FAC, complete nonsense build?

Full attack clerics (FACs) are almost completely useless, and I will leave it at that.

To try to explain something, cause this is getting old.
You can build you cleric as you please so there are few types.
Support-Hybrid-Attack
Every build has its own lill benefits, but to not prolong this.
FAC's have iron heart and purify and saying different means that you hold on a thin line thats the name "full attack", well some one gave this build that name but his description wasnt to let go of healing or buffs.
Having iron heart maxed and purify is a must for any cleric build + spirit's gift and magic shell helps grinding allot.
Now stat build is irrelevant for this discussion. Only difference are the skills and the priority you take.
And ofc after having the essentials maxed (iron heart, plume shot, cyclone)
FAC's go for other attacks that the game developers so gladly gave.
Its a valid build, and sure isnt useless.
Calling on situation FAC's can heal or be good dps'rs.

And later on when your skills eventually max cause you have enuff spirit
comes the demon/sage. Now question is, are there any difference in Hybrid-Support-Attack?
I would say yes, cause getting those skills is hard and you wont be getting it all fast, so again what you will get depends on what you find useful and how you want to play.

So only real set back is that FAC's dont look so cool when they buff (no cool effects of AoE buffs)

And for thoes who will include res in this.
I personally wont lv up it never, ppl dont show gratitude even whey the loose only 50% of possible loss. On other hand we have to go to town and save them? we loose all exp and not all buy angels just for that soul purpose.

"full attack" is "full attack". that's the point. your guide writer stated that clearly, he ignored heals. level 1 revive for sticky situations. 1 level of purify for poison aoe grind. your guide writer was an idiot and anybody who follows the build is the same. i have all the attacks and debuffs of a fac and twice the heals, who's more useful?

Every time this topic comes up, there seems to be confusion as to the definitions of "full attack" and "full support" clerics.

If we are taking FACs to be clerics that only spend spirit on offensive spells, and FSCs to be clerics that only spend spirit on buffs/defensive spells etc., then the truth is that neither is very viable. You cannot solo at all with no attack skills, and you'll be leeching off parties from the very beginning...which isn't too fun--not to mention very difficult to level. FACs, on the other hand, usually won't get invited into parties [no heals] and will find themselves soloing the entire game. Which is fine, I guess, if that's your type of gameplay. But a lot of higher level activities are based on parties, i.e. FBs for lower levels, TT runs for mats, and zhen parties if you care to level quickly.

However, some people view FACs as clerics who focus on attack spells but also get buffs, and try to carve out their role as an attacker rather than healer. Likewise, FSC clerics take support roles in parties but can also solo on their own, having a few attack skills under their belt. In my opinion, both of these are essentially the same. A cleric is a cleric; if you have both buffs and attacks you are capable of taking both roles. Of course we are going to need plume shot and cyclone for soloing [and clerics can be quite good at soloing], but he fact is that in parties, clerics are expected to heal primarily rather than attack. As long as a FAC knows that he or she is going against traditional role and because of that options for partying may be limited, then it really doesn't matter. Calling yourself an FAC if you use buffs and heals is really not "full" attack anyways.

whatever his name is that wrote the guide claimed that, in order to remain "full attack", he never leveled his heals, revive, aoe buffs, etc. even at level 86. why? because he likes being useless. do you like being useless? i'd hope not, useless people don't go far.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

whatever his name is that wrote the guide claimed that, in order to remain "full attack", he never leveled his heals, revive, aoe buffs, etc. even at level 86. why? because he likes being useless. do you like being useless? i'd hope not, useless people don't go far.

Yes that guide has fails all over it, but again dont do what ever you read.

I'd classify you as rich, Forp. b:chuckle

Forp - please keep in mind that I said USUALLY, the hybrid cleric is weaker than a "pure" build. I'm one of those too, who can run around with both (useful) heals and attacks at the max level I can get them. b:laugh

Enina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Forp - please keep in mind that I said USUALLY, the hybrid cleric is weaker than a "pure" build. I'm one of those too, who can run around with both (useful) heals and attacks at the max level I can get them. b:laugh

I'm the same way, Enina. I have Ironheart Blessing maxed, and I even bought Blue Bubble. That's enough supporting skill to get by in 95% of circumstances. But I solo a lot, so I need my attack skills at high levels. Great Cyclone and Plume Shot are maxed, and Wield Thunder is as high as I can get it. The rest of my skill points go into Metal Mastery and my buffs.

I'm a healer-attacker hybrid, and I like it that way! I do anything and everything my guild needs, and I can solo my own quests. It doesn't get much better than that!

...Maybe the name FAC should just be null because people seem to take it too literally. Like so many people have already stated, FAC just means a cleric that took attack as their priority. It doesn't mean that they don't use heals at all because that ruins the purpose of being a cleric, rather than choosing the wizard. To me, it seems the OP has asked a question based on the literal name of Full Attack Cleric.

I propose that people who want to refer to a cleric that has attack as priority and a full int build as just that: Full Int. Attack Cleric. All this nonsense over "Full attack clerics" is getting kinda ridiculous...and I'm playing a so called "Full attack cleric".

So far, judging from other people's posts, people who play "full attack clerics" play it for the high mag benefits and its versatility, and they have these basic things: Plume shot/Cyclone/Ironheart Blessing are all at lvl 10 with a revive/ purify skill at lvl 1.
These skills are basics for every cleric- the question is whether to spend SP on buffs or debuffs is up for the player to answer.

