Tailor, Manufacture Skills, etc.

Whether you manufacture gear or not is up to you. Some people do and some people don't.

The advantage to making your own gear is that it is possible to make much better items than those bought from npc's.

You won't need manufacturing skills later on if you don't want to learn them. There will always be others around to make your gear.

There are guides on how to learn manufacturing skills. Off the top of my head I don't know of any but suggest you look in the crafting section of the forums.

Sockets can be added to gear but it is very expensive. One advantage to making your own gear is that there is a good chance it will come with 1 or more sockets.

Benaniah - Sanctuary wrote: »

...**** equip because by the time a mob gets to me, he's dead....

b:pleased Great gear will let you kill even faster though, or last long enough to get the killing blow in first.

To add my two cents...

I find Manufacturin very useful! But then again I have not gone past level 22 with any of y characters.

The Apothecary - can make "Life Powder" which gives you 50HP regeneration per second for the next 10 minutes. It loses its usefulness when monsters start doing 70 - 100 damage, but between level 10 and 20 it's immensley useful.

Tailor, Blacksmith, Craftsman - You can only buy standard stuff from them. 1star equipment without any special statts. If you manufacture items you have a chance of manufacturing 2star (or higher?) equipment which has higher deefence or damage and there is a chance of the itme having one or more "magical" attributes like +MAG, +STR and so forth.

That said, You get shiney weapons for your "Call to Duty" quests and I'm not sure when and if I'm gonna replace mine with a manufactured one.

@Amour - You obviously know more than me about usage of manufacturing at high level and I won't make any suppositions.

I've just had an enlightening moment when I realised why manufacturing items is so utterly undervalued (and I don't know why it hasn't dawned on me earlier).

It's not that the items generated through manufacturing aren't good; if anything they can only be better than what you can find or buy (except for those no-star items that seem to be made on rare occasions). No what really is the reason why manufacturing cannot be, and is not, taken seriously, is because it's too bloody expensive!

This morning I poured over the material requirements for the next gear I want to make for my LA Venomancer. According to these I would need
-10 Rough Furs
-6 Orange Jade
-6 Hard Rim Muslin
-1 Lumber (for the Headgear I believe)
in order to manufacture one of each Armour item from the tailor.
The Hard Rim Muslin in addition takes
-2 Silk Threads (12 in total)
-2 Coal (12 in total)
-2Purified Oil (12 in total)
again to manufacture.

If I was to calculate the overhead costs for all this material in a very over-the thumb manner, using a guide price of 2'000 for Coal and Lumber and 2'500 for everything else, except for the Orange Jade which is neglectable, I would incur costs of 111'000 coins

erm...

That's the price of 1 gold! I should imagine a rather low one, but nonetheless!

I'm spending 111'000 on manufacturing just 1 (!) set of armour which might just turn out to be bog standard and the cost of which would amount to just over 12'000 coin if bought directly from the Tailor!

That's... that's daylight robbery is what that is!

Of course no-one's gonna manufacture their armour if they could be making that amount of money from selling their material drops! In fact I'm not convinced anymore that I want to go ahead with manufacturing my suit of armour now.

I think Manufacturing at level 1 and 2 is so popular at least to begin with because most materials are fairly accessible and not too overpriced if you really have to fork out for them. Plus at that level it really pays to do it because you can manufacture better gear so quickly, but the above stated price does not encourage you to try again if the chest plate's failed to produce even the basic 2 star enhancement.

I'm a bit gob-smacked now actually. I think I would have preferred to remain blissfully ignorant to the horrendous sums of money I was about to throw down the sink-hole of armour manufacturing, but the figure speak for themselves.

In shocked silence I close

your
Batseba

See that's the thing, isn't it.
Level 1 armour is easy and cheap enough to manufacture in quantities and has so far been satisfactory enough. Level 2 is just about ok, although the amount of Cotton Thread you need is horrendous. I have already elaborated on the costs of level 4 armour and will spare you this one.

I some point though I should imagine that manufacturing armour could come in useful again when levelling takes more than just a week between 10 levels and you actually manage to collect the quantities of material to either use or sell for manufacturing to be affordable. For that though you'd need to have levelled up your tailoring skills which, at the time you need level 3 armour is just not affordable.

I find it's better to focus on only one skill per character (well 2 skills since each character will also be learning Apothecary skill as well). That means with 3 characters, you can cover all the skills that way.

It costs HALF the price to manufacture than it is to BUY the same item, and at worse, you'll be getting the same quality as you would be buying from the vendor (unless it's a green*), green ** has a natural bonus to the base stats (armor has a + to ac and resists, etc), blue * has a bonus stat/resist/or endurance, blue ** has a bonus to base stats AND an added bonus. Manufactured items (not craftman items, like rings, etc) can have sockets as well.

I've only made a couple of items that were white(no star, therefore same as vendor) out of 6 characters that are now about level 20 each. I made two items that had 2 sockets, one was a blue*, one was a green*.

I don't buy any mats, there are lots of mat nodes if you just hit them as you adventure. Thread is a pain in the butt until mid+ teens, and then I got more than I needed to make it easily to level 3 in each skill.

The devs were actually pretty generous with available mats required for recipes if you keep up your manufacturing skills at roughly the same level as your adventuring.

Dunno if this'd hold true for all classes, but for wizard i find crafted armor better than TT. I get better p.def with minimal loss of m.def, and more choice in what other mods I'd want on the armor.

So I wouldnt say crafting is rendered useless at high lvls for anythin but forging stuff. Mods will also vary, and getting full resists on the armor is random, but in the end I prolly spent 1mil ish total to crat it all, compared to the 2mil minimum for most TT70 pieces.

I havent checked TT80+ armor yet tho, so cant say if my crafted armors will still hold out at high lvls:) But mainly added this so that people dont think "omg, crafting armor is useless at high lvl". And lastly, if one doesnt pvp, i really dont see the need to have the best armor n what not.

3star top/bottom, 2star wrist/boot
497 p.def
3215 m.def
+10 vit
+4 mp recover
+342 fire def
+342 metal def
+4 str

TT70 armor:

390 p.def
3500 m.def
+4-5 mag
+360 mp
+255 earth def
+255 water def
+2 mp recover

Omg necro...