From Pure to LA?

Darkmauro - Harshlands
Darkmauro - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
edited March 2009 in Wizard
Hi,

So i started on the new server(PvP). And i rolled a mage. I was LA in Lost city, and this timed i builded a Pure Mage. I hit really hard and PVE is really fast and easy. Problem is i die fast :S . Now my question is : Should i start puting points in dex and more in str to change to LA when i hit lvl 60ish?
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    NO

    LA after lv 60 i just retarted
    lv 60 is when all the mobs go magic theres very few physical dmg mobs u will have to kill and most of the mobs ull grind on are magic
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    NO

    LA after lv 60 i just retarted
    lv 60 is when all the mobs go magic theres very few physical dmg mobs u will have to kill and most of the mobs ull grind on are magic
    Uh. That only works for carebear servers. Going LA at 60 is a pretty good idea on a PVP server. I went LA at 55 and I sure as hell don't regret it. I kill magic mobs without getting hit anyway, as should every wizard with some common sense at 67+.


    Either way it's still personal preference. Arcane = faster/cheaper leveling, more damage, crappy survivability in PK/etc. LA = you can tank physical mobs with ease if you get agro'd or whatever, your survivability against BMs/Barbs is HIGH, but you'll fail in a fight against an arcane wizard.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Darkmauro - Harshlands
    Darkmauro - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Hmmm.. i still dont know what to do. If i would change to LA i will have to just put points in dex and str , and leave my mag how it is. I have 170 mag and 25 str 5 dex and 5 vit.

    If i change to LA i think it will be a waste of Magic , i dunno.. But some ppl say i will get killed easily if i stay Arcane mage. Plz help me to decide! b:thanks
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Darkmauro - Harshlands wrote: »
    Hmmm.. i still dont know what to do. If i would change to LA i will have to just put points in dex and str , and leave my mag how it is. I have 170 mag and 25 str 5 dex and 5 vit.

    If i change to LA i think it will be a waste of Magic , i dunno.. But some ppl say i will get killed easily if i stay Arcane mage. Plz help me to decide! b:thanks

    Most people will reset attribute points, most LA that I know restated at level 70. That way it can be done all at once, instead of having an off set of points making more difficult for armors and weapons....GL
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  • Mizorie - Lost City
    Mizorie - Lost City Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I'm la and i do find i get killed easily by magic mobs/pvp. So i carry two sets of armor wiht me at all times. My la set, and my arcane set. I just change armor depending on the situation.
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  • Zdolnoc - Sanctuary
    Zdolnoc - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mizo is absolutely right. On a PVP server you should just go LA and have 2 sets of armor. If I have to fight a bunch of magic mobs I just strap on the arcane gear. If I suddenly find myself face to face with a melee mob or a rival faction member(s) I throw on the LA.

    Oh and a nifty little thing I discovered that makes that easy. Set your armors to your numbers 1-6 hotkeys. Then all you have to do is punch each one in a row and you're strapped for battle.
  • Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,175 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    okay LA, You get extra physical defence now do you need that? how often are you actually going to tank? I mean come on you really think you're going to go to FB and tank a boss? or that you're going to Tank a BM in PK? no you will Distance shrink, as for archers they already have a 50% dmg redution at close range that's enough, enough said Robed is the way to go (pure INT ftw)
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I mean come on you really think you're going to go to FB and tank a boss? or that you're going to Tank a BM in PK? no you will Distance shrink, as for archers they already have a 50% dmg redution at close range that's enough, enough said Robed is the way to go (pure INT ftw)
    rofl, you're a dumbass. From this post it's horribly obvious that you don't have a clue about PK. Tank bosses? No, but I'm also not going to fall over if something hits me, and I can easily tank smaller mobs, like the ones in FB51 etc.


    And yeah you're going to have to tank a BM/Barb/Archer in pvp. Honestly, what would you do after blinking away? Are you so dumb that you think you'll be able to kill them before they reach you? Or are you just going to run away in every 1v1 fight with a BM? You're going to be standing still for at least 10 seconds if you want to kill anyone with a hiero who isn't 10 levels lower.

