question | charms - fac cleric

First off, Full Int Attack Clerics are not completely useless. Full Int Attack Clerics are actually a decent build in PVE, as long as your armor has +vit/+hp or +pdef. There are "Hell levels" for a Full Int Attack Cleric- mostly around lvl 15-20 ish and its because of your low HP. However, you can pass those levels without too much pain as long as you have life powders and you pay attention.

Venomancers, however, are the winners when it comes to Soloing. (They also make lots of money >=D)

To sum it up, Full Int Attack Clerics are better at soloing than a support oriented cleric because the focus is on killing the mob as fast as possible, and the heals that Full int attack clerics have keep them alive if case any mob does get within striking distance of you. (If you get ambushed, then your screwed and you better have a great escape plan or a great emergency procedure to save your life. XD)

jaa,
sano

merulz wrote: »

Venomancer is the best solo class

True

, and a FAC will be useless at higher levels.

False

Venomancer - best solo class (a very minimal amount of things clerics can do venos cant)

FAC = second best soloer - my opinion

Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think even with a maxed plume shot and cyclone for your level, regardless of whether you are FAC build or not, clerics can solo pretty much 1-40 without major issues. And yes, that includes bosses around the levels you get the quest [with the exception of Krixxix and the fbs, and Dismal is debateable]. All it takes is good mana management and knowing when to use ironheart.

Krixx is child play at lv40b:cute

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

false. fighting is fighting, just because we can heal doesn't mean clerics are best at soloing. blademasters, barbarians, venomancers, and wizards, all can heal themselves.

While other races can heal themselves, Clerics have a strong heal that pretty much recovers all of their HP within a couple of seconds. Yes, the other races have pots and chaos powders and what not from the apothacary, but those items also have a cool down period.

Any class is pretty good at soloing- all what matters is how good is the person playing it. As already stated, Venos are the best, mainly because they have their pet to tank instead, they can multitask and kill things simultaneously pretty early in the game (and without resorting to AoE attacks) and they rarely get hit so they don't have to use a lot of pots or constantly meditate.

Full Int. Attack clerics have a pretty good soloing ability, provided that you don't get ambushed.

jaa,
sano

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

...Thats not a FAC.. thats a lazy cleric who refuses to grind and gather spirit points. FACs will be a main healer in a squad too, if nessesary. I am FAC but I feel safer when I am in charge of main healing even tho my attacks surpass everyone. (Also my heals surpass others since my base magic attack is higher as FAC) The ones that dont tend to the heals are BMs disguised in cleric skin >_> either ignorant or selfish. Its the same as a BM saying they will never ever EVER tank anything cause their SUPPOSE to be a DD... but in reality, they are pretty versatile.

no, that's a fac. a fac is a "full attack cleric". did you read these guides? you're just a cleric. a full int cleric, like myself, so our heals are even(assuming you and i have the same level in our heals). a fac will never be a healer, they attack, that's all they do. i've met facs in game, they really mess up good tt/fb runs when we think they can heal.

you try tenticle with 1 squishy cleric and 1 random plume shotting, it doesn't look nice.

and, honestly, at 81 your heals and attacks should all have a good level on them. spirit-wise, your level has that area locked down. don't call yourself a fac, the only thing you do is make yourself look like an idiot saying it. you're a cleric, nothing more.

Wow...you guys are crazy.

A FAC means that you put minimal amount of strength for items and everything else in to magic. That means your attack is much higher than other builds and so your heals are stronger since they are based on attack. Having a lvl 10 ironheart is not so difficult, I am a full magic cleric and I heal constantly in FBs and Bosses. I have enough hp to not die from an AoE attack and potions in case I need a quick heal.

I dont understand how a cleric with insane attack and lvl 10 heals will not heal as well as a cleric with lower attack, that is just stupid.

