new all class pets

Killllrain - Sanctuary
Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
edited May 2009 in Suggestion Box
b:laughtheres so much chit chat btween me and my guildies that a new all class pet would be awsome we all think you should add a tab into shop for us to buy FIGHTING all class pets. some pets you can use are: monkeey as i saw in a diffrent thread, a dragon, a mouse, a duck, a penguin, maybe a platypus. i would deffinatly buy them especlly if there only like 10$ in the boutique shop itd be insae and im sure youd pull some more money into the gameb:laugh
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  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Fighting all class pets? So what you're saying is you wish you had rolled a Veno instead? Combat pets are for Venos, period. Adding combat pets to other classes would require a complete overhaul of their skills. Good luck convincing PW to do that.
  • Katsumikit - Sanctuary
    Katsumikit - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Even if, it would still be cool. And if you're just gonna bash this idea, then don't bother even saying anything...
    I don't see how it would require a total overhaul of skills?
  • Killllrain - Sanctuary
    Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    "Fighting all class pets? So what you're saying is you wish you had rolled a Veno instead? Combat pets are for Venos, period. Adding combat pets to other classes would require a complete overhaul of their skills. Good luck convincing PW to do that." taken from katsumikit
    seeing as how i dont know how to quote i did that and no im not saying that a fighting all class pet would require a complete rechange of skills it would just require them to erase the veno online lines of code and place it so all classes would use them and it wouldnt be to hard to do that. and daerys right if you gonna just say something bad about someones ideas dont keep it to your self next time and me being a veno is weird seeing as how IM A GUY
  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I'm a guy, too. What's your point? It's merely a collection of pixels on a screen. The gameplay is what matters.

    And how can you not understand why adding combat pets to all classes would require an overhaul? This game has PvP in it, which means that the devs have gone to and will continue to go to great lengths to ensure that the classes are balanced. They won't ever get it perfect, but they at least try.

    Can you imagine a lvl100 archer with a phoenix? My point proven. Venos are designed specifically with pets in mind, and other classes are designed specifically with a lack pets. Adding pet damage into the equation means lowering the players damage to compensate. Do you really want that? There's a reason Veno's have **** for personal damage compared to other DD classes.

    Last I checked this was a forum, where ideas are presented and discussed. Try being a tad more mature next time and proved a thought out counter-arguement.
  • Killllrain - Sanctuary
    Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Daerys - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Can you imagine a lvl100 archer with a phoenix? My point proven. Venos are designed specifically with pets in mind, and other classes are designed specifically with a lack pets. Adding pet damage into the equation means lowering the players damage to compensate. Do you really want that? There's a reason Veno's have **** for personal damage compared to other DD classes.
    i never said anytihng abouta phoneix i agree the phenix and hercules should be veno only pets but im talking about making a whole new line of pets that arent insanly strong like the phoneix just some modarete pets with a little damage and rewrite the skills that venos buy to teach there pets so it fits all classes its a simple as that no need to cahnge the phoneix into haveing it an all class proving your point wrong and its a bit odd playing a girl char when your a guy so next time you try and say something think it over.
  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I suggest you take your own advice. Think it over for a bit. You'll soon realize why it is a horrible idea.
  • Killllrain - Sanctuary
    Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Daerys - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I suggest you take your own advice. Think it over for a bit. You'll soon realize why it is a horrible idea.

    no its not a horrible idea at all it can be usefull for low levels and high levels it can help low levels kill mobs and high levels solo better so stop posting inless you think it over abit
  • Glyphie - Sanctuary
    Glyphie - Sanctuary Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    It's not a bad idea, you'd need to fine-tune it a bit more, and im assuming that the veno pets would still be immensely more powerful than the pets you're implying, so pretty much like fighting baby pets. Not as strong as the actual thing, but still able to help a player out. Pets that heal their owners could be a good idea too..
  • Rundora - Lost City_1243871147
    Rundora - Lost City_1243871147 Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Has anyone else noticed that all the people who support this idea are below level 40?

