Debating ..

Castadeus - Heavens Tear
Castadeus - Heavens Tear Posts: 2 Arc User
edited February 2009 in Wizard
Alright, so I'm a level 44 wizard and I'm here wondering .. should I switch characters to an archer? Barbarian? People always claim that wizards are outmatched because another class is always better than it at something. Are wizards under rated? Or should I just continue playing my wizard until end game? I have a level 30 archer and a level 24 barbarian, I am also a pure wizard type. Are wizards just based on people's opinions or are their actual facts that they do match up better to other classes?

There are many more questions I'd like to ask, but for now this will be it because I would like to see what experienced players have to say to this. Thanks. :)
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  • $ian - Lost City
    $ian - Lost City Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Mmm... Well, as a Wizard you will have problems PvPing till 60+.

    The only one that can tell you if you should change classes is yourself.

    Wizards are Damage Dealer, you have a low HP, you can't afford taking much damage, and your heal will only save you if you combine it with Essential Sutra. If you don't play Wizard the right way you are going to lose in PvP most of the time.
  • Some_guy - Heavens Tear
    Some_guy - Heavens Tear Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    well a wizards like this: if the wizard hits first he wins, if he gets hit first then he loses. just make sure u get them before they get u, all about timing. i usually rock in pvp in most other games and im always a wizard and i almost always win. im pretty sure ill be the same in this game. Plus i hear the endgame is good.
  • VonTerror - Lost City
    VonTerror - Lost City Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Which do you like more? Not to rip on you or anything but its kind of a dumb question. Wiz's are most likely going to say its great and keep going, and ask other classes and most will tell you theirs is the best. If you know your strengths and play your char well, each class has its advantages pvp or pve. So choose what you enjoy playing. I have a 87 archer and i don't think it was a quarter as much fun as wiz. But thats my opinion. Sure i get pk'd a lot, i also been killing a bunch lately, players and mobs alike. As you go on i'm sure you will figure it out
    b:bye
  • WuSuang - Sanctuary
    WuSuang - Sanctuary Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Well Archers do have high critical rating and that is dangerous but archers still cannot out damage a wizard. Wizards have the highest skill damage in the entire game. From my personal experience from dueling Barbarians and Archers and most of the time, I beat the Barbarians. Its easy... Just Kite(Hit and Run) with gush. Archers Im not sure but if they catch you unprepared, your pretty much screwed. Wizards are not great until lvl 59 because you get some really nice skills and it just gets better at lvl 79. My advice is to stick with your wizard but it all depends on you.
  • HgS - Sanctuary
    HgS - Sanctuary Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    You can always be thankful you didn't play warrior. :D
  • WuSuang - Sanctuary
    WuSuang - Sanctuary Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Yes I am thankful I didn't play a warrior. A wizard is a challenging class to play. b:victory
  • Arteg - Sanctuary
    Arteg - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I highly recommend abandoning your wizard, and play your archer instead. Wizards are almost completely useless except for TW against barbs. And while a wizard's hit may be harder, archers can and do out-damage wizards when damage per second is taken into account. In fact, even though wizards are considered damage dealers, they're pretty pathetic at even that job when compared to other classes. I bought in to the whole "wizards will be better later on"...don't make the same mistake I did.
  • Skyannie - Lost City
    Skyannie - Lost City Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Arteg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I highly recommend abandoning your wizard, and play your archer instead. Wizards are almost completely useless except for TW against barbs. And while a wizard's hit may be harder, archers can and do out-damage wizards when damage per second is taken into account. In fact, even though wizards are considered damage dealers, they're pretty pathetic at even that job when compared to other classes. I bought in to the whole "wizards will be better later on"...don't make the same mistake I did.

    You're level 77, that's not "later on" yet.
    As only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
    Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
    And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.
  • Arteg - Sanctuary
    Arteg - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Skyannie - Lost City wrote: »
    You're level 77, that's not "later on" yet.

    When I was level 5X, I was told "later on" was 60s. When I was 60s, "later on" was 70s. So when does it end? And what is it about later levels that will make us better? I've researched all the future skills...and besides Manifest Virtue at 100, they don't look like they're anything to write home about. I'm not willing to wait for 100.

