Veno life without Herc or Phonix...

So for 66 levels, no1 told you that a crystalline magmite (level 17) from volcanic purgatory, A sawfly (level 7) from around bamboo village near Plume, and a scorpion (level 1) around city of lost are the 3 best pets in game not including nix and herc? I feel bad for you. Leveling the lowest level pets is the best thing you can do, because they get more atk/defense/hp from level bonuses than they do from already being high level. So that florafang you have sucks compared to the level 1 scorpion if you level it to 66.

Game is certainly playable without a herc and pheonix- I got a herc for farming purposes because the golem is only limited in TT but I wont be spending so much on a pheonix when my sawfly with fleshream does just fine.

Golem is the best tanker/farming/pve pet aside from the hercules, and the sawfly seems to be next best to the pheonix. To be honest I had a huggy hare at level 75.. it sucks badly.. dosent seem to be good at anything. The level 80 great dodo bear is a rare 12 hour spawn, again he isn't a particually good must-have pet.

A couple pets aside from the basic ones mentioned i'd recommend are the antelopes if you want to be cheap, they're good in TW/pvp for their magic defense debuff (instead of buying the skill for another pet). I got the Alcephalid Death Knight (found near the wraith gate) at level 70, He's great! I use him for luring/pvp(and showing off >.>) and even grinding sometimes, he has high speed+accuracy+attack and two aggro skills.

I just hit level 84 and tamed an Infernal Eidolon (Firefairy) He has high stats in speed, accuracy and attack and depending on how he goes, he may even replace my sawfly (just to be different, and he looks awesome too ).

I get tired of Rock Concerts when Venos are around. The Golems do well for tanking but their damage is not admirable. My Sharptooth Wolf I grabbed from Wolf Totem Valley out damages them at every turn. I have heard Cactopods can make for some awesomely annoying Kiters. Keep an open mind and level up your pets to see what they got. Also, I find that lower level pets worked up always beat out higher level ones for some reason. (Annoying too)

I am doing quite well without a herc or nix. My problem is that some of my pets are behind my lvl as I went through some speed lvling (started to grind for Exp only at lvl58 or so). The only difference I felt because I don't have a Herc was at TT 1-1. If a veno with Herc can solo it at lvl60, then I could do it only at lvl63 (I am LA) with new heal and TT weapon.

If you have time then tame lower lvl mobs and train them up to your lvl or buy already lvled up ones. Heard that many venos sell their golems/flying pets after getting herc/nix.

pwiplayer01 wrote: »

hmm just one question is Frog better or golem? i seen frag able to tank rattus lord and golem can't

only time that's going be true is if the frog is higher level than the golem that was used. the golem is a better physical tank hands down.

pwiplayer01 wrote: »

hmm ok... cuz i have a lvl 64 golem and he still can't tank him.. it's crystaillis

I can't remember how long I've been able to tank khewy with a golem, but it's been some time now. I know I did him yesterday a couple times and at 73 he's pie.

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just hit level 84 and tamed an Infernal Eidolon (Firefairy) He has high stats in speed, accuracy and attack and depending on how he goes, he may even replace my sawfly (just to be different, and he looks awesome too ).

i doubt u will replace your sawfly with that, it's attack power it lower, attack rate is lower, maybe it has more HP and the most annoying is that he doesn't take NPC food such as water, but i agree with u that it looks awesome and has a great speed, 10.6 i think

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The Golems do well for tanking but their damage is not admirable. My Sharptooth Wolf I grabbed from Wolf Totem Valley out damages them at every turn.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information. Golems are great tanks and have great damage. The Crystalline Magmite is one of the highest DPS pets in the game. I think as far as land pets go, only the Baby Hercules and Varicose Scorpion outdamage them, and only by a small margin.

Okay, so there are substitutes for Nix and Herc, but they are not nearly as powerful as their legendary counterparts..

Lets talk about the herc first: (at level 90, ty ecatomb xD)

HP: 4135
ATK: 2672
PDEF: 8952
MDEF: 7161
ATK-SPD: 0.8/sec

As you see, the herc has superb stats for a tank, now let us compare it to the second best tank - well the most popular one I can think of, the Crystal mag

HP: 2934
ATK: 3240
PDEF: 8792
MDEF: 5861
ATK-SPD: 0.6/sec

At first glance you see that the only stat that the crystal is better at is the attack, at almost 600 points higher - this is true, and you can prove it using math: Taking the attack speed into consideration you can do this:
HercDamage(10 sec) = 0.8*10*2672 (no skills) = 21,376
Crystal Damge is = 25,920, but damage for a tank is not the most important factor, it's the defense and HP. The HP difference is substantial at > 1k HP, but at first glance the defense stats (other than m.def) is pretty close about 200 points, but the mdef is > 1k, so its mdef is worse then that of the herc.
That was a first glance. Now, where the herc shines; the herc comes preloaded with 3 buffs.

+150% PDEF
+150% MDEF
+75% DAMAGE REFLECT

After these buffs have been applied, the m/p def rises by a lot........
This was just a comparison of the herc v.s. mag, as you can see, it won't beat a herc, but it still is a fantastic tank. I would suggest you teach it some pet skills.
Side note: It is possible to get the herc skills for the crystal mag, they are in the tuesday dragon temple event - however quite hard to get but I have seen them go on HT for 3M before, so you never know.

