Cub vs Frog and Crytsal vs Volcanic vs Torgrim

golferdude
golferdude Posts: 2 Arc User
edited March 2009 in Venomancer
Ok, I have some skill buying decisions to make:


Name HP Atk P.def M.def Acc. Dodge Atk/s m/s
Shaodu Cub 3149 1888 7594 7594 1649 1299 0.8 7.4
Frogling 2732 2104 7097 8280 1821 1214 0.8 7.7

I guess cub is better phy tank, but I have to buy bash and upgrade it
for both/either. Is the diff. in magic def. enough to warrant spending that
much money on the frog?

Second fight:

Crystalline Magmite 2934 3240 8792 5861 1354 1003 0.6 6.2
Volcanic Magmite 2931 3234 8782 5855 1352 1002 0.6 6.3
Torgirn Brave 2885 3145 8642 5741 1331 986 0.6 6.5

Looks to me like I get about the same stats with The Torgirn, but have all the skills (Bash 3, tough 1) and with hardly much fuss or money. Is the diff. in stats end game that big a difference?

Thanks for any advice, words of wisdom, or constructive comments.
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  • pwiplayer01
    pwiplayer01 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    second one is crystaillnes for the win


    first one unknown i also wanna know
  • Energize - Heavens Tear
    Energize - Heavens Tear Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    IMO, you won't have much need for a magic tank. That being said, I don't think that extra magic defence would warrant you buying skills for the frog. For me it's bear > frog.

    As for the golems, as pwiplayer has said, crystallines for the win. Although stats difference seem minimal, they really do make a difference.
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  • Sylvini - Heavens Tear
    Sylvini - Heavens Tear Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Yes, the stat differences will make a difference. Will it be huge? No. Will it be noticable? Yes.

    The other thing to realize is that, while 300-400K may be a lot of money, you can always get more. There is NO way to make up for the stat difference, ever.

    To put it another way, the Torgrin brave starts out with better skills, but by late level, their skills will end up equal anyway (you'll spend the money). The Crystaline Magmite, however, will always have better stats.
  • Kotecek - Lost City
    Kotecek - Lost City Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'll put here my little question: Is this little white bear(Cub?) better than golem anf froggy? I think about pet "2 in 1"

    What lvl have ur Shadou Cub? 70?
    My chars: 97 barb, 87 cleric, 91 veno, 80 archer, 74 Blademaster, 34 Psychic, 30 Assasin, 20 Wizard, 44 Seeker, 20 Mistyc.

    ^ I have SO many personalities to play them all! b:cute

    And YAY for my Phoenix!(on THIS veno ^^) b:victory
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Yes, the stat differences will make a difference. Will it be huge? No. Will it be noticable? Yes.

    No, a 0.1% difference in damage output or damage taken (between crystalline and volcanic) is not noticeable.

    To notice a difference that small statistically, you would need a sample size of at least a million hits. Any fewer than that and you couldn't be sure if the variation in damage was due to randomness or due to a difference in the stats. If you were constantly fighting mobs which did 0.8 hits per second, it would take over two weeks of nonstop fighting to reach 1 million hits. You Will Not Notice A Difference.

    The difference in coin to get the crystalline and volcanic to parity in skills is 100k. For that to equal the difference in stats, you would have to make 100 million coin in the time you spend using the golem. By that time you'll have bought a hercules and retired the golem. So my vote is for the volcanic.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'll put here my little question: Is this little white bear(Cub?) better than golem anf froggy? I think about pet "2 in 1"
    The problem with the cub (and all pets except the legendary) vs. the golem is that the only time it really matters which pet you have is in very close fights. And in very close fights you are scrapping for every little bit of extra advantage you can come up with. So the golem's extra p.def and attack easily makes it a winner over the cub in those tought fights against physical mobs.

    I much prefer grinding with the cub instead of the golem. But in the tough fights and FBs appropriate for my level, 99% of the time I am using the golem. Which is remarkable considering that I hated the golem so much it drove me to camp the cub for 3 weeks to capture one.
  • Danni - Heavens Tear
    Danni - Heavens Tear Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    TAny fewer than that and you couldn't be sure if the variation in damage was due to randomness or due to a difference in the stats.

    Actually, I noticed pet's hits are consistent in damage, not really that difficult of an observation to make at all, just you have to split your hits and the hits from your pet. That is, unless this was changed.

    And my personal recommendation now is to get a volcanic, there was a time when crystalline had the potential to be the ultimate tank, but the herc ended that. There is a negligible difference in stats between crystalline and volcanic and a free skill (though bash is weaker, it's been a while since I used volcanic so I can't say for sure).

