Nix skills

I use bash as 4th skill and still have pounce. I haven't had a problem yet.

Only if you like abusing bugs.

99% of people with a phoenix use flesh ream as the fourth skill. Zoe is just stubborn.

Blade__Queen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i also will be getting a phoenix soon as im fed up with grinding so will just put so gold on,

anyway so whcih is better as 4th skill fleshream or bash?

If you PvP a lot, then until they get around to fixing it, Flesh Ream.


If you don't, then Bash.


REASON FOR BASH IN PvE: shorter CD = more damage

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Dont get bash on a nix.

Why would that be? It hits really hard, has a fast cooldown and its not broken. I find nothing wrong with bash.

PvP is about spike damage so a damage over time isn't going to cut it. Bash does the same damage just all at once. 8 second cooldown beats a 15 second cooldown.

Did I mention Bash isn't broken?

Bash doenst provide any advange over normal attacking for a nix, other then aggro. Between casting and animation you lose 2 seconds(which is 2 normal attacks) and bash is 200% dmg.

Flesh ream does hit for normal dmg on the inital hit, then is followed by the additional 200% dmg(over 9 seconds) so technically does more damage. Correct me if I'm wrong on this.

So yes it favors bash for aggro grabbing, but not overall damage.

Like I said bash doesnt add any DPS because of cast and animation. Whereas Flesh Ream as far as I can tell, hits initial dmg +200%(therefore after cast and animation actually adds 100%[basically 1 more attack] in 9 seconds) so actually adds to your DPS.

So Bash for aggro, and Flesh Ream for DPS. Unless I looked at the skills the wrong way, I could be mistaken but I think thats right b:shutup

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Like I said bash doesnt add any DPS because of cast and animation. Whereas Flesh Ream as far as I can tell, hits initial dmg +200%(therefore after cast and animation actually adds 100%[basically 1 more attack] in 9 seconds) so actually adds to your DPS.

So Bash for aggro, and Flesh Ream for DPS. Unless I looked at the skills the wrong way, I could be mistaken but I think thats right b:shutup

I've been watching my pet that has bash, and the CD on it starts as soon as it starts using it before the animation starts, and it's faster than 2seconds by at least .5 seconds. Are you sure it isn't tied to the pets attack speed?

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been watching my pet that has bash, and the CD on it starts as soon as it starts using it before the animation starts, and it's faster than 2seconds by at least .5 seconds. Are you sure it isn't tied to the pets attack speed?

I didnt mean the cooldown, but the casting/animation will make you miss about 2 normal attack in the same time frame from what I can tell. Of course I dont know exact timing.

Obviously with a slower attacking pet the impact would be less noticable, but its pretty noticable with nix's fast normal attacking speed.

So it's quite possible that Ream technically adds more dps. Of course I'm not a mathmetician and dont have all the figures, just going off what I've seen personally and I do believe theres some merit to what I'm saying.

Flesh Ream does damage over time, Bash does the same damage, yet all at once, and isn't spike damage what pvp is all about? Plus holding agro in pve is a very nice thing.

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually Flesh Ream does techically 300% dmg(Base attack followed by the additional 200%) while bash does 200% dmg. Or at least thats how it looks to me(I could be wrong I never actually counted the ticks, but thats how it looks), which is the whole bases of my argument for dps.
ie) Bash 8k || Flesh Ream 4k + 8k(over 9 s)

Bash is the same as 2 attacks worth of damage(but interupts your normal attacking[as does any petskill], making you miss about 2 normal attacks) so doesnt help you kill any faster. While Flesh Ream is 3 attacks worth of damage(2 of which over 9 seconds) for the same 2 normal attacks interupted. Or thats my theory.

ohhh sounds nice. maybe should get my golem another skill... flesh ream! b:chuckle b:dirty

btw, shouldn't OP add both skills, bash and flesh ream, and take out Pounce? b:shocked

Ran the numbers two different ways, here's the results.

Period: 120 seconds (real number of uses for each)

Bash: 200% base damage; 8 second cooldown.

Flesh Ream: Base Damage, plus 200% over 9 seconds; 15 second cooldown.

Method 1: Examining Skill Effects Only
Bash
Uses/Period: 15
Total Damage: 3000
Flesh Ream
Uses/Period: 8
Total Damage: 2400

Method 2: Examining EXTRA Damage dealt
Bash: 100% extra damage
Uses/Period: 15
Total Damage: 1500
Flesh Ream: 200% extra damage
Uses/Period: 8
Total Damage: 1600

Make what you will of it.

Either way, I think the results are good. And will work great for PVE. The thing I don't see anyone talking about though is the upcoming nerf to Flesh Ream by the New Genies in the next expansion. So even though I have Flesh Ream 4 on my Nix. I think I'm going to go for Bash to replace it here in the very near future. But I am only considering the TW and PVP usage of these skills. And could frankly care less about which is better for PVE. Either way, whatever I fight with my Nix, whether I have skill A or skill B the performance of either skill will be hardly noticable.

But thats just me. You number chrunchers most likely will see it differently. All I care is that it dies, dies, dies. If it dies in 8.33 secs or 8.45 secs, don't much matter to me, lol.

redonyou wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you flesh ream once in a 15s timespan and bash twice, wouldn't you also be getting in 1 more regular swing with flehsh ream?

Well none of us know the actual skill attack animation/casting time, so you cant technically factor it in.
Though I agree, since your not wasting time on a bash, you will get a normal hit in instead, adding to my dps claim.

Also @ foxx_trott
Even though genies will have that new Blood clott skill, Flesh ream will still probably get off 1 bleed tick beofre the person uses the skill.

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Which is the reason why I see bash now being so much better.

My opinion on Flesh Ream has been changed. And this thread helped me make that decision. /salute

Well I'm not sure, but I believe 1 bleed tick might even be stronger then the entire Bash damage(in pvp, as it is now) so it would still be beneficial to use.

Plus we dont know the blood clots cast time/cooldown, double plus dont expect genies to be out anywhere in the near future.

I'm all for bash on slow attacking pets and for aggro grabbing, but on phoenix cant see myself ever using bash...