There is no DEER veno....

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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So where is your proof of this? Anyone at all can SAY they know for sure what it is....what makes you correct?

    What makes us wrong? Of the two options of deer and dragon, it's definitely not a dragon because there is no tail showing while dragons have long tails and deer have both short tails and antlers while there are also deer in Asia with antlers like the veno has.


    There is a chain of logic that can be used to support it not being a deer veno, but it doesn't support it being a dragon, either.
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  • saidje
    saidje Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    wow, this has gone on for a while.

    This is a Chinese lore story therefore I offer these...

    silkadeer.jpg

    venodeer.jpg

    Full image of Sika Deer here ;
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SikaDeerM1.jpg


    I also offer this link...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Deer_of_Nine_Colors

    You can click the picture to make it bigger and examine the antlers represented.
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  • Teseanna - Heavens Tear
    Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What makes us wrong?

    The fact that you aren't right?
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The fact that you aren't right?

    That's not a fact, that's a guess on your part.


    I also said in the same post you apparently didn't read that there is a chain of logic that can be used to show how it is something other than a deer veno as opposed to not backing the position up with anything but a guess.

    Eariler I said of the two options (deer and dragon) the only possible answer was that it's a deer veno, and based on actual facts about both deer and dragons and the other veno sub-types, one can come to the conclusion that it's a deer veno.
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  • Teseanna - Heavens Tear
    Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    It isn't a guess.

    Furthermore, it also isn't an assumption.

    Can we get a ruling??

    I'm guessing no, or at least not a very official one.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It isn't a guess.

    Furthermore, it also isn't an assumption.

    Can we get a ruling??

    Try posting something more substantial than "You're wrong".
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  • Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear
    Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    The burden of proof does not befall to the unbeliever. If I say there's a burberry teapot orbiting Mars, I am the one that need to prove it. You can call yourself a kirin veno, you'll just be a mad and delusional deer veno in the eyes of the rest of the world.

    You want to be a kirin venomancer ? Go, prove it.

    Until that, you're a deer, my dear.
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  • Ouraya - Heavens Tear
    Ouraya - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    And deer taste better.
  • Teseanna - Heavens Tear
    Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
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    Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The burden of proof does not befall to the unbeliever. If I say there's a burberry teapot orbiting Mars, I am the one that need to prove it. You can call yourself a kirin veno, you'll just be a mad and delusional deer veno in the eyes of the rest of the world.

    You want to be a kirin venomancer ? Go, prove it.

    Until that, you're a deer, my dear.

    I didn't say it was a kirin, i said it was not a deer. Closer to a dragon. I am not ASKING if it is a deer, i am SAYING it isn't.

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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I didn't say it was a kirin, i said it was not a deer. Closer to a dragon. I am not ASKING if it is a deer, i am SAYING it isn't.

    ...and i'm a cat

    Where's the tail of it's a dragon?
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  • Teseanna - Heavens Tear
    Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Where's the tail of it's a dragon?

    Where is the rabbit's tail? Truth is you will never get an answer. But, the fact that the bunny is tail-less does not mean it isn't a bunny.
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Where is the rabbit's tail? Truth is you will never get an answer. But, the fact that the bunny is tail-less does not mean it isn't a bunny.

    Actually it kind of does mean its not a dragon for this reason. Deers & bunnies has little fluffy tails. PW gives Venomances a skeleton with certain movements, this skeleton covers long tails. however if Venos had a small tail, it couldnt follow the same skeleton. But there isnt a way to have 2 different skeletons that wouldnt require a complete rewrite of the character display (typical for most any game, each race has a skeleton, but not a choice of multiple skeletons). As such, they chose to simply remove the tail for the Veno choices with tiny tails (i guess it could be considered to be hidden within the dress/pants. On the other hand, if it was a dragon, it could easily use the wagging skeleton that cat/bat/fox Veno's use. To put it bluntly, short tails arent displayed but long tails are. If it was a dragon, it would have a tail, but it doesnt, so it can't be a dragon.
  • Ouraya - Heavens Tear
    Ouraya - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I didn't say it was a kirin, i said it was not a deer. Closer to a dragon. I am not ASKING if it is a deer, i am SAYING it isn't.

