archer drop rate is horrible

colezz
colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
edited March 2009 in General Discussion
how abaut GM's changing archer drop rate... cant even grind whitout losing money.. grinding should be worth.. not losing all money what have.. pissed of that all other classes can get money whit grinding.. except archers.. grinding should be worth of it.. even +/-0.. not losing all low money what have.. b:angry
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  • Governator - Lost City
    Governator - Lost City Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    colezz wrote: »
    how abaut GM's changing archer drop rate... cant even grind whitout losing money.. grinding should be worth.. not losing all money what have.. pissed of that all other classes can get money whit grinding.. except archers.. grinding should be worth of it.. even +/-0.. not losing all low money what have.. b:angry

    L2PLAY.

    You have one of the most inexpensive classes in the game. only thing you have to buy is arrows/bolts/pellets and you make profit after that. You're doing something wrong. Too many QQ'ers in this game.
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  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    repair/arrows/pots.. need more money than get drops.. if even fight against near own lvl range mobs
  • faylon
    faylon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Repairs are a B.. too, so don't forget that. Plus archers need more healing materials than most because they are the most fragile physical attack characters in the game.

    I am an archer and seem to be gaining more than loosing, but I guess that is from how I play.

    For drops, they are a fixed percentage, and are not effected by class, or anything.
  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    in lower lvl archer get more than lose.. but something 60+ it go different.. like buy 50 mp/hp pots.... arrows 1k lowest one.. go use them.. after used.. repair/buy same amount pot.. sell dropss.. EVERY drop.. and you money is - 10-15k
  • Viriilink - Lost City
    Viriilink - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I don't know if you're using miji, or not because I don't. I make enough money from drops for repairs and mana hiero. I rarely get hit and ammunition is SUPER cheap. Please don't tell me you use the best ammunition possible.
  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    miji? i use drop arrows/lowest ones.. and still i get my money always down.. and i speak only grinding.. not anyfb/TT/other dungeons.. if even get same amount money than use.. where get skills then? games should be able to pay whit grinding.. whit npc items.. not butique items..
  • Viriilink - Lost City
    Viriilink - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    A lot of people struggle with money for skillsb:surrender
  • faylon
    faylon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    For the 60+ comment, I am over level 80 and I gain plenty grinding solo. The same goes for when I was a low level.

    It is a combination/balance of..... gears, which mob, HP/MP item used, which skills or no skills at all, how fast you kill the mob, how many hits you take per mob, etc.
  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i wasnt buy eny skills after 60.. and 74 atm.. grinding lvl73 mobs.. what hit only if i miss.. and killing them 4 hit.. and still losing money when i grinding.. not have mp or hp charm.. and wasnt buy arrows like 5 lvls.. bc frends give all arrows to me too.. only repair and pots cost more than i get drops.. something should be different in drop rates.. grinding should be profitable..
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    colezz wrote: »
    i wasnt buy eny skills after 60.. and 74 atm.. grinding lvl73 mobs.. what hit only if i miss.. and killing them 4 hit.. and still losing money when i grinding.. not have mp or hp charm.. and wasnt buy arrows like 5 lvls.. bc frends give all arrows to me too.. only repair and pots cost more than i get drops.. something should be different in drop rates.. grinding should be profitable..
    I suggest you go here and look at mobs that drop the DQ 71 items. Check them all out and see which mob drops at the highest percentage rate for each type of DQ item. Write down their locations. Go there and kill a few. Choose the ones that are easiest for you to kill to maximize your grinding. This should allow you to maximize your time and profit.

    Hope that helps.

    ~S
  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i know that using charms is cheaper.. but first need have money to buy them.. sometimes i dont even have money to do Crazy stone.. what took abaut 23k.. i hope some1 explain how that is posible whit grinding.. bc whitout grinding wasnt get lvls.. and quest give low money rewards..
  • faylon
    faylon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    save up for both an mp and hp charm, and always reserve enough to buy another.

    mp pots cost 2.25 times more than gold mp charms, and that is at 400k per charm.

    hp pots cost 1.5k more than the gold hp charms, and that is yes again at 400k per charm.

    Plus to top it off, life powders are 2k-4k and give 50 hp per second for 10 minutes, and that is 30k hp total. I use them for extra coins saved, plus my charm hardly ticks with one on.

    Yes, repairs are allot, especially if you are not using the correct gear for the mob you are grinding at. try pushing the mob away per kill for less hp taken, keep it away.

    Use less skills as possible.

    As for getting money to buy the charms, farm a few mats, or go to a spot with mobs a bit above half your level, and also a high density of mobs in an area.