    And wow, great, archers have damage reduction at close range. Well then, what happens if one targets you from behind in PK wars? You'll just get stunned and die? I know for a fact I've been ganked by 2 archers and gotten away alive. And that wouldn't have happened with Arcane gear.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • sillyfoo
    sillyfoo Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    rofl, you're a dumbass. From this post it's horribly obvious that you don't have a clue about PK. Tank bosses? No, but I'm also not going to fall over if something hits me, and I can easily tank smaller mobs, like the ones in FB51 etc.


    And yeah you're going to have to tank a BM/Barb/Archer in pvp. Honestly, what would you do after blinking away? Are you so dumb that you think you'll be able to kill them before they reach you? Or are you just going to run away in every 1v1 fight with a BM? You're going to be standing still for at least 10 seconds if you want to kill anyone with a hiero who isn't 10 levels lower.

    And wow, great, archers have damage reduction at close range. Well then, what happens if one targets you from behind in PK wars? You'll just get stunned and die? I know for a fact I've been ganked by 2 archers and gotten away alive. And that wouldn't have happened with Arcane gear.

    Kristoff is correct about 88 and below wizards on a PVP server. If ur arcane and u think ur safe inside archers dmg reduction area u are dead wrong. Winged Pledge and Wingspan will rip ur head off and **** down ur throat in the game as arcane below the HH90 gear, unless u put a butt load of physcial def shards in that are good high quality.

    Wing pledge
    Range: 5 meters
    Channel: 0.5 seconds
    Cast: 0.9 seconds
    Cooldown: 2.0 seconds
    Weapon: No restrictions

    Wingspan
    Range: 5 meters
    Channel: 1.0 seconds
    Cast: 1.0 seconds
    Cooldown: 6.0 seconds
    Weapon: No restrictions

    Now as a archer u can wingpledge, wingspan, wingpledge(if one of these crits no need for second or thrid hit depending on when hiero ticks) and mage is dead b4 mage can even get off thrid spell o.o at lower lvls even with earth barrier. LA on a pvp server is ok just gives u more of a chance to get away from ganks and stuff from archers, bm, and barb. Now im not saying LA is better then arcane builds endgame im just saying u cant deny it gives u more survivablity against pk in mass groups below HH90 gear without costing too much.

    edit - Putting in times for casting archer skills
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i personally dont think mages are any good at pk unless ur in squad mode and i really dont pk solo so (usualy with 1 bm for stunz, 1 archer, 1 cleric, and me) i would prefer that i do more damage because i dont really get hit (since me, the archer and cleric can usually take them out before one of use gets killed)
    and even with LA we die pretty fast... not as fast but still pretty fast...
  • sillyfoo
    sillyfoo Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    with LA we die pretty fast... not as fast but still pretty fast...

    Sooooo..............u dont deny it gives more survivablity against physical types. Yes, pure does do more damage without crit being put into it. Btw if u know what ur doing pk fights shouldnt last longer then 15 seconds for any armor type 1 vs 1, the exception is barbarian.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    okay LA, You get extra physical defence now do you need that? how often are you actually going to tank? I mean come on you really think you're going to go to FB and tank a boss? or that you're going to Tank a BM in PK? no you will Distance shrink, as for archers they already have a 50% dmg redution at close range that's enough, enough said Robed is the way to go (pure INT ftw)

