Can We Get A Gm On Lost City? Its Urgent
Se - Lost City
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We need a GM on lost city right now? We got another repeat of HolyHell incident. aka Fake Guild bidding on land that was bidded by another guild and they're being funded by the guild were attacking so I believe this is exactly like the HolyHell incident and believe appropriate action to be taken against the people who have contributed the money to this incident and the ones involved.
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Somehow I don't think that the leader of BI (or whatever it is), is working with BL.
Is there proof that they are being funded?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Eh? What would be the point of a fake guild? I'm new to this game...our guild on harshlands is actually gonna do our 1st TW soon. But yeah...whats the point of making a new guild to place the bid? O_O
Doesn't it do the exact same thing?0 -
Eh? What would be the point of a fake guild? I'm new to this game...our guild on harshlands is actually gonna do our 1st TW soon. But yeah...whats the point of making a new guild to place the bid? O_O
Doesn't it do the exact same thing?
To outbid another guild, so the guild owning the land can control who fights them where and when.0 -
LC QQs more then HT0
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Yeah but if you get outbid then thats you that fails right?
If you get out-bid, you don't "fail"; it just means you were out-bid. Nothing more, nothing less. When a guild gets more and more territory, they start getting more and more coin meaning they could potentially place fake bids with fake guilds on their own territories higher than other guilds can (or are willing to) place to either limit the number of TWs they actually have to fight at one time, or prevent a guild from fighting them that they don't want to fight. That gives the guild an unfair advantage, and it's cheating thus it's a bannable offense.Or is there a limit to the number of territories one guild can hold?
No limit[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I don't quite get it, are you saying a existing (legit)guild is getting funding from another guild to evade a war?
Because if thats the case I don't see why it would be illegal, its simple co-operation. Just like hiring a mercenary to do your dirty work. There needs to be a very clearcut line of what is a fake guild and whats a normal guild.
The illegal thing is to make a guild with just one person in it just to defend your own land from war's.0 -
Se - Lost City wrote: »The illegal thing is to make a guild with just one person in it just to defend your own land from war's.
What if the person in it isn't from the guild being protected?
Hypothetical Situation: If supposed fake guild hates other guild trying to bid, yet also hates the one they're trying to fight; the guy outbids. Guy goes to war alone and it's not effective, but is it illegal for the person to want to fight?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Well honestly Gm's interfering like this in the first place is kinda silly.
The game has a "loophole" and it's almost impossible to police it fairly, just like the other versions of the game ppl should just live with it.
The ideal solution is that devs change the code that in order to make a TW biid your guild must:
1. be lvl 2 or higher.
2. contain at least 80 members. (and 80 members need to be lvl 60 or more in the guild.)
Until then it's all forum complaints/tickets/and wolrd chat QQ.
To be honest the best TW system ever would be to use the system from ragnarok. For 3 hours all terr is free for all and the first guild to break the crystal gets the terrr, the crystal respawns and its FFA again until it breaks again. The last guild to own it gets the terr and gets paid ^^0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »The ideal solution is that devs change the code that in order to make a TW biid your guild must:
1. be lvl 2 or higher.
2. contain at least 80 members. (and 80 members need to be lvl 60 or more in the guild.)
Territory War would no longer be a feature of the game to be available to everyone.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
its not available to everyone anyways, why do you think in ALL the versions of this game one guild owns 80-90% of the trritories?
Only high levels get to goto TW, low lvls just die and lose horribly in 5-7 minutes.0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't quite get it, are you saying a existing (legit)guild is getting funding from another guild to evade a war?
Because if thats the case I don't see why it would be illegal, its simple co-operation. Just like hiring a mercenary to do your dirty work. There needs to be a very clearcut line of what is a fake guild and whats a normal guild.
The illegal thing is to make a guild with just one person in it just to defend your own land from war's.
Your example:
Guild A controls a territory
Guild B wants to contest that territory.
Guild A pays Guild C to put up counter-bids so that they don't have to fight Guild B.
Guild C wins, and either doesn't show, or they do show just to take a dive. Either way Guild A retains control of the territory.
It's not necessarily about fake guilds, but more about fake bids being put up by the guild controlling the territory by using third parties to do so.
I used the terminology of "fake guild" because that is blatant cheating, and guilds (either the leaders or the entirety of them) have been banned because of it in the past. But, you can replace "fake bids using a fake guild" with "bid by proxy through a third party".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »its not available to everyone anyways, why do you think in ALL the versions of this game one guild owns 80-90% of the trritories?
