Are clerics really that much better than wiz?

Leonator - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have a level 23 LA wiz I still die alot and everyone says cleric is better in the long run so are they really that much better?

Both classes have thier strong points and weaknesses. Comparing classes at such a low level is futile.

Wizards will always have a higher spike damage. Clerics can approach Wizard damage in rare cases...but thier strength is thier healing/buffs. It's always give and take.

Put a Cleric and a Wiz together against a group of enemies with the initiative being on thier side? Whole lot of hurt coming down very very quickly.

Zdolnoc - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like WillFire's strategy. A wizard + cleric team would dominate against any other class in PK/PVP. As long as the cleric keeps up with the heals and throws in some of his more powerful mag atks we could drop any other class.

Ex:

A full int Veno atks the wiz/cleric duo. Let's say the wiz/cleric duo are lvl 40 and the Veno and her pet are lvl 45. As long as the wizard focused on the pet and used WoF to knock back the pet while the cleric drops Plume Shots all over the Veno it would be a done deal.

Yeah... 2v1 fights are like that. Regardless of class.

Wildstar - Harshlands wrote: »

Wizard will always be better damage dealers than a cleric. Fact of life.

Cleric:
Pros:Awesome healing spells and buffs(which the buffs are needed if you want to compare to a wizzy), physical damage spells, can fly from the very beginning and once maxed out the base wings are extremely fast
Cons:Can't compete with Wizzies in damage dealing, without investing points into buffs you'll be further weaker than a wizzy(meaning you have to choose whether you put spirit into attack spells or buffs), just as low defense as a wizard...

Wizard:High Damage, Have healing spell which allows them to be a backup healer if needed, Good self buffs
Cons: Definitely not as good healing as Cleric, only have one semi useful buff spell for squads, low defense and hp, cannot fly until level 30

Edit: Something else that may interest you though is that a cleric will usually beat a Wizard in PvP/PK and Duels. Their physical damage spells tear robe users up and since they have magic as well they are a very good/flexible class for pk if used right.

Okay so MGs have low defense you say ? How about doing maths.. anything else but robe MG sux anyway.. so fill your sockets with pdef stones + earth pdef spell which adds 150% to your physical defense. And their HP being low ? Refine your equipment and enjoy the high numbers. <-- in case your MG is about 90+ of course that's where they start to shine.

You're welcome.

acidstorm wrote: »

Okay so MGs have low defense you say ? How about doing maths.. anything else but robe MG sux anyway.. so fill your sockets with pdef stones + earth pdef spell which adds 150% to your physical defense. And their HP being low ? Refine your equipment and enjoy the high numbers. <-- in case your MG is about 90+ of course that's where they start to shine.

You're welcome.

The shield only gives 100% unless you went demon at level 89. agree with the other stuff

Something else that may interest you though is that a cleric will usually beat a Wizard in PvP/PK and Duels. Their physical damage spells tear robe users up and since they have magic as well they are a very good/flexible class for pk if used right.

Actually as a mage myself I can one shot any cleric my level or a few levels above with Blade Tempest. I can do this in duels too so I wouldn't go as far as to say that clerics are better in PVP/PK. BUT.... until you get to level 60 clerics will probably **** you in pvp/pk because they can spam heal themselves but again if its you that gets the first hit then you (the mage) will most likely win.

spirea wrote: »

Wizards suck. Don't argue with me unless you are 90+

Jeez!!!!!!! Did your char just get **** by a wizzy?
I like my wiz and my archer and view them as close to the same but i could stomp my archer with my wiz and there is a +7 lvl advatage to my archer.
Chill. Hell this IS just a game and none of the classes suck. Just the player. And even then just as in chess anyone can be lucky or luckless.

Spirea is a 9x noob mage(deamon)...

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Clerics surpass Wizards on all aspects except dmg and still the diference is small, also don't expect to beat a cleric on 1v1, you simply won't. Wizards have the earth barrier that gives max 100% item's phy def, pretty cool but Clerics have buffs that increase all def values(60%) and m-attack(70%) not to mention Plume Shell (but that's useless against mages), also Clerics have that sweet spell called Plume Shot wich does Physical dmg very fast without misses or any other problems a melee would face wich **** robes better than Archers (without crits). Then there are other things to take into acount like the variety of spells, Wizards have LOTS of spells so they don't get you bored easily, Clerics have only a few attacking spells, effective yes but only a few - many people don't mind that but that's another story. Both have sleep i think wizards have a sleep spell, Clerics have a sleep and a paralise spell aka stuns (sort of)

In duels a Wizard will always suck in compare to other classes - especially cleric. In PK everything's possible - still I'll insist that the first strike wins a PK battle when it comes to casters... the dmg is just too high even with charms.

Bottom line, it's all about preferances. I like Clerics, others like Wizards each individual has it's own tastes.
If you wanna decide what's best try both, it's as simple as that.

you're possible the most ignorant cleric i've ever seen next to mystic.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

And you the most retarted one, shouldn't you explain yourself? And get it in your freaking head Forum = exchange of opinions. Thanks for wasting 20 secs of my life. Idiot

i have no reason to explain myself. you blantantly insulted every mage saying that a cleric is better on every aspect, even though everybody knows that isn't true.

exchanging your opinion is one thing, deliberately demanding everybody follow yours as law is another. you're ignorant, now shut up.

here:

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

And you the most retarted one, shouldn't you explain yourself? And get it in your freaking head Forum = exchange of opinions. Thanks for wasting 20 secs of my life. Idiot

and here:

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

All classes can get buffs but that doesn't mean they will always be buffed non-stop, I'm reffering to Wizards or Clerics or whatever individually, alone - how else can I explain that? Is it so hard to understand?

Read my post already..

it's not that you said it directly, you implied that you are correct; that people failed to read the **** you spew. guess what? your opinion isn't always right.

actually, i never called you any names. you called me some names, .

that's then, this is now. i haven't called you anything in this thread, you're insulting me. everything i said was a direct response to your stupidity, if you're going to try and bring it up again, i'll do it again.

cleric fight in mage turf..

stop spreading your influence on us b:cry

Mikel_oru, I appreciate your opinion but I have to say that you must explain your opinion other words and in other terms and not like that...
Specially if you DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA about mage. Of course yousaid that mages have earth barrier iwhc may double phsyyca defence...everyoby know that bc that is at lvl 9...
I am still amazed you are aware about the sleep spell..the sleep spell for mages may need 20 apocalypse pages but guess what, that spell is instant!!! so clerics dont have time to do a plume hot in duel if the spell is learned...Not to mention theundine strike wihc already can reduce the earth-water-fire resistence by 60% for 12 secs and can be spammed!!! And the balde tempest can 1 hit any robe users 1 hit even without the undine strike.... Oh and did I forgto the lvl 100 skills for mage?? If you want to say something about that you should learn that one too before you say anyhting that you are so sure that clerics are better. Manifest virtue which increase teh attack rate on the weapon according the max MP( 100 MP = +1%) and mages have far more Mp than any class with the wlesspring skill can increase for 60% the MP and at lvl 100 they may get 18,000-20,000 MP I say...so that is about 180-200% more...and lasts 30 secs the Manifest Virtue...
Of course how can yo know this...you only saw lowbie wizards which died in 1-2 hits...But try facing a lvl 100 wizard and you see they can be strong..I didn't mentioned the other 100 skill bc I never saw it and teh secription does not show direct things..may be better or not that good...Of course I heard clerics have more survivability at lvl 100 but still they can be killed not much harder than mages...