    I see a lot of posts, even from high level wizards, talk about their "future potential", never "okay, I'm powerful now".
  • Sejhia - Heavens Tear
    Sejhia - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    It wouldn't be a topic if wizards had better survivability or more damage but sadly it would seem our damage is about even with clerics and archers and our survivability is the worse of the mage type classes. In fact our survivability is the worst in the game.

    In other games I have played such glass like classes do exisst but the pack one heck of a punch. The problem I see with wizards is that they got the glass right but forgot to fully load the cannon!
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    at lv 240ish i hear wizzards own... (china server) but its hell getting there
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    at lv 240ish i hear wizzards own... (china server) but its hell getting there

    bah I aint gonna wait....
    Is Back once more.

    sorry med school needs some time.
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Mages suck until 90, and are mediocre until 100. Then they're pretty damn good.
    59 you turn from horrible to suckish, 79 you turn from suckish to bad, 89 you turb from bad to meh.
    "Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady." - Nakhimov
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Skyannie - Lost City
    Skyannie - Lost City Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    at lv 240ish i hear wizzards own... (china server) but its hell getting there

    240? What are you TALKING about? Do you have any idea what you just said?
    As only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
    Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
    And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.
  • Skyannie - Lost City
    Skyannie - Lost City Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Arteg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    When I was level 5X, I was told "later on" was 60s. When I was 60s, "later on" was 70s. So when does it end? And what is it about later levels that will make us better? I've researched all the future skills...and besides Manifest Virtue at 100, they don't look like they're anything to write home about. I'm not willing to wait for 100.

    I see a lot of posts, even from high level wizards, talk about their "future potential", never "okay, I'm powerful now".

    The potential is not 59/60, it's not 79, not 89, it's 90 with HH gear. 99HH is pretty much the pinnacle for us though. It's not a class for people who aren't willing to go all the way.

    Edit: Double post Q.Q
    As only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
    Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
    And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.
  • Arteg - Sanctuary
    Arteg - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Skyannie - Lost City wrote: »
    The potential is not 59/60, it's not 79, not 89, it's 90 with HH gear. 99HH is pretty much the pinnacle for us though. It's not a class for people who aren't willing to go all the way.

    So again, you're level 89 saying you will be better sometime in the future -- 90 in this case. I've really given up on believing people in this matter.

    And if the reason we're better is because of gear, that only depresses me more. Magic veno's and clerics get to wear the same gear, so we're not relatively any better. I also just checked the gear on pwdatabase; looks pretty typical to me: crappy phys, moderate bonuses. The rank gear at least has -channel, but rank is a whole other issue...
  • Skyannie - Lost City
    Skyannie - Lost City Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Arteg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So again, you're level 89 saying you will be better sometime in the future -- 90 in this case. I've really given up on believing people in this matter.

    And if the reason we're better is because of gear, that only depresses me more. Magic veno's and clerics get to wear the same gear, so we're not relatively any better. I also just checked the gear on pwdatabase; looks pretty typical to me: crappy phys, moderate bonuses. The rank gear at least has -channel, but rank is a whole other issue...

    The reason a mage doesn't do much at first is because of survivability... 90HH provides that, and combined with their high damage... yeah. If you don't want to reach that point, you're welcome to re-roll, even then, it's a different type of effectiveness, unless you really invest on gear.

    I know this much because of the people I know, so, I know what I'm saying. It's not speculation, but, believe what you will.
    As only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
    Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
    And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I have simply given up in this entire stupid unbalanced **** whole excuse of a game and now playing Shaiya online and its balanced as hell the best player wins not the best class which is what this peice of **** game is doing..

    To Arteg dont re-roll thats stupid why re-roll in not so good game re-roll is not an option the real soloution is to quit this whole stupid game all together believe me you will feel much much better after you do b:victory
    Is Back once more.

    sorry med school needs some time.
  • Rundora - Lost City_1243871147
    Rundora - Lost City_1243871147 Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have simply given up in this entire stupid unbalanced **** whole excuse of a game and now playing Shaiya online and its balanced as hell the best player wins not the best class which is what this peice of **** game is doing..

    To Arteg dont re-roll thats stupid why re-roll in not so good game re-roll is not an option the real soloution is to quit this whole stupid game all together believe me you will feel much much better after you do b:victory

    Why are you still posting here then? I think someone misses PW b:cute
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    in the matter of fact I feel like am going to throw up just by being here ackh what a waste of my life...
    Is Back once more.

    sorry med school needs some time.
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