Comparison 2:

Nix v.s. 2 pets
Okay, so this one is a tad harder, since nix is the best PVP pet, and completely irreplaceable. However it is not just PVP, it is also great for grinding.

It's main advantages are its insane attack values attack speed and defense (I wont mention the flesh ream in fear of QQ occurring).

The only 2 pets I can think of that would be even remotely comparable to it are the Petite Sawfly and Varicose Scorpion. They have attack valuse that are only 1000(900ish) points less (give or take) than the nix, BUT have an attack rate of 0.6, so only git 1ce / 2seconds, but nonetheless hit hard.

Compare the stats
Nix:
Attack: 4096 @1/sec = 49,600(10 sec)

Sawfly:
Attack: 3297@0.6.sec = 19,782(10 sec)

Scorpion:
Attack: 3336@0.6/sec = 20,016(10 sec)

As you can see the nix is superior here as well, and also, these values don't include the buff that increases the nixies attack. But enough about boasting about the nix being godlike, here is what I would say about the alternatives.

If you PK in SP, or on land, then I suggest the scorpion, it has high attack and by all means not a bad pet, the only drawback is that it is slow and has a slow attack rate, but if you are outside, I would suggest the sawfly - I used this pet all the way to 61 before I transfered to harshlands and bought both a nix - it did wonders. And as with he herc, you can also get the nix skills for these pets although I would not reccomend it because of how slow they hit, you would not see a huge difference in damage, but the option is there if you ever want it.

Hope this helps ^.^

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

please dont bump threads for no reason, his was over 2 months old, why were you even on this thread

Well... perhaps we should take this opportunity to correct a grievous omission of fact in this thread?

"Initial level 5" turtles are absolutely wonderful pets. And you could level reasonably fast in the water with a turtle, if fast leveling interested you.

You can survive without a Herc or phoenix. Those are just pets for lazy people (I believe). I have pets that balance myself out. For typical venos their vits are low so they need high health pets to bail them out of trouble. Since my build is totally different from others, I choose the one I thought could do good for me. The Wilderness Lynx has been with me since lv11. I went without a pet for lv1-24 (I believe. XD I didn't know how to get a pet. I never talked to the pet trainer.) Anyway, he is lv74 and does just fine. His mag def is the same as his phy def. If that's not balanced I don't know what is. His hp is around 2k-3k. Hes my best buddy in the world. Sometimes I don't even have to command him to attack mobs I need @_@ which is still freaky. It's like a digipet bond or something.

You just need to choose what pet best fits you. I myself hate being the same as others so you won't see me with the same pets as others (Uniqueness is dying rapidly in this game). So just go out there and test different pets. You'd be suprised on what you find. Anyway that's my view on it.
Note: This is still a new game. Not everyone has explorered all the different pets out there.

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{=^.^=} - posted by Kittennice

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

please dont bump threads for no reason, his was over 2 months old, why were you even on this thread

The thread hasn't actually hit the two month mark, and won't for a few more days. Also, it is perfectly acceptable to post in an older thread when the intent isn't simply to bump it without adding anything of value.

I was just stating that I believe that people are lazy (let me rephrase... most venos) because they hide behind their pet and let it take all the damage.

Traditionally, that's how venos were meant to be played. Barbs and BMs can tank mobs. The "squishy" classes don't have that capability. Wizzies and Archers have knockback, stun, freeze, and sleep skills to keep mobs away from them/incapacited. Clerics can stack heals. Venos do not have either of those options. I know there are HA, LA, Axe venos, Fox venos, and all sorts, but for a traditional mage Veno, their best defensive tool is their pets. Why shouldn't we shouldn't use that to our greastest advantage. That's like saying Clerics shouldn't heal or Archers shouldn't use knockbacks.

To me laziness is letting someone take the damage for you

So Venos should just not use pets and tank the mobs? Does that apply to other classes? Are Archers and Wizards lazy since they use knockback, stun, and freeze skills? Ask any 60+ Archer and they will tell you that they are able to grind efficiently for hours without taking any major damage, but there's nowhere near the level of hate for Archers that there is for Venos.

I made a regular veno besides my Heavy and to me it was quite dull. I used a pet and hardly had to heal or do anything. I just watched as it killed things.

You went in expecting it to be boring so you made it boring. YOU didn't do anything. Sure I could sic my pet on mobs, throw a heal every once in a while, and watch as it kills them, but that's like watching paint dry. Plus, it's a slow **** way to level. I have my own magic spells, debuffs, and curses to throw on mobs. I enjoy playin my veno. Maaybe the problem isn't the class. Maybe it's that you're not suited for it.

That's why I say this. I needed something with action and risk.

Then why not roll a Wizard and get an all-class pet since according to you that's how venos should be played.

Furthermore... what is "the cube"?

You're level 77 and you don't know what the cube of fate is? And you're saying the rest of us should explore the game more?

How do u delete post, didnt know rei had posted site already.