Powders. For an archer, they basically fill your MP completely and give you 30 seconds of free casting. Also they're pitifully cheap to make at 10 Realgar / 5 Golden Herb to 5 Jade Powder (basically, if you find a piece of Realgar, you have found one Jade Powder). Combine this with economical play (Frost Arrow + Knockback are your friends) and you shouldn't need as many Focus Powders.
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  • Astrate - Sanctuary
    Astrate - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Rainbowvidel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A topic on this very subject already exists.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=200562


    Which makes it even worse...nothing has been done about it yet..and yet again some damn noob cleric overrode my powders..
  • Astrate - Sanctuary
    Astrate - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Personally, I like to think of the "debuff" as just a fair trade for having the other buffs cast on me. As archers, of course, our defense is **** no matter what we're facing and the cleric's def/res buffs are extremely useful. I don't mind using another piece of powder if it means getting these buffs.

    Also, try gathering Realgar and making Jade Powders. For an archer, they basically fill your MP completely and give you 30 seconds of free casting. Also they're pitifully cheap to make at 10 Realgar / 5 Golden Herb to 5 Jade Powder (basically, if you find a piece of Realgar, you have found one Jade Powder). Combine this with economical play (Frost Arrow + Knockback are your friends) and you shouldn't need as many Focus Powders.

    The focus powder keeps my mana full the whole 10 mins..instead of 30 secs I prefer to have peace of mind about it for 10 mins, doesnt matter which herb takes what time to herb still doesnt change the fact that I hate when clerics override my powder. I prefer powder and I dont think that lesser buffs should override it. As for frost arrow etc etc i know how to play my class but thanks anyway.
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I think they put little things like this in the game to benefit their cash shop. =/

    So it won't be "fixed".
  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I think it would be nicer if the Cleric buffs would work WITH the Powders instead.

    However, I hate to say but you take too long to gather mats. It takes me an hour at longest to gather and herbs and make the powders and I am a religious Apothecary.
  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Astrate - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Which makes it even worse... nothing has been done about it yet

    Then they probably have no intention of doing anything about it or they would have by now. The making of another thread won't do any good or speed up the process of fixing it.

    But just to stay on topic, I don't like the debuffs either.

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