Only high levels get to goto TW, low lvls just die and lose horribly in 5-7 minutes.
So just because most guilds will probably lose, they're not allowed to do it at all?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »Your example:
Guild A controls a territory
Guild B wants to contest that territory.
Guild A pays Guild C to put up counter-bids so that they don't have to fight Guild B.
Guild C wins, and either doesn't show, or they do show just to take a dive. Either way Guild A retains control of the territory.
It's not necessarily about fake guilds, but more about fake bids being put up by the guild controlling the territory by using third parties to do so.
I used the terminology of "fake guild" because that is blatant cheating, and guilds (either the leaders or the entirety of them) have been banned because of it in the past. But, you can replace "fake bids using a fake guild" with "bid by proxy through a third party".
LOL if you have people teaming against you then thats YOUR lack of people skills. b:chuckle0 -
LOL if you have people teaming against you then thats YOUR lack of people skills. b:chuckle
Are you stupid or something?
We are talking about ONE guild manipulating the system in order to NOT have to actually fight to retain control of their territories effectively negating other guilds chances of taking said territories.
Does that make sense?
Let me put it another way: Guild A BRIBES Guild C (a guild that doesn't actually want the territory or is incapable of beating Guild A) to put up false bids to lock COMPETING guilds out of TW so that Guild A doesn't have to fight any TWs they don't want to thus controlling where and how many fights they have to do without losing any territory.
Let's say Guild A has 7 territories.
Let's say competing Guild B has 2 and wants more.
Guild B is just as good as Guild A, and Guild A doesn't want to fight Guild B at this time because of this.
Guild A pays Guild C a lot of coin to put up bids to prevent Guild B from doing TW on any of Guild A's territories.
This is "bidding by proxy" which is also known as cheating.
Bribing a guild to do something isn't "people skills": it's called playing dirty and cheating.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
whats your point?
Politican A wants to win ellection and pays someone to make up a lie about his compeditor. This is the world we live in and this game was designed with those factors included.
I can understand when guild A decides to make a guild Z with one alt from guild A and uses that guild to outbid guild B.
But why is it a bannable offence to ally with other guilds and use that alliance to avoid TW? Besides this only works for one TW, so they would need multiple allies to outbid multiple attacks. This would actually benefit small guilds with one or two lands and guilds that dominate with 10+ lands it wont make any difference to.
@maiya, why don't u make a better suggestion? I was mereley putting a idea out there, they could say that the guild needs 40 members maybe instead of 80.. or that it should have at least 40 members above level 30. Seriousley wth is a group of lvl60's going to get out of TW? You think its fun to get pounded into your spawn point and then lose the war 5mins later?0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »whats your point?
Politican A wants to win ellection and pays someone to make up a lie about his compeditor. This is the world we live in and this game was designed with those factors included.
I can understand when guild A decides to make a guild Z with one alt from guild A and uses that guild to outbid guild B.
But why is it a bannable offence to ally with other guilds and use that alliance to avoid TW? Besides this only works for one TW, so they would need multiple allies to outbid multiple attacks. This would actually benefit small guilds with one or two lands and guilds that dominate with 10+ lands it wont make any difference to.
ROFL that thing about the politician is NOT a good example. It shouldn't even be compared to this. You are just giving them ammo to say it's wrong. wtf.
My point to OMGLAZERZ was that why not go and try to talk to the guilds they are working with? I feel this type of thing is what the devs had in mind. Not everything is about mindless PK'ing.0 -
ROFL that thing about the politician is NOT a good example. It shouldn't even be compared to this. You are just giving them ammo to say it's wrong. wtf.
My point to OMGLAZERZ was that why not go and try to talk to the guilds they are working with? I feel this type of thing is what the devs had in mind. Not everything is about mindless PK'ing.
The guild they are working with is run by beefums. I don't even know if there are other people in the guild. If you knew beefums, you'd know he's all about mindless PKing. Doesn't mean I don't like the guy normally, but this stunt is a bit much.
I think the part that people are missing is that the bid came in right before the end of bidding time. This means that only these two guilds could bid on this land, and they could not bid anywhere else. If he had more funding/better timing, it is possible to block the larger guild out from being able to bid on tw at all.
