A CC Archer?

arrowhail · March 2009

Hi everyone, I'm a newb here on the PW forums - still downloading the client.b:laugh

(And I'm hoping this isn't violating rule 19, seeing as I stay very generic)

I've been reading the stickies and what's recommended for an Archer, and I thought of an interesting idea.

I play another online game, and there is one type of bow-wielding character. We usually build one in one of two ways:

1) Long range nuker, usually doing godly damage
2) Close range, usually doing less damage but able to tank mobs

For 1), all we do is go full Agility (DEX).
For 2), we max out our dodges and evasions so we get hit the absolute least possible, and add medium-high amounts of Stamina (VIT) to take hits when they come. Then we focus on AoE attacks to handle large mobs at once.

So here's my query:

What happens if I **** all the "arrow" variations, go 3:2 DEX:VIT per 5 points, and go Close-Combat archer by maxing out Wingspan and tanking large mobs? Wouldn't even really be a tank, would be more of a stationary kite, given that in PvE Wingspan has an 8M knockback and that should be enough for my cooldown. If not, I'd Winged Pledge.

The skills I am thinking I'd raise are:

Winged Shell
Wings of Protection
Winged Pledge
Bow Mastery
Wing Span
Thunderous Blast
Other AoE stuff/Defensive or Evasion buffs if I missed any,

And possibly other passives like Flight if I had spare SP.

I'd probably imbue some Citrines and Ambers, too. Boost my dodge even further!

On another note, perhaps since I'd need to wear Light Armor, I could alternate between 3:2 Dex:Vit and 3:2 Dex:Str every two levels. Depends on the requirements - I don't like that much Strength, but if it's needed for armor, whatever - maybe I could pull from Dex for Vit every few levels if I needed it?

The same system works in the other game, so why not here?

The only reason I'm asking is because I don't have any ingame experience that high up, and if any Archers have tried and tested, does it work for you?

Minta - Dreamweaver · March 2009

evasion works only in pvp
in pve you well get as much dmg as every other class even with really high evasion
and archer don't always kill monsters before they get to them so still need knockback skills

arrowhail · March 2009

I agree, but my question was whether I could make things work close-up and not have to knock back or stun.

Thanks for your reply

Arrow

Minta - Dreamweaver · March 2009

even pure dex archer(4dex,1str) wont kill monster before it gets to him. with high accuracity you still can be unlucky and miss 5 times in a row(have happened to me before). if you don't use mana for knockback then u will spend hp pots and will have higher repair bill
i would say make those 2 type archers in one for different situations

sirxman13 · March 2009

Minta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

even pure dex archer(4dex,1str) wont kill monster before it gets to him. with high accuracity you still can be unlucky and miss 5 times in a row(have happened to me before). if you don't use mana for knockback then u will spend hp pots and will have higher repair bill
i would say make those 2 type archers in one for different situations

I think there should be better skills for an archer such as summonings summon guardian angel or summon knights

Minta - Dreamweaver · March 2009

that sounds like veno o.o

Wen - Harshlands · March 2009

sirxman13 wrote: »

I think there should be better skills for an archer such as summonings summon guardian angel or summon knights

its called a veno and they have things called pets(u can summon and heal it) :P

mbrunestud · March 2009

so u want to be able to take hits from up close, and then use aoe's to destroy mobs? sound like u should play an axe bm.

full agility is maxing dodge. also, u absolutely wont survive multiple mobs on u even with maxed out winged shell (wut i have now) and wut token amounts of hp ur vit gives. at lvl 50+ mobs hit for 300-400 depending on ur equipment, there is no way that vit will last u. this is also not to mention the massive amounts of mana spamming winged pledge/wingspan is going to cost. not viable in my opinion

Minta - Dreamweaver · March 2009

and aoe sucks
i use aoe ONLY at zhen parties or to kill some easy bosses, that skill is pretty much a waste >.>

Mosz - Heavens Tear · March 2009

ive seen heavy armor AoE Archer, it wasnt that good at what it did, let alone typical archer duties.
if you want that stuff i cant think of a good reason not to go BM

StellarAshes - Heavens Tear · March 2009

Evasion, as others have pointed out, are questionable in PvE at best. With the lack of STR to wear the proper armor (with your 3 dex/2 vit build), you will take full damage, which will kill you very quickly. If you go with your other build (which is essentially the hybrid build for archers, 3 dex/1 str/1 vit every level), you could try out your idea, and all you need is max frost arrow and level 1 knockback, and you're free to do as you wish with the rest of the points. Even if it doesn't work out for you, you could buy reset scrolls to put the vit back to dex. And as long as you have maxed frost arrow and knock back arrow, you could level up.

Still, though, you will most likely find that it's not as beneficial as you would hope. As others suggested, BM may be more to your liking. But at least if you follow the light armor path, you could switch back to being an archer.

