When will the balence of power shift?
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Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear
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I am sitting here at work atm, and a thought came to mind. (Which I admit at times is rare, lol) As the server matures and ages, more and more people will achieve high levels 90+. ATM I think it's common knowledge Radiance and Enrage on HT have the most high levels in their respective guilds, than any other guild on the server. It works this way in pretty much every game where there is large group pvp involved, people gravitate to be with other high levels, because the guilds they first started with didn't have enuf people of similar level in it, to do the things they want to do. I'd list the games where I've seen this happen, but if I did the GM's would just lock the thread, so I can't.
Also what happens in all these games, is the balence of power shifts. People in the dominant guilds, get bored, feel the need for a challenge, quit, whatever. And as the server matures (ages) more and more people start achieving the high levels themselves. And new guilds start appearing who can actually challenge the guilds who for a long time have had a monopoly of supreme power. And eventually start overtaking them little by little.
I respect Enrage, and Radiance for all they have accomplished. I may not agree with everything some of their members did or do, but thats another matter. This is a game, and things happen, lol.
Anyways, I guess I'd like to see what others think about this. And I know some flaming will no doubt happen. But lets try and be civil while having an interesting discussion on all this. How long do you folks think it will take, for this evolution to take place?
My guess is most likely in about 3-4 months, we will begin to see other guilds start to put pressure on the current heavy hitter guilds here on HT. Should be fun to see some new faces enter the TW map.
What say you?
Also what happens in all these games, is the balence of power shifts. People in the dominant guilds, get bored, feel the need for a challenge, quit, whatever. And as the server matures (ages) more and more people start achieving the high levels themselves. And new guilds start appearing who can actually challenge the guilds who for a long time have had a monopoly of supreme power. And eventually start overtaking them little by little.
I respect Enrage, and Radiance for all they have accomplished. I may not agree with everything some of their members did or do, but thats another matter. This is a game, and things happen, lol.
Anyways, I guess I'd like to see what others think about this. And I know some flaming will no doubt happen. But lets try and be civil while having an interesting discussion on all this. How long do you folks think it will take, for this evolution to take place?
My guess is most likely in about 3-4 months, we will begin to see other guilds start to put pressure on the current heavy hitter guilds here on HT. Should be fun to see some new faces enter the TW map.
What say you?
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It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
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Never. A very low percentage of the players will effectively hit level 100+. Or even 90+.
Out of those, many will never go into a big guild to go TW. Many don't have any interrest in PvP play whatsoever.
Out of those who will hit 90+ and have interrest in PvP and TW, most will in turn join one of the 2 or 3 big guilds out there to replace their members who left or stopped playing.
If you look into the situation of the two malaysian server. The map is dominated by one big guild since close to one and a half year already.
And I'm seeing the same pattern repeating here.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Not being in one of those BIG guilds myself, I can't speak for them of course. But I can't see the fun in being in one, and having everyone scared to attack them, they rarely get a real challenge and just roll people in TW. Currently you see Radiance owning most the map, with Enrage the rest, and two smaller guilds having just one chunk of the map each. Everyone trys to attack the two small guilds, and many avoid attacking the larger ones, lol. And the two powerhouses refuse to attack each other. I could be wrong, but it seems to many of us, they are scared of the other guy getting the bragging rights over the other. But I could be wrong.
/shrugs.
As far as nobody ever rising up to challenge them, I think your thought of NEVER is false. There already is a few guilds catching up and starting to get into TW, and those guilds are raising their levels daily, slowly but surely catching up. Yeah the big guilds have their high levels already, but we all know, when you get that high a level, the xp just becomes murder to grind. And people eventually start to catch up in levels. Todays 60s will soon be 70s, and then into 80s. While the 90s will still be 90s most likely.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
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and a thought came to mind. (Which I admit at times is rare, lol)
It wont change, or at least not the way you put the problem. Compareing to other MMO games this PWI is still at begining. Here in PWI I see a strange thing, entire guilds dissapeare and reapeare over night, ex. TheEmpire-Legion, RoC-Enrage are the most known, plus I see huge amount of ppl flock between few large factions.
so back to your thoughts... how you put the problem, if you are in a large faction with only high lvl and some day the highest lvl player quit and (taked to extrem) a lvl 1 player enters in his place, that lvl 1 player have better chance to lvl faster/kill boses/etc then if he was in an average faction.
basicaly the more bigger and stronger your guild is, the more chances you have to stay on top and resist even if member are quiting... and all factions lose member almost every week, new come in, etc0 -
I would have loved to no-life myself to lvl 100 but i am stuck with college and sports and lots of real life stuff b:cry
If i had more free time i would have participated in bringing the power shift.
