How to reduce Lag

weridgod
weridgod Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2009 in General Discussion
I have a couple ideas

1. get rid of the cat shop option

2. GET RID OF THE FREAKING CAT SHOPSb:angryb:angryb:angry



Your opinions please
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  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    limit the number of catshop per zone.. it should suffice
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

    Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.
  • BridgetF - Heavens Tear
    BridgetF - Heavens Tear Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I have another suggestion.

    Stop parking yourself in flying mode at the NPCs! Just dismount your freaking swords, birds, or wings! Moving (or animated) objects are a much, much bigger source of lag than inanimate objects like catshops. Catshops are really the last thing you should think of when it comes to lag.

    People are using the auctioneer, the daily quest NPC, the merchant etc. etc. and are flying all the time. What use is this, apart from making life difficult for the other players in terms of lag?
  • weridgod
    weridgod Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    yeah that was gonna be my real second option but i just hate the cat shops :) but yeah keep them spaces apart should help with the Arch lag but i hear ppl complain about lag all over the server so if u get rid of the cat shops u will decrease the amoutn of ppl online by like 1/3 at some time. I swear i see more Cat shops then ppl
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    All games have vending its a part of MMO gaming. I have played some that are like what Reivi suggest. Where there are squares set in town that you have to set up shop in. 1 per square. Only enoguh squares in town to allow people to sell but not enough to make the game lag for other players.
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  • weridgod
    weridgod Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    limit the number of catshop per zone.. it should suffice
    BridgetF - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have another suggestion.

    Stop parking yourself in flying mode at the NPCs! Just dismount your freaking swords, birds, or wings! Moving (or animated) objects are a much, much bigger source of lag than inanimate objects like catshops. Catshops are really the last thing you should think of when it comes to lag.

    People are using the auctioneer, the daily quest NPC, the merchant etc. etc. and are flying all the time. What use is this, apart from making life difficult for the other players in terms of lag?

    Get out of my head that was my next rant because it is such a pain in the butt to find the person to click on and of course adds to the ENDLESS lag in arch i mean just get of your horse for 5 mins not that hard u hit one freaking button
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    weridgod wrote: »
    Get out of my head that was my next rant because it is such a pain in the butt to find the person to click on and of course adds to the ENDLESS lag in arch i mean just get of your horse for 5 mins not that hard u hit one freaking button

    Don't you know?? Most players are too lazy to move their finger that extra inch to reach that button.b:laugh
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  • Drazo - Heavens Tear
    Drazo - Heavens Tear Posts: 947 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I remember on both meet-the-GM-events the GMs were asking the players to get off their mounts and after dozens of times there were still a handful of players crowding on their oversized mounts.

    People will still fly, ride, crowd, etc even if you ask them nicely.
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  • Eternalnub - Heavens Tear
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    weridgod wrote: »
    I have a couple ideas

    1. get rid of the cat shop option

    2. GET RID OF THE FREAKING CAT SHOPSb:angryb:angryb:angry



    Your opinions please

    buy new computer or press ctrl+f9 while u are in town :)
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    How to reduce lag: Everyone else stops playing, logs off but me. Simple.

    ~S
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I think even if by some miracle EVERYONE started getting off their mount in town, there would still be the complaining about lag. You guys would be begging everyone to stop using catshops next. lol

    Thats just unrealistic to think people will do that. Not everyone has a bad computer. Most the time I see land mounts in towns...riding thru town on those are understandable. And the flying mounts are usually used when someone is about to fly somewhere else. Thats just...the game lol.
  • weridgod
    weridgod Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    buy new computer or press ctrl+f9 while u are in town :)


    i have no big problem with lag but a lot of my friends lag out and i feel abd for them ebcause its something that can be fixed with simple changes
  • Lolas - Heavens Tear
    Lolas - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    weridgod wrote: »
    I have a couple ideas

    1. get rid of the cat shop option

    2. GET RID OF THE FREAKING CAT SHOPSb:angryb:angryb:angry



    Your opinions please

    So you want to get rid of one of the best features of the game, just so you won't lag in one zone, that you need to be in for about 15 minutes a day? Come to west arch for crazy stone, then go elsewhere to do your shopping. Heck realy you can get by with about 4 minutes a day. Go in get quest. Go turn in your stones. then hang out, away from west arch for 10 minutes, then go turn in quest.