You guys know nothing about playing a FAC, it is super versatile, a cleric is not supposed to be a tank or have lots of hp, hence they get 10 hp per vit. Get some +hp equipment. If you add +1 to all your equipment at lvl 60 you will probably gain the equivalent of 20 vitality at a minimal cost. +2 and it is 40 and so on. Seriously, FAC are awesome in FBs, we can both heal and DD as needed and with high m.attak and plume shield if needed we can take care of ourselves.

Its not the build it is the player that suck

*cough* *cough* .........

Forp, I'm just posting for clarification: you believe that Full Int Attack Clerics (who level their heals and buffs as well) are fine as long as they have max plume, cyclone and a heal, right?

What you are against are clerics that put everything into mag, the minimum for str to get weapons and only max their plume, cyclone and DEbuffs and do NOT have heals...right?


Could you just clarify, Forp? This is all in complete respect and I just want to know what argument is really going on here. Thanks for your time!

jaa,
sano

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

god you're stupid.

Thanks for proving my point. You can't address the issues, so you call ppl names. Nice.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

why do you always say full int? attack is fine, as long as they level their heals respectively. unlike "full attack" clerics, they're useful. maxing your main attacks is common sense. people who lean towards support do it as well.

no, i have absolutely no issue with full int clerics. hell, i AM a full int cleric. in my eyes, either than or vit build is the only way to go.

the people who only level their attack skills and debuffs, thinking it makes them better and that it's only exclusive to them is what i dislike. that's the core plan behind a "full attack cleric" - ignore the heals so you can attack. people don't seem to be able to see the "full attack" part of the build.

It seems that you're the ONLY person here who thinks that "full attack" means that they ignore all the heals. Even in the face of overwhelming opposition you dogmatically hold to your position. I bet you'd think you won an argument with a stop sign wouldn't you?

I DO see the "full attack" part. But I also understand that even while keeping my attacks maxed for my level, I have enough SP to level Ironheart and some buffs occasionally. (By the way, I'm not FAC)

I also understand that while keeping my attacks maxed for my lvl, I STILL get hit occasionally. It's unavoidable!

So, I'm full INT, I have good HP/Pdef (for a cleric, at least) with equipment and stones, etc. and I have excellent magic attack but I have to rely on my heals to stay alive. I do every bit as much damage as an FAC at my lvl, therefore an FAC absolutely MUST level at least some heal to stay alive. Otherwise they'd stay dead more than they'd stay alive.

Simply put, even FACs level ironheart.

Any FACs want to comment?

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thanks for proving my point. You can't address the issues, so you call ppl names. Nice.

You are also a moron

nice.

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It seems that you're the ONLY person here who thinks that "full attack" means that they ignore all the heals. Even in the face of overwhelming opposition you dogmatically hold to your position. I bet you'd think you won an argument with a stop sign wouldn't you?

i've read 3 "fac" guides, all of them say to avoid heals, only getting revive to level 1.

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I DO see the "full attack" part. But I also understand that even while keeping my attacks maxed for my level, I have enough SP to level Ironheart and some buffs occasionally. (By the way, I'm not FAC)

a fac doesn't raise iron heart with spare sp, he waits until he can level things like debuff and his attacks in later levels(which is not exclusive to a fac, a fac believes that only they can level their attacks and only they can level their debuffs).

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I also understand that while keeping my attacks maxed for my lvl, I STILL get hit occasionally. It's unavoidable!

the theory is that, when properly debuffed, every mob will die in 1-3 hits(no it wont. a normal mob has such little defense that debuffing it wont affect your damage for more than 100 points). they're basically weak wizards.

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So, I'm full INT, I have good HP/Pdef (for a cleric, at least) with equipment and stones, etc. and I have excellent magic attack but I have to rely on my heals to stay alive. I do every bit as much damage as an FAC at my lvl, therefore an FAC absolutely MUST level at least some heal to stay alive. Otherwise they'd stay dead more than they'd stay alive.

i'm full int. i have low defense but good hp. i have maxed my plume shot and cyclone. my wield thunder is level 5. my tempest will be leveled when i max my mastery. i out damage facs but, unfortunately, i leveled all my heals and buffs as well, so i'm a support cleric now. god that makes sense.