Nnn - Sanctuary · March 2009

my personaly opinion , pure dex is the way to go

i'v been one for a while now i'v been mostly soloing sinse 1-49 (except boss quests)

anyhoo, i have had most fun with archer b:laugh

Massimus - Heavens Tear · March 2009

I think if you're looking for a possible tank with light armor and much evasion/dex, you should choose a fist or claw bm with light armor. He isn't that good at tanking, but he's doing well at close range with both types of mobs: magic and physical.

BloodCountes - Heavens Tear · March 2009

Minta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

even pure dex archer(4dex,1str) wont kill monster before it gets to him. with high accuracity you still can be unlucky and miss 5 times in a row(have happened to me before). if you don't use mana for knockback then u will spend hp pots and will have higher repair bill
i would say make those 2 type archers in one for different situations

Currently I am grinding on water mobs lvl same as mine. 4 in 5 of them don't hit me at all. All I use is frost arrow and normal hits. b:victory

ch2h5oh · March 2009

If you want a character that is excellent at close encounter with evasion and huge DPS then I suggest you play a Blade Master.

I don't know about "building" it from level, But what I do know is a guild mate of mine who has 4k evasion 5k HP and a whole lot of damage, he out DPs archers with his huge critical % he's a hybrid BM and uses axes, spear, fist and sword (depending on the type of monster he's fighting or PVE or boss raid or PVP).

Mightymouse - Harshlands · March 2009

Just cerious.... has anyone ever tried an Axe build on an archer.

3 STR / 2 DEX every level?

I was checking the stats on www.ecatomb.com and even tho I know the basic outcome of stats and damage on there is not entirely accurate to in game but it seems that the damage would be just a little less then the standard "pure archer" build.

Actually, an Axe Archer's damage would compare to that of an Axe BM. (or at least you would think) The only con I can think of compared to an Axe BM is that you dont got your stuns or multiple AoE's. But are they really necessary? I mean an Archer has range and a knockback AoE for mob grinding.

Plus, don't forget, even tho your damage would be a little less then that of a "Pure Archer", you now have the option of getting the Beserker effect on your axe. So, you might lose half of your critical rate but you gain it back with the beserker effect and have the chance to do 4x damage if you crit Zerk in the process!

And sure, you lose A LOT of damage when using a bow but you know what? A LOT of BM's use a bow to pull and as an archer, you'd be far superior for that particular job then a BM because you got your bow skills.

But idk, I haven't really looking into it that much, just read this post and thought it would be an interesting build.

EDIT: I guess I should ask if the skill Winged Blessing increases the range of all skill attacks including Winged Pledge and Wingspan while using a weapon other then a ranged weapon such as a bow? Or does Winged Blessing ONLY increase skill range when a ranged weapon is equipped?

Aesthor - Heavens Tear · March 2009

Strength archer is fail. Don't try it. The only reason you would even use axes is for stun spams, which elves don't have >_>

Gratz on 89, Mosz, sorry if I'm very late with it.

Criticalhitz - Heavens Tear · March 2009

Minta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

even pure dex archer(4dex,1str) wont kill monster before it gets to him. with high accuracity you still can be unlucky and miss 5 times in a row(have happened to me before). if you don't use mana for knockback then u will spend hp pots and will have higher repair bill
i would say make those 2 type archers in one for different situations

I am pure dex and can kill a mob before it gets to me 70% of the time really ahha, it is upto my crits and if they want to hit or not otherwise a simple low level knock back or a nicely leveled wingspan.

My advice is to go pure dex then shard your gear when your higher level with HP shards.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · March 2009

Winged blessing only increases your range with ranged attacks.

Most archer skills only work with ranged weapons.

Ranged weapons typically have dexterity requirements of 3 x lev where lev was their required level.

But someone with lots of money might take an archer with sage winged pledge and try restatting for axes?

Mightymouse - Harshlands · March 2009

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Strength archer is fail. Don't try it. The only reason you would even use axes is for stun spams, which elves don't have >_>.

Aesthor, have you ever tried a STR Archer build? Because obviously you haven't used an Axe BM. Stuns are NOT the only reason why anyone would use Axes. What do you even need a stun for when you do 8 times normal damage and 1 hit someone. Of course, that is only if can pull off a critical while getting the berserker effect while using Spark Eruption!!! ie. the reason I was curious about accomplishing this with a range skill, especially one that you can cast faster then you can swing an axe!!

And that brings me back to my question: Does anyone know if winged blessing extends the range of winged pledge when you are using a weapon other then a ranged weapon?

EDIT: Sry Fleuri, you must have been posting at the same time as me. Thanks for the advice but winged pledge is a ranged attack that has no weapon requirements so that's why i was curious about if that 5 meter range it starts with can be increased.

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