    Plus how does a little graphics lag hurt in town? Its not like you are getting killed because of it.

    The cat shops are a very important feature in the game. I can't believe someone would actually want them gone. Some have suggest spreading them out. But why do that? That would just spread, what little graphics lag they cause, to more areas. The way it is now, if you want anything, you know exactly where to look for it. And it is EXTREMELY easy for people with laptops, old computers to avoid them.
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    I think even if by some miracle EVERYONE started getting off their mount in town, there would still be the complaining about lag. You guys would be begging everyone to stop using catshops next. lol

    Thats just unrealistic to think people will do that. Not everyone has a bad computer. Most the time I see land mounts in towns...riding thru town on those are understandable. And the flying mounts are usually used when someone is about to fly somewhere else. Thats just...the game lol.

    Go to the auctioneer in Archo. You will see the same people sitting there for hours on their mounts. There are a few other widely used NPCs that are the same way. @ the person saying buy a new computer. You can have a top of the line PC and still get the lag cause of thease things. My brother has a brand new Alienwares computer. He get one every year. I get the lag when I play PW at his house. The problem is thats alot of info for the IPS to tranfer. Most people who have Cable or DSL. Cant afford to pay for the higher speeds.
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  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ok right now I'm in Archo west Heavens Tear. It's more people than in harshlands. And theres a ton of people on mounts neaer the auction. I can understand how someone with a weaker computer will choke horribly...but for me I only got a slight fps drop.

    Btw...ingame name on HT .... _Jesus__ b:bye


    -edit- pressed ctrl + f9 and now theres no lag whatsoever lol. So anyone with a problem in town...use that
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok right now I'm in Archo west Heavens Tear. It's more people than in harshlands. And theres a ton of people on mounts neaer the auction. I can understand how someone with a weaker computer will choke horribly...but for me I only got a slight fps drop.

    Btw...ingame name on HT .... _Jesus__ b:bye


    -edit- pressed ctrl + f9 and now theres no lag whatsoever lol. So anyone with a problem in town...use that

    Thats graphical lag tho. I think the OP is having issues with net lag. Thats what I've been talking about.
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  • Chocooo - Lost City
    Chocooo - Lost City Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Remove the fee on the auction house.
    That would lower the number of catshops substantially.
    No one likes losing 25k for every 500k item they sell.
    It adds up.

    Selling an 8 million coin mold in auctions equates to losing 400k.
    That's a pretty big amount.
  • Demi - Harshlands
    Demi - Harshlands Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lag?!?!....Jesus lagged for 3days before he was revived,what yall' talkin about.b:victory
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Thats graphical lag tho. I think the OP is having issues with net lag. Thats what I've been talking about.

    I agree.


    A couple days ago, West District in Archosaur was completely empty.



    Then, BOOM, everything popped in after 30 seconds of lagging out.


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  • Kristiona - Heavens Tear
    Kristiona - Heavens Tear Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    No matter what people will find something to complain about in a game. In everquest there was a zone specifically set up for selling stuff called the bazaar but before they added the hide traders buttons you would lag or be stuck look at a wall while you searched the bazaar window for something you wanted. Problem there was you could only sell there and no place else, less you stood around shouting.
    I like the cat shop feature and that you can put them where you want that's what makes this game unique in my opinion.

    kristiona
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Kristiona - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No matter what people will find something to complain about in a game. In everquest there was a zone specifically set up for selling stuff called the bazaar but before they added the hide traders buttons you would lag or be stuck look at a wall while you searched the bazaar window for something you wanted. Problem there was you could only sell there and no place else, less you stood around shouting.
    I like the cat shop feature and that you can put them where you want that's what makes this game unique in my opinion.