Its not about being able to block your lands from being attacked, the issue is that you can target one guild who is attacking you, and keep them from being able to attack at all that week.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OK that thing about bidding on the last minutes...thats something for the devs to deal with. That **** happens even with the bidding on e-bay...with peoples REAL money.
But other than that small thing theres nothing wrong with getting allies to defend yourself.0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »its not available to everyone anyways, why do you think in ALL the versions of this game one guild owns 80-90% of the trritories?
Factually incorrect. Most servers (expect PvP ones) one guild does NOT own all the land. In fact, the TW there is quite lively on PvE servers.
Also, I highly doubt the guy was being funded by BLT. Fake? I suspect so, but I think he did it to irritate people, not to help BLT. Which I doubt it did anyway.0 -
OK that thing about bidding on the last minutes...thats something for the devs to deal with. That **** happens even with the bidding on e-bay...with peoples REAL money.
But other than that small thing theres nothing wrong with getting allies to defend yourself.
"that small thing" is why people get all upset over this kind of bidding. If they had bid somewhere earlier, then the first attacking guild could have easily bid on another land. By doing it late in the game, it locks the two of them in a bid war that is usually just won by whoever has better timing on placing their bid.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OK that thing about bidding on the last minutes...thats something for the devs to deal with. That **** happens even with the bidding on e-bay...with peoples REAL money.
But other than that small thing theres nothing wrong with getting allies to defend yourself.
Guild A makes an agreement with Guild C: if you will bid to prevent Guild B from entering a TW on one of our territories we will pay you X.
You would say that is a perfectly acceptable arrangement?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Ironman are good man, but sometimes he is sleeping.b:shutup[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Yup of course, its business.
It's called "perfect world" but unfortunately backstabing/lying/cheating etc etc is a big part of it. The players playing this game is normal ppl not angels.
Everyone and anyone will take advantage if given the chance, its part of the game to get ahead of everyone else by whatever means is availble to you.0 -
I don't have a problem so much with paying people to bid on your lands as much as the fact that you can tell someone specifically where to bid and when to make sure that one particular guild is unable to attack.
Since guilds can only attack once per week, this is a huge advantage, especially if its a fight that you think you will lose.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yup of course, its business.
It's called "perfect world" but unfortunately backstabing/lying/cheating etc etc is a big part of it. The players playing this game is normal ppl not angels.
Everyone and anyone will take advantage if given the chance, its part of the game to get ahead of everyone else by whatever means is availble to you.
IMHO, paying a guild to keep other guilds from entering TW when those guilds could potentially win is just the same as if a guild created a fake guild and did it themselves.
I'm not saying that is what happened at all; just saying that fake bidding by using a fake guild and paying a legitimate guild that is no threat to do the same amounts to the same thing : bidding by proxy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »Guild A makes an agreement with Guild C: if you will bid to prevent Guild B from entering a TW on one of our territories we will pay you X.
You would say that is a perfectly acceptable arrangement?
Uhhh yeah lol. It's their territory money. They can drop the money in the middle of Archosaur if they want.
Only thing thats even remotely a problem is bidding at the last few seconds. Like I said thats something for the devs to decide what to do on. Thats what you need to be complaining about...not the fact people are ****ing allying. wtf?0 -
Uhhh yeah lol. It's their territory money. They can drop the money in the middle of Archosaur if they want.
Only thing thats even remotely a problem is bidding at the last few seconds. Like I said thats something for the devs to decide what to do on. Thats what you need to be complaining about...not the fact people are ****ing allying. wtf?
Are you having trouble understanding I am talking about circumventing the system to bid on your own TW, but by using a legitimate guild to do so instead of setting up a fake guild to do so?
Do you understand now?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »Are you having trouble understanding I am talking about circumventing the system to bid on your own TW, but by using a legitimate guild to do so instead of setting up a fake guild to do so?
Do you understand now?
If a legit guild is setting the bid then there is no rules being broken. =/
Gm's will not ban people for what you are talking about.0 -
If a legit guild is setting the bid then there is no rules being broken. =/
Gm's will not ban people for what you are talking about.
I see you are simply being stubborn, and refusing to actually consider the ramifications if what I am talking about.
I never said anyone would be banned, but if it continually happened there might be action taken.
Also, circumventing the system is still circumventing the system regardless of whether you use a seperate account to make fake bids with a fake guild, or pay a guild off to do the same.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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