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Simply put, even FACs level ironheart.

false.

Imuretay - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Any FACs want to comment?

there's no such thing.

thewordlesssignature wrote:

So, basically Forp, you look at FAC's literally by their name: Full Attack Cleric, right? But if FAC's mean that you don't get a heal, then I doubt anyone here that is arguing against you actually has that build. Every cleric has a heal. If not, they would have played a Wizard.

the name had nothing to do with it, the guides did. i just can't say "this guide" to prove my point as well as the title of the build. simply giving it the name full attack fits it anyways, it's designed to ignore your heals and level your attacks, debuffs and seals. that's the point in it.

thewordlesssignature wrote:

As I've said in another thread, the reason why I'm calling myself an Full int Attack cleric is because people are taking the name FAC too literally. Most people that claim to have an FAC build also have a heal. So the "Full Attack" in the name is null. Basically, we are full int but are geared towards attack, but it doesn't mean that it is all we do.

"full int attack cleric" doesn't mean anything. you're a squishy cleric that raises the same skills as everyone else(cyclone, plume shot, iron heart). there's no changing that, unless you're a fac, and you switch out iron heart with elemental seal.

thewordlesssignature wrote:

I get what Forp is saying- we aren't full attack, because we have a heal. But our priority is to deal damage but not at the expense of our squad. This is why we picked a cleric instead of a mage- we can easily switch to an emergency support cleric if we need to. Being able to deal damage while still being able to heal your squad-that is why most people go "FAC", even though the name doesn't really match what we do.

i've, unfortunately, met facs in game. yesterday actually. i was in a fb69, me and another cleric. seemed easy, he was 76 with a mold weapon. got to the first boss, easy boss, i figured he was just attacking since it doesn't require 2 healers for this boss.

next boss rolls around, axe falls onto the tank and i purify. tank is taking unreasonably high amounts of damage - i couldn't figure out why our heals weren't enough. look to my right to see his stupid **** spamming plume shot. i tell him to heal and i got the dreadful answer of "i can't, i'm a fac". lovely. tank had to use tortoise twice to save his life. the fac didn't even have soon, the light. so i had to heal the squad with it on occasion, which put the tank is risk of his life.

****ing fac.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

look to my right to see his stupid **** spamming plume shot. i tell him to heal and i got the dreadful answer of "i can't, i'm a fac".

...That's just an idiot. -_-;

jaa,
sano

FAC is seriously a horrible name.


Truly being a FAC is stupid.

No clerics are Full Attack.

The name is what most people I find are against. You play like any other pure int cleric and because of that guide idiotically named, there are always these random stupid arguments.

shield wrote: »

I'm not trying to tell any one of you what your role should be. Go find the original guide to FAC's.
http://cayeon.my3gb.com/FA_EP_Guide_PW-INT/FA_EP_Guide_v3.4.PW-INT.pdf

FAC is more a state of mind and style of play than a build.

In most instances, it is assumed that a cleric will have heals and be capable of a high level res. To find out by surprise that one of the few FAC's has sneaked into your FB\TT and that you don't have a primary cleric with full buffs\heals\res is a NASTY surprise. If you are a FAC it is YOUR responsibility to tell the party, not vice versa. Your a minority. Generally if the party knew you were a FAC, then you wouldn't be in the party.

Per the original guide it is understood that you will have EXTRA skill points availabe, that ARE NOT to be spent on party heals or res. Not that the build doesn't allow for it, but the play style\mind set does not.

Just having a maxxed attack isn't enough, you also have to be a **** head.
(Been waiting 80 levels to say that.)

From the guide you posted (bolding mine):

Regeneration Aura (also called Blue Bubble): It reduces the damage taken by enemies and constantly heals everyone who stands within its array, so it

shield wrote: »

BB would only be used for Zhen for fast experience....cool as it is if the FAC deigned to use it, it still doesn't replace a primary Cleric spamming IH.

Actually it's quite useful in TT as well. Some of the AoE bosses will murder the entire party without it.