    You seem to forget that this is the mage forum, Mages don't have plume shell like Clerics do, imo LA is the only good build for a mage unless you only want PvE.
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Pure from 1-59;
    Light from 60-89;
    Pure after 90.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    and even with LA we die pretty fast... not as fast but still pretty fast...
    I don't... even when I'm not on a HP hiero, I live quite long when fighting BMs/Archers/Barbs. Especially with these new event pots, which basically give you 250 hp/sec non stop, which is quite something considering equal level BMs do about 400-600 per hit on average. Add in blink and you're pretty safe from dying even without that hiero. So the problem of tanking is gone... thanks to LA.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i have a wiz and i PK (pure build) and i usually hit hard (against a barb at lvl 39 and i was 35 i almost got him in a duel but i forgot to use distance shrink lolz) and he had like 5% of health and when he won the duel he was like how the hell you get me this low and i just grinned. If you gonna PK with pure build you gotta play it smart. depending on how aware you opponent is of you depends on what you do. If they dont notice me i use stone rain or divine pyrogram. If they do i use gush, pyrogram, and pitfall and a lot of distance shrink. If you want you can give them a chase too. I find that if they get too close go into the water and use gush or pitfall to slow them down and just shoot a few spells.

    Even though im not in a PK server im in a PK guild in a PvE server lolz
    and im also the only mage that PKs a lot.
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  • Krel - Heavens Tear
    Krel - Heavens Tear Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I love my light armor build.I also carry another set of arcane with me as well.The crits are awsome with my stat build and i can take on 2-3 hard hitting mobs at a time..yes hp charm helps but they may tick it once.I hit hard and know how to kite well so no biggie.Since wifey is around with me i tank 5-8 mobs at a time and i have tanked bosses in fb 39 fb59..19 and 29..cake walks.Come on yeah we are wizards the so called "paper class"But i dont accept that and will never accept it.Learn to use your skills and judgement and u will see what true power a wiz can do.
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  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pure from 1-59;
    Light from 60-89;
    Pure after 90.

    Is this with or without item mall reset cards?

    Pure builds sound great- the damage and all, but cast times make it impossible to PK like that. Even if you play it smart, running around, distance shrink, using objects & buildings, etc.- eventually you will have to take a hit if you want to get your good skills off.

    IDK... this is a good debate, survivability is a huge factor, but is it really that improved with Light Armor once the mobs start using magic attacks? And what's the damage difference between LA and Pure? (Pandora's guide says it's only 200*).

    Is it possible that though this class was meant to go for a pure DD build, perhaps our damage is naturally high enough and we should do everything (within reason) we can to augment our defense? (right now I have 2k def with the Stone Barrier buff, and I'm still soloing everything but bosses).


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  • Pandora - Lost City
    Pandora - Lost City Posts: 454 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pure from 1-59;
    Light from 60-89;
    Pure after 90.

    Pure's a joke and so is your server.
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Pandora - Lost City wrote: »
    Pure's a joke and so is your server.

    and then you get 1 shotted by your own class. ok.
  • Dazels - Lost City
    Dazels - Lost City Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Pandora - Lost City wrote: »
    Pure's a joke and so is your server.

    I dont agree pandora pure mages after 9x hit like trucks and with a bit of skill are amazing ive seen very few but there out there.
    Ooo I know lets roll pvp server so i can QQ about pking...

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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    ill put it this way

    for pvp:

    pure: for pk in squads, sneak attacks, flying
    good after lv 90sih
    LA: good for pk solo and still pretty good in squads


    for pve
    LA good all round becaue
    lv 1-50 alot of physical mobs... magic mobs shouldent give u too much trouble... expecially cuz u got self heal after 30
    60-80 magic mobs but ull be zhening by now...
    90+idk

    pure: good after lv 30 ish because ull have kb
    lv1-50cnat take very many hits so ull need to kite phys mobs
    lv60-80 magic mobs mostly but thell do alot of dmg... ull still need to kite everything... but killing is pretty fast
    90+ idk


    LA will have to use ALOT more mana pots than pure but pure will need to pop some hp pots here and there

    to grind 2 hours non stop with full buffs at lv 60... we were killing falcon thigns north of lost town thingy... no cleric or other help btw... except for buffs :)
    me (pure)
    6 lv 70 hp pots
    5 lv 60 hp pots
    12 lv 50 hp pots
    22 lv 70 mp pots
    1 lv 60 mp pot
    friend who is 1 lv above me(LA)
    3lv 70 hp pots
    19 lv 60 hp pots
    1 lv 30 hp pot
    35 lv 70 mp pots
    12 lv 60 mp pots...

