Cotton Thread for High level Players??

Aluviell - Heavens Tear
Aluviell - Heavens Tear Posts: 45 Arc User
edited March 2009 in The Crafting Nook
Greetings all!!

I am inbetween stages on my armor making. I still need Cotton thread. I am level 25 and I am having a heck of a time trying to aquire cotton thread from any of the tortises, the lynx, grimalkins or emancipated traitors or pyrogoths!

Is this because I am a higher level now? What can I do to get cotton thread without having to buy from someone's shop which usually charges 1000 a pop. The armor you make with that isnt worth the thousand you pay for it!

Any wisdon appreciated.
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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited November 2008
    besides set up shop adn buy or check AH here is the list of mobs
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/810
    so try the ursogs
    some seem to be higher lvl then what you targeted and therefore the drop rate will be a bit better, but yeah it does seem to go down if the monster is green /dark green, thankfully those will all be easy kills for ya
  • Aluviell - Heavens Tear
    Aluviell - Heavens Tear Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited November 2008
    Wow thats a long list thank you very much!!!b:laugh
  • aguleo
    aguleo Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    hi! try near timberfield kill demonic and other mobs near have luck :)
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    If you need to harvest low-level drops for your crafting, and you want do do this by playing your character (instead of through trading or by playing an alternative character), I think you should team up with low level characters.

    I do not really understand how this game makes its drop frequency decisions, but I have been told that if the low level character gets the first hit on a low level monster that the monster's drop chances improve. (But, for example, maybe that would be because when they get the first hit they also tend to do a good part of the total damage?)

    Not only that, but sometimes your low level squad-mates appreciate your help and would like to help you in turn and maybe even have some extra cotton thread that they would be happy to give you. (I have found myself in this kind of situation often enough -- where people just want to give me things -- that I like to make an effort to also give them something that they might find useful. I do this because I feel better than when I forget to give them something, but I also think that keeping things positive can be nice for the long run.)

    And... I have been wondering if some people have been ruining their drop chances when they they run Call of Duty quests but keep their tab holder away from combat. b:puzzled (I had a friend telling me about how bored she was, the other day, when her squad had this sort of "just stay out of the way" attitude.)
  • Amiris - Sanctuary
    Amiris - Sanctuary Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I do fb's under the assumption that the last hit influences the drops. When I'm solo'ing fb19 with a tabholder, I let that tabholder get the last hit in. So far, the results have been pretty positive.
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  • deshin
    deshin Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Even though it is costly to buy from people who gouge for thread it still your most cost effective option. Of course do not pay more than you could if you buy gold at the AH and then buy thread from the shop.

    Even though you can take a lot of time to grind low level mobs yourself in that time you could get a lot more coin grinding mobs at your level.
  • Metraze - Sanctuary
    Metraze - Sanctuary Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Actually, the most cost effective is to open up your own shop.

    You can easily buy the Cotton or whatever mat you need at 1/2 or even 1/3 of the cost you'd get it in other player's shops. And at the same time, sell any mats/dq/whatever that you don't need to pay for it.

    The only pain is that you have to leave your computer running while you're away - I really don't know why they force you to do that. Though note that you can at least Alt-Tab out to reduce the CPU usage - hence power consumption.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I do not have enough information to meaningfully agree or disagree with your ideas of cost effectiveness. However, I feel that sometimes "most cost effective" and "most fun" have some differences between them.

    b:mischievous
  • Metraze - Sanctuary
    Metraze - Sanctuary Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I do not have enough information to meaningfully agree or disagree with your ideas of cost effectiveness. However, I feel that sometimes "most cost effective" and "most fun" have some differences between them.
    Well, everyone will have their own idea of what's "most fun" of course ... but to me, grinding on mobs more than a few levels below you isn't any fun ...

    I believe deshin's point was simply that grinding on mobs your own level will yield more valuable drops, which can be put towards buying the cotton you need. (And in the process, getting you a lot more EXP/SP). And personally, I would find that "more fun" than grinding mobs below you just because they drop Cotton.

    As for my point about setting up a shop - I don't find sitting in a cat shop any fun, freely admit that ... but are you playing 24/7? The idea is setup the shop, Alt-Tab out, and go do something else (whether on the computer or something else entirely).
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I agree with you about how different people have different kinds of fun.

    Personally, I like helping other people when my doing so makes them happy, and I also like fighting lower level monsters because that seems so relaxing to me and I almost never need to be using consumables, except ammunition, to fight them. But ...

    I will trade for something when I have a good idea of its prices and when I really need something, or when I made a mistake in my pacing of my other activities or that kind of thing, and I suppose that some day I may put up a consignment shop. But spending coins does not help me understand how to play this game, and I already spend them fast enough on other things that I want.

    I am not sure that your point about acquisition rates would be accurate in my case -- with my character's skills and my own approach to game play and so on. But even if your point turns out to be completely accurate, I am not sure if that really matters to me.