But the only way it can happen now is Enrage beating the **** out of Radiance.
Which may happen if somehow KingPiccolo cannot make it to that TW0 -
Ok, well lets see here who are the guilds who are currently active in TW. I don't know all the history and would love for someone with more knowledge than I to chirp in here. I know I'll miss some.
We have
Enrage and Radiance of course.
We have Ultra, Legion, Shadow, Triad, Rome, Evo to name a few. (forgive me, Im at work, and on a graveyard shift atm, so Im having a brainfart) I know I missed some, so forgive me.
I know the guild WhiteFang has TW ambitions. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see Nocturne maybe get into it eventually. Surely some of these guilds will begin to make an impact on the TW map. And I think it would be healthy for the game if they did. It would bring new blood into the TW equation, and give these big boys somebody new to fight every week.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
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Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see Nocturne maybe get into it eventually. Surely some of these guilds will begin to make an impact on the TW map. And I think it would be healthy for the game if they did. It would bring new blood into the TW equation, and give these big boys somebody new to fight every week.0
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Stupidus - Heavens Tear wrote: »in curent Heaven Tear guild configuration I dont think will be any impact at all. And fresh blood wont help, that TW's will be a 5 min TW, will be shorter then daily quests. But good luck to them
The way things are now yes. The whole idea of this thread is looking into the future. Surely you can't be that closed minded about what lies ahead months from now?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
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If high lvls of Legion merge with Enrage then we can see what happens.
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I remember playing on the MY and saw how the map was 3 power guilds that slowly turned into 1 power guild. It seemed sad that most didn't have that chance at land and we all hoped the GM's or developers would do a reset of the map.
Even though I am in Radiance and yes we own half the map...I wouldn't mind other guilds getting strong and possing a challenge to us. If we ever took the whole map I wouldn't mind if they did a map reset so we could all start all over again as I feel it would keep this game fresh for all players. Even if the map was owned just by Radiance and Enrage I would like to see a map reset so other guilds that did not get the chance at the PVE side of TW could have that chance. I liked the PVE just as much as the PVP side of the TW.
TW is a big part in this game I hope the people running this game see that and try to keep things fun for all players.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »The way things are now yes. The whole idea of this thread is looking into the future. Surely you can't be that closed minded about what lies ahead months from now?0
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In another kinda similar game which I can't name due to PWI forum rules. b:angry
I seen guilds become mega powerfull. Then over time some members would get disgruntled with leadership, or bored, or even just wanted more of a challenge instead of just rolling over people all the time. And would jump to other guilds that were up and coming. The balence of power over the years shifted. And guilds who rule the game now, are not the ones who ruled years ago.
With the way PWI has this game setup, once you hit a certain level the players ability to level at a reasonable rate becomes almost nill. And inevitably other players from other guilds start to catch up. Yeah Enrage and Radiance can and do just roll the other guilds who dare attack them. But those other guilds are filled with level 50s, 60s, 70s. Ive even seen level 25s in TW lol. I know in my guild we are committed to grinding as much as we can. And have raised our level average fairly well just in the past couple weeks even. I can only assume other guilds are doing the same, that have TW ambitions.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
~Aristotle0 -
Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »I can only assume other guilds are doing the same, that have TW ambitions.
This is where you are wrong. The vast majority of players don't care at all about TW.
And the ambition of most of those who do is to join the big guilds one day.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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But you totally overlook all those who do want to TW. The guilds I listed above are filled with those ppl. And I know of many others in other guilds who claim they want to also. Just because you want nothing to do with TW, don't think there is very few who do want to TW.
I respect your opinion, but I think you are overlooking a lot.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
~Aristotle0 -
Kymkat - Heavens Tear wrote: »Even though I am in Radiance and yes we own half the map...I wouldn't mind other guilds getting strong and possing a challenge to us.
Attack enrage then- oh wait, you're too scared to.
They are a great challenge to rad at the moment, and rad knows this... Enrage has more pvp/tw experienced players than rad now, and the levels in the 2 guilds are similar.
Although rad has huge monetary advantage over enrage, i would still say that rad is basically running away from a challenge. Whether that's the members' fault, or charity's fault, i don't know, but if you want your "challenge" as you suggest, easy... declare on Etherblade this week.
However, it seems like you are all talk and no action, publicly stating that you want a challenge but secretly running from it.0 -
Attack enrage then- oh wait, you're too scared to.
They are a great challenge to rad at the moment, and rad knows this... Enrage has more pvp/tw experienced players than rad now, and the levels in the 2 guilds are similar.