Personally, if a person wants to play a cleric that really has no heal spells/ buffs/revive and focuses only on the debuffs and attack spells...then I can tell them they are justified being called an "FAC" (and getting laughed at) and also tell them to just roll a wizard. =p

I would like to call an end to this thread for 3 reasons:

1) The original post asks a question about a build that I'm pretty sure no one has (a cleric with absolutely NO HEALS. (Not even Ironheart Blessing (which is absolute ridiculousness))).

2) A solution has been presented: "FAC's" should just be referred to Full Int attack cleric.

3) This thread will (and has to an extent) already turned into an argument about Full Int Attack Clerics, (which has already been discussed many times in other threads).

If anyone has any other solutions or disagrees with how I referred to "FAC's", then please post your opinion. But for sure, I'm just going to refer to my self as Full Int Attack Cleric to avoid any more arguments. DX

jaa,
sano

even i'm getting tired of people slamming full attack cleric, and i only read the first page of this thread, AND i only saw the first one of them yesterday.

i seen, with my own eyes, a cleric that was 4-5 levels below the lv50 flying mob above bamboo village. it was soloing those level 50 mob without even as much as a spitwad contributed by anyone else (neither in firepower or heals).

the most remarkable thing was that the cleric's armor and weapon were all one star white name plain jane equipment bought from the blacksmith. nothing 2-3 star, nothing green name, nothing legendary, and at least all the main equipment was a minimum of 7 levels below the lv50 mob.

but that lv46 cleric could lay waste to those lv50 mobs. he might not be what the ignorant masses think of as "full attack cleric" because he had buffs for +3MP/sec, +3HP/sec, and others (inc def, inc mag def, inc mag atk) but those are likely just single buffs.

anyone of you who sit and insult, even near the brink of cursing "FAC"... have you even seen one in action or had an open enough mind to consider the possibility that there are different ways to build a cleric, just like any other class?
i dont see things cursing archers for having a bit more strength than a pure dex build... i dont see threads cursing barbarians because they have a lil bit of dex... lay off the FAC's and give 'em a chance. i'll bet you'll be suprised.
sure, they may not have all the heals that YOU want, but was your character built the way it stands based on what others want? i think not.

and if any of the ignorant critics had read the guide to FAC, they would have noticed that it is not an iorn fist guide to FAC as he stated that it is a guide for a different kind of cleric, but the choice on what to do is solely up to the player, he only shows a way to a different build.

so they dont have higher than level 1 revive and the AOE heals... thats not what someone FAC built their character to do anyway. they built it to be one of the best DPS dealers in the game. it could also be thought of as a combat medic, placing priority on combat. removing a threat before trying to help me, and i would want it that way. what good is a medic to me if he cant shoot the guy that just hurt me?

i think of clerics as a build based on fighting and dealing damage, with the ability of their reduced healing skills as a means to patch you up till the main "support" cleric can really fix ya up. and if their lower level revive (whatever THEY decide to do for revive, as its THEIR character not yours) isnt enough for you, then you shouldnt have got yourself killed in the first place, or you should have had a support cleric with you.

FAC's are not a waste, and they are not ****, nor any of the other negative nearly personally insulting things they've been called. it is simply a different way to build a cleric, and saying a cleric is 'supposed' to heal is like saying a lady is 'supposed' to stay home and take care of kids, cook, clean, etc and not go out and get a job.

no cleric, whatever level they are, struggles with wood mobs. especially poison types. nobody struggles with them, you both sound like idiots saying it. i'm a support cleric, i always have been, i like to heal. guess what else i like to do? hit high numbers, so i maxed my attacks too. leveling your attacks is not exclusive to one type of build. i say you're the ignorant one.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i'm a support cleric, i always have been, i like to heal. guess what else i like to do? hit high numbers, so i maxed my attacks too. leveling your attacks is not exclusive to one type of build. i say you're the ignorant one.

So what? Full int attack clerics like to hit high numbers, so they max their attacks. Guess what else most clerics want to do? be able to heal. So they usually max their Iron heart blessing/ or what ever heal they want. Clerics, no matter what level they are, will always need to max plume shot/cyclone and a heal, which, (shock! Horror!) is also the basics of a full int. attack cleric.

Just because Full int. attack clerics focus on attacks, doesn't mean that they will limit themselves and be completely useless in squads. I can heal people, purify if I need to and debuff when I need to. The ignorant ones are those who hold on to the stereotypical view of a Cleric. Just because Full Int. Attack clerics go about it a different way, doesn't mean that full int attack clerics are any less of a cleric when we play the game.

jaa,
sano

In other words FAC is blademaster whit wings...b:chuckle

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

my problem with people who claim to be these fac's is that they figure only they can level their attack skills and debuffs. like it's exclusive to them. it doesn't add up to me, why would they think such a thing?

As I'm sure you know, Forp, Attack Cleric is a mindset, not a build. This is because you will get enough SP to max all of your skills eventually. But many new players are inexperienced, and do not know this yet!

All they see is that, in the lowish levels, that they don't have the SP to keep all of their skills leveled. Therefore, like any reasonable person, they choose the ones they use most often, and level those! For people playing FACs, those skills are debuffs and attack spells. Since they don't have the SP to level other skills yet, FAC really looks like a build to them.

This, I feel, is the basis for their argument. And, from their perspective in the lowish levels, it certainly makes sense.