    I am not trying to argue with you here, and we seem to honestly have very different concepts of fun. But you also seemed to be expressing some curiosity about my point of view.

    b:cool
  • Metraze - Sanctuary
    Metraze - Sanctuary Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I also like fighting lower level monsters because that seems so relaxing to me and I almost never need to be using consumables, except ammunition, to fight them.
    I can understand that - it is nice sometimes to fight something where you don't really need to be concerned about drawing aggro, just for a break ... it's just not something I enjoy for long. As for consumables - I rarely use any regardless - just the occassional Focus Powder (which I make myself).
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am not sure that your point about acquisition rates would be accurate in my case
    The point is two-fold - fighting mobs more than 5 levels below you reduces the drop rate. And higher-level mobs drop more valuable stuff. Of course, if there's mob's close to your own level that drop what you're looking for, it's a different story ...
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am not trying to argue with you here, and we seem to honestly have very different concepts of fun. But you also seemed to be expressing some curiosity about my point of view.
    Same here ;)

    Honestly, I started off similiar to you - I never bought mats from shops, because it seemed like such a waste of coin when I could get it for free. But eventually, grinding for mats just started to get too tedious. It's not so bad just getting a few ... but I'd generally be wanting like 20 or 30 mats ... and with the drop rates, that would require something like 150 mobs ... :O

    So I started the shop route, and haven't regretted it. I sell lowest-level mats and DQ items that I don't need. And at the same time, I buy the low level mats that I do need. And then I can go ahead and fight whatever mobs I feel like - sometimes that is a mob that drops a mat I'm looking for, but more often it's just what I need for a quest.

    Anyway, that's my take on it. Though I do wish they'd make some major improvements to the Auction House - I'd much prefer that concept over the player shops, just not how it's implemented right now.
  • Corryx - Sanctuary
    Corryx - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Just checked out http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/810 and yes that is a very useful list.

    But as my main (veno) is lvl 40 its not going to be a viable option to grind for cotton. And as for money I am struggling to get enough for veno & pet skills even though veno is meant to be richest class!!!! (Dying and losing a few thousand + most of water for pets doesn't help!)

    However help is in the wings, and maybe this is an option for other people: I have some low lvl characters including a low lvl veno for trying out and levelling new pets. And she is at right level to get cotton. Then I either have to find a friend to transfer via or spend 500 send a few dozen by PWI post.
  • Deerie - Heavens Tear
    Deerie - Heavens Tear Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Corryx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just checked out http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/810 and yes that is a very useful list.

    But as my main (veno) is lvl 40 it isn't going to be a viable option to grind for cotton. And as for money I am struggling to get enough for veno & pet skills even though veno is meant to be richest class!!!! (Dying and losing a few thousand + most of water for pets doesn't help!)

    However help is in the wings, and maybe this is an option for other people: I have some low lvl characters including a low lvl veno for trying out and levelling new pets. And she is at right level to get cotton. Then I either have to find a friend to transfer via or spend 500 send a few dozen by PWI post.

    500 and an ~hour wait isn't bad at all, considering most player shops gouge the mess out of the mat prices. Seriously -- 1K for an item that NPCs would only pay a few hundred for? Terrible.

    I have noticed that low level mats drop decently if you are grouped with low level characters. For the past few days I have been helping a friend run quests (he's a cleric -- you know how long it would take him to solo). For fun he made a new Barb and I waited for him to hit level 10. I then joined his group and killed a bunch of mobs for him. Within two hours he had completed the rest of the City of the Lost quests (had six or seven from City and Broken Bridge) and I had around 20 cotton. This would cost roughly 20k buying from players.

    All the mobs he needed were dark green to me. Being that I'm only lvl 36 may have something to do with the drop rates being decent, more likely it was having a low level friend in the group. One thing I know for certain; even using consumables and the Soul Transfusion / Metabolic combo to keep the killing spree going, I know I can't make 10k/hr just by killing mobs my level.

    P.S. I'm very mean to my pet. Once its loyalty hit 999 I figured it was a waste of food to feed it every time it went green. I usually let it get to yellow or red before I feed it back to normal. It does save a little bit of cash and I haven't noticed any difference in its fighting skills.
  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you need to harvest low-level drops for your crafting, and you want do do this by playing your character (instead of through trading or by playing an alternative character), I think you should team up with low level characters.

    I do not really understand how this game makes its drop frequency decisions, but I have been told that if the low level character gets the first hit on a low level monster that the monster's drop chances improve. (But, for example, maybe that would be because when they get the first hit they also tend to do a good part of the total damage?)

    I'm still confused on this matter too.

    I was grinding trying to get rough fur and could not get it. However, I offered help to several low levels and ask them if they could give me the rough fur we got (I said, I would help them anyways regardless of the fur)

    we got rough fur. I did this with two different squads and worked fine.

    However, I tried to repeat again with other low levels and did not work. The only difference I noticed is that the people I helped initially were doing quests in which they needed to kill those mobs while the other players were just grinding. is this a clue? IDK.

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