    And yes, I don't use a volcanic, I used to back before the herc and I switched to crystalline, something I kind of regret but it doesn't make enough of a difference for me to go back again.
    The problem with the cub (and all pets except the legendary) vs. the golem is that the only time it really matters which pet you have is in very close fights. And in very close fights you are scrapping for every little bit of extra advantage you can come up with. So the golem's extra p.def and attack easily makes it a winner over the cub in those tought fights against physical mobs.

    I much prefer grinding with the cub instead of the golem. But in the tough fights and FBs appropriate for my level, 99% of the time I am using the golem. Which is remarkable considering that I hated the golem so much it drove me to camp the cub for 3 weeks to capture one.

    I've noticed the cub doesn't like multiple vs 1 cases when I'm off fighting something else. The golem generally makes it through without much trouble. Though in close fights the cub has the advantage of stunning, something like that can turn a fight, even if it is only for 3 seconds.
    I'll put here my little question: Is this little white bear(Cub?) better than golem anf froggy? I think about pet "2 in 1"

    The cub is more of an all around pet, it has decent m and p def. So if you're looking to use one as an all-purpose pet, I'd get the bear.
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    At the early stage, it's better to take Torgirn Brave. It saves you money since you don't have to upgrade as many skills. While it's true the lost stats can't be made up, it's not too noticeable anyway. Besides, Torgirn is a little faster than other Magmites.

    Torgirn is more than adequate for typical uses. Save up your money and get a Herc/Phoenix when you can. Anything that the other pets can do (except Herc/Phoenix), the Torgirn can do almost as well. Herc/Phoenix can do things no other pets can. The difference between Torgirn and everything else (except Herc/Phoenix) is small. The difference between Herc/Phoenix and everything else is huge. Every coin that you waste on "filler pets" between Torgirn and Herc/Phoenix puts back the day when you finally get a Herc/Phoenix and pwn PWI.b:thanks
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Actually, I noticed pet's hits are consistent in damage, not really that difficult of an observation to make at all, just you have to split your hits and the hits from your pet. That is, unless this was changed.

    Ok, I'll grant you that. I was thinking more in terms of damage taken. But still, the difference between your pet hitting for 1000 and 1001 is academic. The variability in your spell and melee damage is going to have a much bigger impact on the fight.
  • Kotecek - Lost City
    Kotecek - Lost City Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Now i know.. I'm earning money on Nix, because my bee suck(Insect Minstrees- something). So golem is one needed.. why I buyed Frogling then? D:
    My chars: 97 barb, 87 cleric, 91 veno, 80 archer, 74 Blademaster, 34 Psychic, 30 Assasin, 20 Wizard, 44 Seeker, 20 Mistyc.

    ^ I have SO many personalities to play them all! b:cute

    And YAY for my Phoenix!(on THIS veno ^^) b:victory
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Now i know.. I'm earning money on Nix, because my bee suck(Insect Minstrees- something). So golem is one needed.. why I buyed Frogling then? D:

    For the mag def? And they're cute.b:chuckle

    Golem is the grinding slave...
  • Danni - Heavens Tear
    Danni - Heavens Tear Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    But frogs are slimy and golems are big and look potentially mean.

    Anyways seriously frog is for magic tanking.
  • Kotecek - Lost City
    Kotecek - Lost City Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I know that Frogling is best mag tank(after herc and nix ofc), but..

    Flogling isn't just needed as mag tank on my lvl, really.. My golem do just fine(on pirathes--> forgot name, mobs lvl~ 73) he can aggro form 1 to 5-6 mobs and I can heal him and don't steal aggro. b:victory He is like half-hercules xD
    My chars: 97 barb, 87 cleric, 91 veno, 80 archer, 74 Blademaster, 34 Psychic, 30 Assasin, 20 Wizard, 44 Seeker, 20 Mistyc.

    ^ I have SO many personalities to play them all! b:cute

    And YAY for my Phoenix!(on THIS veno ^^) b:victory
  • Sigr - Heavens Tear
    Sigr - Heavens Tear Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Penguins are cuter than frogs! b:pleased
    Lament of a Hybrid Veno: Where oh where did my spirit go? b:sad

    I hate ranged mobs. b:angry

    I <3 my cactopod. b:pleased
  • hollow
    hollow Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I personnaly have the cub and it hasnt let me down since i tweaked it to hold agro.I can easily take 5-6 mob my level at once depending on their debuff.