    ...and i'm a cat
    Meh. Sad. Deer taste better.
    ... * poke * ... You sure you not deer ?
    Mmm.
    No, you cat-ear.
    How cat taste ?
  • Tarterus - Lost City
    Tarterus - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Lol, I thought she had coral on her head. b:chuckle
  • Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear
    Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    So she may be ... VENO-SEAHORSE ?! b:shocked
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  • Kitsuneaki - Sanctuary
    Kitsuneaki - Sanctuary Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Baobhansidhe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So she may be ... VENO-SEAHORSE ?! b:shocked

    should be a new option in the poll....b:victory
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  • Kikisha - Sanctuary
    Kikisha - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Honestly, I actually DID think it was coral, not antlers. When I thought about it though, all of the "cute" presets had those, which points to the possibility of them being deer antlers. I never even thought about the possibility that they could be dragons. If they are... neat.
  • _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Hmm doesnt matter IF it is a dragons horn, Still LOOKS like a deer.
    I always thought it looked like a deer.
    (Actually thought it looked "weird")
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  • Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear
    Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear Posts: 816 Arc User
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    Does it matter if people think of it as a deer or a dragon? o.o;

    They look like deers to me.
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
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    Teseanna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I didn't say it was a kirin, i said it was not a deer. Closer to a dragon. I am not ASKING if it is a deer, i am SAYING it isn't.

    ...and i'm a cat

    PWI calls it a Deer. You say it isnt. I'm sorry, but you can't just tell us it isnt when PWI tells us it is. I'll take their word over yours.
  • Ratharee - Sanctuary
    Ratharee - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    I'd always thought the horned Veno was some sort of kirin or something like that... >.>
  • DevilCrys - Heavens Tear
    DevilCrys - Heavens Tear Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Lame thread still going on? OMG DEER VENO OMG I WANT THE GOOSE N COW VENO OMG THAT VENO DOESNT HAVE BUTTERFLY WINGS AS EARS :o IT DOESNT HAVE A COW TAIL OMG 2000 VIEWS ! LETS VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN CUZ GMS DONT CARE BOUT VOTING POLLS

    MY-EN go there n see if they've made adjustments? Nopeeeee

    Everything on MY-EN is gonna happen to PWI..obviously
  • Niamy - Sanctuary
    Niamy - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    It's an alien...
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  • Kasugahime - Sanctuary
    Kasugahime - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    so what do you suggest i do with my alt, LadyDeerskin? i could change her looks with a scroll, but not her name. Though i did name her for a princess in a Robin McKinlely book, who wore a white deerskin dress, i havent seen one like that for sale in the cash shop....yet! ^_^

    I suggest you ignore the person with the weird hang-up and have fun the way you want to! b:victory

    I mean, if you really want to be picky they're antlers on a Venomancer, therefore they're Venomancer antlers--which happen to look like antlers you can also find on either deer or dragons. Yeesh.
  • DevilCrys - Heavens Tear
    DevilCrys - Heavens Tear Posts: 488 Arc User
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    Kasugahime - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I suggest you ignore the person with the weird hang-up and have fun the way you want to! b:victory

    I mean, if you really want to be picky they're antlers on a Venomancer, therefore they're Venomancer antlers--which happen to look like antlers you can also find on either deer or dragons. Yeesh.

    YOU CANT HAVE GOAT HORNS OR COW TAILS NOW CAN YA? NOPE DIDNT THINK OF THAT ONE DID YA SMART ONE!!!!!!!!!!! b:laugh
  • Kasugahime - Sanctuary
    Kasugahime - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
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    DevilCrys - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    YOU CANT HAVE GOAT HORNS OR COW TAILS NOW CAN YA? NOPE DIDNT THINK OF THAT ONE DID YA SMART ONE!!!!!!!!!!! b:laugh

    Sure I can! I have both! They're invisible pink ones.
  • Flauschkatze - Heavens Tear
    Flauschkatze - Heavens Tear Posts: 998 Arc User
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    DevilCrys - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lame thread still going on? OMG DEER VENO OMG I WANT THE GOOSE N COW VENO OMG THAT VENO DOESNT HAVE BUTTERFLY WINGS AS EARS :o IT DOESNT HAVE A COW TAIL OMG 2000 VIEWS ! LETS VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN CUZ GMS DONT CARE BOUT VOTING POLLS

    MY-EN go there n see if they've made adjustments? Nopeeeee

    Everything on MY-EN is gonna happen to PWI..obviously

    eh... you've noticed you're writing all-caps?

    ...you didn't even read what this thread is about.

    yah, I'm bored :]
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  • Reikara - Heavens Tear
    Reikara - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,321 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Neither! It's a bee...duh! b:shy
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  • Teseanna - Heavens Tear
    Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    Wow, i'm not sure how to respond...
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  • The_Wall - Heavens Tear
    The_Wall - Heavens Tear Posts: 500 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    RAWR! I'm a tiger
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