    overall i used less pots...

    the mobs were magic though lol
  • Pandora - Lost City
    Pandora - Lost City Posts: 454 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    and then you get 1 shotted by your own class. ok.

    www.RQClan.com/pprebirth.zip

    I invite you to take a look at 1:58, Spirea's divine pyrogram does 1400 to me. Her earth ult does 1500, and ignoring the fact that she's a moron for using the earth ult on a mage with earth barrier (let alone on anyone at all). I have 4.6k hp unbuffed, with crappy upgrades because I don't cash shop and unspectacular gems.

    Don't bother with the incoming "CQ MAGES HAVE 6K" because you know damned well I'd have way more with the same gear.

    My point is, when you're ulting people for 1500 (2000 if you use the right ult) you're not going to one me even if I crit, not unbuffed.

    Mages don't hurt me. Our best damage spells are earth and, lo and behold, I have robe reduction for that. The rest of the spells do laughable damage and I typically ignore mages and silence them if they fury.

    Seriously, dude, GB2/pve/
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  • majero
    majero Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I invite you to take a look at 1:58, Spirea's divine pyrogram does 1400 to me. Her earth ult does 1500, and ignoring the fact that she's a moron for using the earth ult on a mage with earth barrier (let alone on anyone at all). I have 4.6k hp unbuffed, with crappy upgrades because I don't cash shop and unspectacular gems.

    Don't bother with the incoming "CQ MAGES HAVE 6K" because you know damned well I'd have way more with the same gear.

    My point is, when you're ulting people for 1500 (2000 if you use the right ult) you're not going to one me even if I crit, not unbuffed.

    Mages don't hurt me. Our best damage spells are earth and, lo and behold, I have robe reduction for that. The rest of the spells do laughable damage and I typically ignore mages and silence them if they fury.


    Spirea is actually a Hybrid mage, not pure int. She was also unbuffed(?)

    CQ mages dont cash shop.

    And im' pretty sure Spirea used Mountain just to stun you, i guess her plan didn't work out. But ya... Dragon would have been the better choice if she wanted to do actual damage.
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Pandora - Lost City wrote: »
    www.RQClan.com/pprebirth.zip

    I invite you to take a look at 1:58, Spirea's divine pyrogram does 1400 to me. Her earth ult does 1500, and ignoring the fact that she's a moron for using the earth ult on a mage with earth barrier (let alone on anyone at all). I have 4.6k hp unbuffed, with crappy upgrades because I don't cash shop and unspectacular gems.

    Don't bother with the incoming "CQ MAGES HAVE 6K" because you know damned well I'd have way more with the same gear.

    My point is, when you're ulting people for 1500 (2000 if you use the right ult) you're not going to one me even if I crit, not unbuffed.

    Mages don't hurt me. Our best damage spells are earth and, lo and behold, I have robe reduction for that. The rest of the spells do laughable damage and I typically ignore mages and silence them if they fury.

    Seriously, dude, GB2/pve/

    go try the same against people with comparable gear and lvl then we discuss it.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    majero wrote: »
    CQ mages dont cash shop.
    It's funny how you say that in response to a "They have better gear than I do". Nobody said they CSed, just that they have better gear. zzzz
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    majero wrote: »
    Spirea is actually a Hybrid mage, not pure int. She was also unbuffed(?)

    CQ mages dont cash shop.

    And im' pretty sure Spirea used Mountain just to stun you, i guess her plan didn't work out. But ya... Dragon would have been the better choice if she wanted to do actual damage.

    Spirea has 25 vit.
    That's not hybrid
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    unbuffed mage hitting a fully buffed mage with an earth barrier on with a low-power ult that probably was under level 5.

    cool.

    you also hit 1,200 normall, 2,200 spikes when you use undine strike. full int hitting at least 2,500 normally on barbarians. 200 damage? and jeez, most don't even have that weapon. he mage in question is using a +2 requiem blade.
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