HP/MP regen powders

Arzalea - Sanctuary
Arzalea - Sanctuary Posts: 56 Arc User
edited February 2009 in Dungeons & Tactics
Do they stack with cleric regen spell?
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  • _Arrow_ - Lost City
    _Arrow_ - Lost City Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    i think so
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    They don't stack. And in fact the cleric buff (max 10 hp/mp per sec regen) will overwrite the powders (50 hp/mp per sec regen). So if you're playing a cleric and randomly buffing people, please check to make sure they don't have a hp/mp regen buff on them already before you cast yours.
  • Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear
    Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    That's the reason randomly buffing clerics get yelled at or PKed when available. Learn your class, and only help when asked. Otherwise you're not an asset but a liability.

    Learn Ironheart Blessing, Plume Shot, Great cyclone and specialize on those, so that you're able to level by yourself instead of being a dead weight on your guildmates. They are not there to train you. Don't raise those damage over time metal spells. You're an arcane robe-wearer, you MUST kill hard and fast, or you die.

    Don't waste spirit on those regen buffs. Even a noob with L1 Apothecary can do 5 times better than an experienced Cleric. Altough I agree that a noob don't have the brainpower to think about learning Apothecary. Let's say "even a newbie" then.

    And for any god you pray's sake, stop casting armor buff on casters and magic resist buffs on warriors "to compensate". That's ridiculous to give a percentage of nothing. Magic boost casters and armor boost warriors instead, they'll like it. :)

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    On a side note, you may want to learn level 1 of buffs anyway, to maim and punish other players that you feel deserve it. Nothing better than to see an arrogant Blade or Barbarian bite the dust because all his precious buffs suddenly went down the drain, and mock the dead meatshield.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    And for any god you pray's sake, stop casting armor buff on casters and magic resist buffs on warriors "to compensate". That's ridiculous to give a percentage of nothing. Magic boost casters and armor boost warriors instead, they'll like it. :)

    The magic resist buff on warriors is actually pretty useful.

    Arcane armor has virtually no p.def. Its p.def rating is only 11% of the m.def. e.g. The level 40 arcane chest piece gives 550 m.def and 62 p.def.

    Heavy armor has substantial m.def. Its m.def rating is 43% of the p.def. e.g. The level 40 heavy chest piece gives 552 p.def and 235 m.def.

    So a warrior-type will have a significant amount of m.def for the cleric buff to boost (since it increases it by a percentage). Also, unlike casters who rarely get hit and thus can regen their hp back as they play, melee classes playing solo will always get hit and their remaining hp determines how long they can fight without sitting to regenerate. Any reduction in the damage they take is useful. So if they're fighting magic-casting mobs, the magic resist buff is most appreciated.
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Don't waste spirit on those regen buffs. Even a noob with L1 Apothecary can do 5 times better than an experienced Cleric. Altough I agree that a noob don't have the brainpower to think about learning Apothecary. Let's say "even a newbie" then.

    I don't agree with you. I'm always very glad when a cleric casts those buffs on me! Yes, apothacary stuff is "better" in the regeneration amount, but those last only 10 minutes, and you'll need to get the herbs to make it. The clerics buff last 30 min and are free for the whole party, and prevents the pretty long shared cooldown on other apothecary stuff.
    Sure, first things first. Ironheart blessing and skills so the cleric can lvl by themselves are priority on those buffs. But please don't say they're useless, because some poeple actually like being buffed. I do my best never to forget to thank the cleric that buffed me, simply because I believe it's very nice that they spend time and mp on buffing me.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I agree any added defense, however insignificant is useful.

    A small increase in def (phy or mag) can make a significant difference in %DR (%Damage Reduction), especially so if the def is low to start with.
    i.e. adding 200def when you have 1000 increases %DR a lot more than adding 200 def when you have 12000.

    Also, even a 1% increase in DR can make a significant difference over time.

    The bests clerics gimme both phy and mag def.

    Lastly. The +50HP or +100 regen is nice, but only lasts 10min. When I am doing a FB run I prefer to let the cleric give me the hour long +10/sec buff and then at bosses I overwrite with the +50 or +100 apoth potions (multiple times against something like FB bosses). After boss, when the apoth runs out, request a rebuff.

    Not necessarily the cheapest way to do it, but definitely the safest.
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  • Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear
    Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Yep but we're speaking to a novice Cleric. He will have at first to specialize if he wants to level. THEN when he'll have a few 10's under the belt he will have spirit to spend to those skills.
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  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Yep but we're speaking to a novice Cleric. He will have at first to specialize if he wants to level. THEN when he'll have a few 10's under the belt he will have spirit to spend to those skills.

    Doesn't that count for classes?! I'm lvl50 now, and I'm finally able to get some skills besides the tanking/aggro skills. I also play a foxveno at lvl30, and she can't get all fox skills either.
    Every class has those 3/4 skills that require the absolute priority. That doesn't mean the other skills are useless, and every player chooses them according to their playing style.
  • MelvinFoxber - Sanctuary
    MelvinFoxber - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I think what can be said here is to know your place.

    If you're a support cleric, focus on the heals.

    If you're tending towards the FAC, focus on the attacks.

    Either way, get SOME buffs to give to BM's/Barbs for the grind. A 10 minute life powder is plenty handy, but it's a consistent life-gain that may **** out in the middle of a fight, and costs me much needed nectar to make.

    I'd prefer to have a good cleric with the buffs to keep me going on the long grind, with occasional Ironheart to speed the healing process.

    That way, I can save my nectars for Orbs of Vibrating Light for the emergencies... (4khp over 30 secs = ~133hp / sec) ----> a must have for bosses and hasty retreats
  • The_Mule - Sanctuary
    The_Mule - Sanctuary Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Is there a list of the Icons for each buff etc that gives an explanation which each one does?

    Do powders and potions produce an Icon for the cleric to see?

    If I see someone who has no icons I give them all the buffs, I try and work out what will not help the rest by the icons but as I only play cleric / Archer its difficult to see and understand what will and will not have a detrimental effect.

    I got into an argument with a barbarian over it last night, in fact some other cleric had put guardian charm on him, it ended amicably I'm glad to say.

    Would the rest prefer that we don't buff / heal until asked for, I'm often whispered demanding buffs so it seems that most people like them anyway.
    As a rule us clerics don't solo as well as other classes but I've never whispered a melee character and demanded they tank for me!

    Though I admit I've never had a whisper saying you (insert swear word here) why did you do that! when I heal one of you as you are fighting.

    I nearly always get a ty btw.
  • saleniece
    saleniece Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    life powder and cleric buff both have life regen icon, it looks same, so please pay attention. i do like your buffs, but get sudden 3hp instead of 50hp per second isn't nice at all, especially if u farmed herbs to make them, when use your new made pot some1 buffs you -.-'. if cleric does that then i ask them to give me mp buff to compensate it(with mp regen buff i can use my self heal skills without using mp potions).
  • The_Mule - Sanctuary
    The_Mule - Sanctuary Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    If the icons are the same then I don't give that buff anyway but a list would help.

    The HP buff includes the MP buff anyway.