    Cheers.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    [73] Evolved Serpent Soulchaser - Forest of Haze^647 397
    Sharp Tooth (44.91%)
    Tusk (16.66%)

    [72] Falcom Howler - Forest of Haze^637 489
    Flat Peach (49.39%)
    Jade Juyi (10.69%)

    [73] Elysium Fowl - south of sanctuary at 676 556 altitude 40
    Flat Peach (44.07%)
    Jade Juyi (16.35%)

    [72] Carrion Vulture - Fragrant Hills^656 595 29
    Flat Peach (49.39%)
    Jade Juyi (10.69%)

    [73] Hooded Adalwolf - Forest of Haze^662 458
    Mystical Scale (44.66%)
    Mystical Totem (16.57%)

    [72] Orchid Petali - Peach Blossom Grove^622 569
    Forest of Haze^671 484
    Ridge of the Dreaming Cloud^544 306 & 642 498
    Mystical Scale (50.63%)
    Mystical Totem (10.96%)

    [71] Strong Sori Gnawer - Forest of Haze^659 479
    Mystical Scale (56.4%)

    thats just a few quick ones. Not even the entire run of DQ71 items.

    ~S
  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i grinding that soulchasers. because of justice. but still lose money whit grinding.. and they are easy to kill..
  • Sylvini - Heavens Tear
    Sylvini - Heavens Tear Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    colezz wrote: »
    i grinding that soulchasers. because of justice. but still lose money whit grinding.. and they are easy to kill..

    Then you are doing something horribly wrong. How often are you using skills? Archer skills cost a lot of MP and you don't have a lot. Most archers I've seen/heard from just use an opener skill (high dmg to start the battle), the slow skill, and the knockback skill, with normal attacks in between. Normal attacks save you MP, which means less MP charms/pots. Also remember that you do 1/2 dmg if attacking a ground creature from the air, so it'll take twice as long to kill, which means twice as many skills and more chances for it to get off shots at you.

    If charms and pots are really costing you that much, then I'd suggest investing in the alchemy skill. You can make your own, and ones much more effective than pots, on top of a whole slew of other things. With the items that add damage, you may even find you kill things easier, and with the rarity that you should be taking hits yourself, you may make good use of those defense increasing/damage reducing items to all but eliminate the need for HP pots/charms for grinding. All of that is free with nothing more than some mat farming.
  • Osiris - Dreamweaver
    Osiris - Dreamweaver Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    are you using spells like thunder shock and lightling strike for grinding? Never ever do this. You can kill mobs easy by using water and knockback arrows. If you dealing with increased defence and increased live mobs, use winged shell. Its blocks most damage and regenerates mana.

    This is the way i grind and i rarely have to buy any potions, since there are enough potion drops. And if you have any points on vit and int, buy some point reset scrolls and go pure dex build.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    if your gear and skills will not let you solo, you should try and help someone else. If you play in a squad, your "gain per kill" will be lower but so will your costs and you should be completing fights faster which also helps you collect monies and stuff. (Of course, you might need to spend some time learning how to work well with your squad members, but this can be very worthwhile.)
  • LadyWench - Heavens Tear
    LadyWench - Heavens Tear Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    first, don't use anything other than woven fang arrows. second, don't pay for arrows. you can go to any of the noob fields and pick up lots of them for free, and also while you're grinding. people leave ammo on the ground all the time.
    you could even try out different weps to use all 3 types of ammo.

    have a different character. some classes use little to no potions, and can collect ammo and pots for your archer. at the same time, they may get quest rewards or drops that would be good for another of your characters. you can be your own best friend. b:pleased

    and as previously recommended, learn apothecary skills and gather herbs and mats wherever you go on all your characters. if you don't want to invest in upping the manu skills, a friend or faction member would likely be very happy to increase their skill level using your herbs and mats to make you things. both of you benefit....b:victory

    and skills cost money for everyone in the game, and it gets steeper as you level. :(

    and also as recommended, watch your skills usage. either invest points in increasing mana(or gear that will), or don't use the high cost skills as much
    (to save charm ticking if you have one)
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    learn To Kite Better
  • Guillk - Harshlands
    Guillk - Harshlands Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Archers is not for noobs u only grind with 2 skills colligattion bolt and aoutcold blast(dont know the name in this version) and fury thats all.... u cant be a skill spamer like the ones i already c here... the normal hit is faster and hits almost the same.. skills are only for PvE-Bosses.. buy the cheapers arrows and say to ur friends to keep them when they get drops... that way u only need to pay the wep repair ....
  • MissEbil - Heavens Tear
    MissEbil - Heavens Tear Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    My advice is to stop spending so much time complaining on the forum and try some new techniques. I have a lvl 20-ish archer and she poops money. I'd hate to see you play a BM, THEN you'd complain about having no money!
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  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    colezz wrote: »
    repair/arrows/pots.. need more money than get drops.. if even fight against near own lvl range mobs

    there's at least 2 of ur prob's there lol. an archer shouldnt have much repair because they're supposed to kill before the mob gets to them, or not very much longer after (and thats if u've ran thru ur frost arrow, knockback arrow, and whatever else there is)

    pots are EXPENSIVE! 'nuff said.