Although rad has huge monetary advantage over enrage, i would still say that rad is basically running away from a challenge. Whether that's the members' fault, or charity's fault, i don't know, but if you want your "challenge" as you suggest, easy... declare on Etherblade this week.
However, it seems like you are all talk and no action, publicly stating that you want a challenge but secretly running from it.
I feel a reversal coming...0 -
Attack enrage then- oh wait, you're too scared to.
They are a great challenge to rad at the moment, and rad knows this... Enrage has more pvp/tw experienced players than rad now, and the levels in the 2 guilds are similar.
Although rad has huge monetary advantage over enrage, i would still say that rad is basically running away from a challenge. Whether that's the members' fault, or charity's fault, i don't know, but if you want your "challenge" as you suggest, easy... declare on Etherblade this week.
However, it seems like you are all talk and no action, publicly stating that you want a challenge but secretly running from it.
i feel lazy.0 -
Inna - Heavens Tear wrote: »i feel lazy.
So do i...0 -
Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »
I respect Enrage, and Radiance for all they have accomplished. I may not agree with everything some of their members did or do, but thats another matter. This is a game, and things happen, lol.
Anyways, I guess I'd like to see what others think about this. And I know some flaming will no doubt happen. But lets try and be civil while having an interesting discussion on all this. How long do you folks think it will take, for this evolution to take place?
My guess is most likely in about 3-4 months, we will begin to see other guilds start to put pressure on the current heavy hitter guilds here on HT. Should be fun to see some new faces enter the TW map.
What say you?
Just to point out that Enrage is only about 1 1/2 months old if that. They are a new guild with old players. Enrage hasnt been around since the beginning or nowhere near as long as Rad.
That alone shows you how the tides of power can shift and what happens when those large "established" guilds start to **** off or treat their members unfairly. Almost everyone in Enrage came to be in Enrage because they left some large guild for some reason or another.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The PH servers have actually reset their TW map. They did it a while back. Im not sure why PW MY hasnt yet.
Even being in a top guild, I do push my guild all the time for a better challange and to look at the future for ourselves. Personally I want a TW map reset every 6 months lol.
I made a thread about it once long ago:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=142091
There are some good pictures in there on page 2 of the PH maps after the TW map reset. And also of 1 guild owning the entire map on page 5.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »But you totally overlook all those who do want to TW.
On a PVE server, the TW fans are in minority, be realistic.
Well, all I can add is wait for a few months, and we'll see who was right b:chuckle
My own prediction : at that time, 2 or 3 big guilds will still own most of the lands.
Another version recently (4 or 5 months ago) resetted their TW maps after 1 and a half year of play.
On the first week, all lands (except cities of courses) were taken by a different guild. If I was to follow what you say, most of those guilds after 1 and a half year of play should be able to holds their lands against one another since they should be more or less of the same strenght.
The situation right now (more or less 2 years after the servers opened) :
server #1 : 3 guilds are holding 75% of the lands, the rest being divided between 7 other guilds
server #2 : 4 guilds hold 90% of the lands, the rest being divided between 5 other guilds
server #3 : 3 guilds hold 95% of the lands, the rest beign divided between 4 other guilds
Why would it be different here?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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sure other players/factions are getting stronger and higher lvls will slowdown but that wont change the fact that while other players get high enough, the landholders will be raking in money from their lands. so it'll be the strong gets stronger.0
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hi everyone!!! i play on the lost city server and foxx_trott has a good point. latley ive been seeing other guilds trying to get on the TW map but the bigger guilds will not let them. i think it would make the game more fun if these big guilds would give us smaller ones a chance. in the lost city server, the big guilds are bloodlust and CQ, GZ, and RQ. i dont know if u guys have noticed, but there is a lot of controversey with bloodlust and CQ. everyone is arguing that these guilds are trying to take over all the territories for them self. i do not wish to start that argument in hear, but that is what i think. any way i agree that some of these guilds should take it down a knotch or two.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Like Cat said Enrage has been here for only a month. A month and a week probably and look how fast we've risen to power. It only takes 1 mistake from any of the guilds for the balance of power to shift.
@all the people saying that Enrage is afraid of Rad
tbh, no, I am not afraid of Radiance and I know that a TW against them would probably the closest thing we could ever have to a fun TW ever again. But seeing that Rad has been here for longer and have more territories (most of which are freebies) they have more flexibility than my guild does. Am I saying that we're not afraid of Rad? yes we aren't and that's for damn sure.
Enrage is Enrage, Rad is Rad, never EVER say the two are the same. Charity and I have different views on how to run a guild and grow a guild.