    kristiona
    I actually LOVED the Bazaar feature in EQ. I remember EC tunnel all to well. I also remember bringing my Monk there and pulling 2/3 of the zone into the tunnel and then FD and laughing while everyone scrambled to survive.b:laughb:laugh

    Now in EQ if you want to buy something you go to the Bazaar. Every shop has to be on a platform and that is the only place you can go to set up a shop. People can't drag bosses through you, and laugh as you die (more is the pity).

    This game would do well to have a similar function but the current one works as well so I don't see it ever getting changed.

    ~S
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Anyone else get turned on by how evil Saitada is or is it just me????
    *Thinks to self I also get turned on by michale myers in those hallween movies*

    *thinks to self again this should lead to something funny*
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  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    if saitada was a chick, maybe

    i can look at that sig, imagine the person behind it as a chick, then read that post and be remotely turned on, but its always repulsed by the knowledge that hes a 44 y/o man. gaaaaa

    the sig is cute tho
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    mbrunestud wrote: »
    if saitada was a chick, maybe

    i can look at that sig, imagine the person behind it as a chick, then read that post and be remotely turned on, but its always repulsed by the knowledge that hes a 44 y/o man. gaaaaa

    the sig is cute tho

    roflmao. 44 year old, hairy chested, bald, ugly, foul tempered old man no less :P

    ~S
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'm bi so it dont matter if they are male or female. Just so long as they are evil
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Don't you know?? Most players are too lazy to move their finger that extra inch to reach that button.b:laugh
    Nah, it's that there's an annoying delay for summoning your land mount. If you have to summon/unsummon it for each NPC then it kinda defeats the purpose of having a mount that's supposed to make you go faster.
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  • slugsly2
    slugsly2 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'm seeing 100ish ms for latency on the server screen but I die to net lag all the time. I am alway hit at least once by the monster after it is dead on my screen, sometimes twice. I can change targets on my screen cast 2 seconds later and the spell will still fire at the old target. I don't have this problem in any other game and I have a fast computer and decent a dsl connection. Kinda pisses me off sometimes.
  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    the Bazar in EQ was good.

    But.. the housing system in DAoC was IMHO much better.

    You could have a vendor by your house, and put things to sell, and pnj at the entry of the zones had a directory, with search options, to find what you were lookin for.

    Either you bought at the pnj with an 10% extra cost, or you did gt to the house to buy it at the real price.
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

    Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    slugsly2 wrote: »
    I'm seeing 100ish ms for latency on the server screen but I die to net lag all the time. I am alway hit at least once by the monster after it is dead on my screen, sometimes twice. I can change targets on my screen cast 2 seconds later and the spell will still fire at the old target. I don't have this problem in any other game and I have a fast computer and decent a dsl connection. Kinda pisses me off sometimes.

    lol thats not lag. Thats just the way the game calculates damage. I get the exact same thing with 30 ms on harshlands.

    And I also played the Malay version of this game. Everyone complained about a "delay" there too. It's just how the game was made....it's got nothin to do with connection speed.
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Chocooo - Lost City wrote: »
    Remove the fee on the auction house.
    That would lower the number of catshops substantially.
    No one likes losing 25k for every 500k item they sell.
    It adds up.

    Selling an 8 million coin mold in auctions equates to losing 400k.
    That's a pretty big amount.

    It's weird, on another game i played, the auction had a fee, but it was 1-2% instead of 5%. In addition, that game charged about 5% fee "tax" on all bazaars (whats a cat shop in this game) set up within a large city's limits. As such, there became a specific area just outside the largest town which became the bazaar area. I think a reduced fee at the auction and the introduction of an in city tax on catshops would signifigantly help the problem. The tremendous amounts of catshops do result in both types of major lag problems (too much data to send across the network, and too much graphical information to display).

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