    and on my archer, last night, in not very long of a time at all i gathered the tier2 lumber and some coal and made 1000 falcon feather arrows. didnt cost me a thing and 100 of the 1000 turned out elite with double the damage bonus and critical hitrate +1%

    it would have cost me 10,000 coin to buy 1000 plain falcon feather from the blacksmith, and however much 1000 X (woven fang arrow cost) would be.

    instead of spending 10k coin on 1k falcon feather, or even spending however much for 1000 of the woven fang, i spent a little time gathering 20 tier2 lumber and 10 tier2 coal and made 1k falcon feather. presto, ammo enuf to last a good while with just time invested and +20damage to every shot. all of that without spending a single coin.

    i also dont teleport anywhere unless in a MAJOR hurry for something very important, i havent bought a single pot either and i do alright. i'm about to be doing even better because last night after making 1k falcon feather and 100 turning out elite, i decided to make all my ammo from now on :)
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
    QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
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    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=102172
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    im one of those. i dont have a second computer to set up a permanent catshop, so i have to sell what i get to NPCs, at a huge loss, and spend the time grinding that i would sitting as a catshop.
    Viriilink - Lost City wrote: »
    A lot of people struggle with money for skillsb:surrender
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  • Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear
    Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    totally missing the point everyone?

    Different classes dont have different drop rates. You're just unlucky or something (like me)
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Archers aren't that bad compare to wizards/clerics for example. Arrows are alot cheaper than spamming mp pots b:victory

    But some classes just cost more than others to grind with, and you will never make money grinding with an archer. Light amour have bad defence against both magic and phy mobs, your hp charm will tick whatever you grind.

    I have a lvl 80 veno to support my archer financially.
    I suggest you go make a veno to ^^
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    [QUOTE=TigerLily - Lost City;1948972
    But some classes just cost more than others to grind with, and you will never make money grinding with an archer. Light amour have bad defence against both magic and phy mobs, your hp charm will tick whatever you grind.

    I have a lvl 80 veno to support my archer financially.
    I suggest you go make a veno to ^^[/QUOTE]

    WTF are you serious?
    i make a minimum of 150k an hour after repairs,if im at a good spot sometimes 250k+, i GET more pots then i use, don't use MP charms, hp charm for emergencies (typically 1-2 weeks to burn it off and most that is from TT)
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Guillk - Harshlands wrote: »
    Archers is not for noobs u only grind with 2 skills colligattion bolt and aoutcold blast(dont know the name in this version) and fury thats all.... u cant be a skill spamer like the ones i already c here... the normal hit is faster and hits almost the same.. skills are only for PvE-Bosses.. buy the cheapers arrows and say to ur friends to keep them when they get drops... that way u only need to pay the wep repair ....

    I hope you were being sarcastic o.o If I grind like that I'd have a nightmare.
    Governator - Lost City wrote: »
    L2PLAY.

    You have one of the most inexpensive classes in the game. only thing you have to buy is arrows/bolts/pellets and you make profit after that. You're doing something wrong. Too many QQ'ers in this game.
    I don't really think archers are very cheap to play but...high damage = fast grind and we do make a fair bit of money off grinding anyways......
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  • Ratinax - Sanctuary
    Ratinax - Sanctuary Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Governator - Lost City wrote: »
    L2PLAY.

    You have one of the most inexpensive classes in the game. only thing you have to buy is arrows/bolts/pellets and you make profit after that. You're doing something wrong. Too many QQ'ers in this game.

    Second this. I have a crack archer for fun and I make more profit than I do on my own veno (Which is sad, might I add) so yeah. Your doing something wrong and like Governator said, there's too many QQers b:sad
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    WTF are you serious?
    i make a minimum of 150k an hour after repairs,if im at a good spot sometimes 250k+, i GET more pots then i use, don't use MP charms, hp charm for emergencies (typically 1-2 weeks to burn it off and most that is from TT)

    Wait until u cant grind fish anymore than no more 150-200k per hour ^^
    I didn't have to use hp/ mp charm either at fish and made pretty decent money per hour. Same at butterflies. But its only like lvl 78-91 when you can grind Butterflies than Fish you will get a good profit per hour.

    Than you only have lvl 97 spiders to grind on and unless u have cleric healing + purify you outside party your hp-charm will run faster than mp-charm in zhen party >.<
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    Wait until u cant grind fish anymore than no more 150-200k per hour ^^
    I didn't have to use hp/ mp charm either at fish and made pretty decent money per hour. Same at butterflies. But its only like lvl 78-91 when you can grind Butterflies than Fish you will get a good profit per hour.

    Than you only have lvl 97 spiders to grind on and unless u have cleric healing + purify you outside party your hp-charm will run faster than mp-charm in zhen party >.<

    well i kinda doubt hes 9x, but yah i dont doubt that it starts to suck at 91 to grind, 6 lvl higher mob doenst sound fun, hopefully ill find something else, seems heaven/hell mobs got extra hp or some ****, not cool.
    about the 78-91, idk i was making 150k+ an hour startin ~60, and makign a pretty penny before that

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