@everyone planning to leave their current guild for a strong guild
Stop. You're as dumb as a boot tbh. Instead of making YOURSELF strong to join the currently strong guilds, do your best to make YOUR GUILD strong and then challenge the already bigger guilds.0 -
first off Radiance is not too scared to attack Enrage. Enrage just popped on map. We have no reason to go off and just attack them because you flame in here about it or flame in game. So to bring the question back to you that asked why we don't attack Enrage...Why have you not attacked Radiance when we put ourselves right next to you?? No need to answer...most of guilds do is take land 'free' or not to gain land to gain money to gain strength to gain good TW members. Don't worry when the time is right for both guilds...Radiance and Enrage will have TWs. I would however like to TW with other guilds besides just Enrage. Just like RoC...TW was fun when they showed up but it was getting to be the same ol same ol each week and even Roc felt the same about that. Yes they were good almost 3 hour fights but it was with the same guild each week. It can get boring like doing the same quest over and over.
I agree with Clunker...Stop making just yourself strong and start making 'guilds' strong so there will be more guilds to enjoy TW.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Clunker - Heavens Tear wrote: »
@everyone planning to leave their current guild for a strong guild
Stop. You're as dumb as a boot tbh. Instead of making YOURSELF strong to join the currently strong guilds, do your best to make YOUR GUILD strong and then challenge the already bigger guilds.
Agreed, 110%. Something is said for those who fight tooth and nail to achieve something special. Sticking with a guild that is on the cusp of getting into TW, to go to one that already is a power in it. Is kinda lame IMO, and shows a flaw in character in many instances. I'd take a friend who fought at my side through thick and thin any day over some peep that just bailed on their friends in another guild to jump on a bandwagon somebody else worked hard to build.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
~Aristotle0 -
To answer your question, i think it will take at least a year to get enough 80's and 90's to fill the ranks of aspiring guilds and hopefully enable them to make some history, if only briefly. Just my assessment.
Look at Evo and Triad. They are fairly strong with a bit of land each, yet still struggle to fill their ranks with 70+ ppl, let alone 80's or 90's. I still see WC shout-outs inviting 70+ to those guilds.
The survival rate is extremely low beyond 80, and lower still beyond 90.
With more servers added, it'll be even slower. b:bye0 -
With PWI plans of new cool expansions, (or so they say) some of the ppl who reached a high level, got bored, and quit, will return. Whether they stay after that is questionable. But it is a small factor in all this too.
I seen a GM say a while back, that they have plans on increasing the level cap in this game too, so they much have some major plans incoming to us.
I refuse to accept the fact that Radiance and Enrage will hold the entire TW map forever. And nobody ever will have a chance ever. I just can't fathom that sort of thinking. If that does end up being the case, I fear for the future of the game. PWI would be wise to change things in the TW system if this will be the way the game goes. And make it so a guild can only hold so much map space. But I'd rather see us other guilds challenge them on our own and make an eventual impact in TW, than see sweeping changes being made. I guess time will tell. And hope Blanche isn't correct in his predictions.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
~Aristotle0 -
Just took a look at the latest TW map, nice job guys. Nice to see a few more guilds own some land already!
Good job![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You will never do anything in this world without courage.
It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honor.
~Aristotle0 -
Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »With PWI plans of new cool expansions, (or so they say) some of the ppl who reached a high level, got bored, and quit, will return.
Doubtfull. Those who left quite likely started on other games.I seen a GM say a while back, that they have plans on increasing the level cap in this game too, so they much have some major plans incoming to us.
When you know that to make it from level 104 to 105, you need as much XP as you needed to make it from level 1 to 104... Who cares if they raise the level cap to 130? Only an infinitesimal minority will ever reach those levels.I refuse to accept the fact that Radiance and Enrage will hold the entire TW map forever.
The fact was proven on other servers of this same game we are playing : a few guilds end up holding all the lands. There is absolutely no reason why it should be different here. And if we oook at the 3 older PWI servers we already see the pattern emerging :
Sanctuary : 2 guilds hold almost everything, except 8 territories holded by 4 other guilds.
Lost City : 3 guilds hold everything Period.
Heaven's Tear : For a time we had 4 guilds holding most of the lands. We are currently in a the end of a transitional period where a couple of big guilds fell and are in the process of being replaced by the existing and emerging big guilds. In this time, smaller guilds takes up the lands abandoned by those guilds who fell apart, but in due time, big guilds takes them up again. Currently,only 4 lands are not in the hands of big guilds... Quite likely Radiance will not attack the lands held by Ultra, Elysium and Roadkill so that smaller guilds will bids on those lands and not on their own.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »Just took a look at the latest TW map, nice job guys. Nice to see a few more guilds own some land already!
Those "few more guilds" are on the map because of the fall of RoC.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks Brit for the sig b:laugh0
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