    As much as I'd like something to help defend against the phoenix, I have to say it. This idea sucks.
  • Saint_drake - Heavens Tear
    Saint_drake - Heavens Tear Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    sorry to you lower level lot but i have to go along the trend noticed above and say: combating all-class pets are a bad idea. I in fact find it hard to find a suitable neutral allclass, perhaps cause all the good lookings are rare..
    I would like to see more pets that can be made into an allclass though, especially the hamster that's in that game code somewhere :) but the blue fox Vulpeca or the spotted panther running near Sanctuary would be fun too
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Daerys - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Fighting all class pets? So what you're saying is you wish you had rolled a Veno instead? Combat pets are for Venos, period. Adding combat pets to other classes would require a complete overhaul of their skills. Good luck convincing PW to do that.

    thats why I hate venos the most snoby arrogent b/s **** kissing sore losing class b1tching ppl ever yes they are all of the above and more unfourtnatly I cant fit everything here cuz am limited to a 1000 page only and that doesnt cover half of it..b:bye
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  • plane
    plane Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    The only reason so many Venos on here are snotty and arrogant is because everyone and their brother seems to want what they have!! That's bound to make anyone a tad arrogant.

    Seriously, though, if combat pets were made available to everyone, some other changes concerning the Venos would need to be made. Even if the all-class pets were little things like healing, buffing, tiny damage but a few skills, etc. at the very least they'd need to give the Venos some DD spells comparable to other classes.

    Let me put it this way. The Veno with a pet is roughly comparable to another character without a pet. Giving everyone else pets would be roughly the same (for balance purposes) as taking pets away from Venos, which would render the class a total waste and a load of BS.

    For those who are wondering, I've yet to get any of my characters up to 40 (haven't been playing that long). I have a Veno in the mid 30s, and I'm not snotty or arrogant about it, but everyone does seem to want what she has (combat pets). I've also played BMs and Clerics, and while the Clerics could really use a tank like that, they'd pwn everyone if they (alone) got them. So would any other single class. If you give it to everyone, you give a huge gift to everyone but the Venos. I think a good balance would be to let Venos summon 3 pets at the same time and have more buffs (essentially, make them a real pet master class).

    Now, if you don't care about game balance, then, well, MMOs may not be for you.
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    and btw I think only kids want all-class combat b=pets and I think the idea is utterly stupid and noobish am not with the whole all class pets thing at all hell even take away the damn all class pets for show thing see if I give a rat's **** but the only thing I did was point out to how venos are a **** load of crab with the worst manners yet to see *excuse me for MY bad manners but am kinda ticked off*
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  • _WhiteRose_ - Sanctuary
    _WhiteRose_ - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I mean both sides of this arguement have a really good point. I dont think theirz balance in this game anyway.. i mean from what i know of .. we all know what classes beat each other , we know who can tank.. and we know who can solo...

    I think that all players shuld be able to solo. im a cleric oviously.. and alot of other clerics argee with me when i say we hate asking other for help just to do simple tasks... yes it says we are support.. but if we ARE support why do we NEED support It wuldnt make us invensible just to have maybe a throw back att .. or maybe just to have more defence or even give us a pet on the side.
  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    *Pulls the stick out of Mosabis *****

    Show me where exactly in my post I was snobby, asskissing or sore losing. I'm just dying to know. I stated a fact, plain and simple. It IS a fact that Venos are designed to be a pet class while the others are not. It IS a fact that adding pets to other classes without some very serious redesigning would be an extreme imbalance. If you stopped for just a moment and did a little research into who I am you would see that I am probably one of the most well-mannered people that regularly posts on these forums. At the very least, I put more than a shred of thought into my posts.

    See what plane had to say in his/her very first sentence. This topic has been beaten to death over and over again. My damage will never match an archer or a wizard, or even a cleric most likely. My pet is a significant chunk of my damage, and even with it I am still at a disadvantage compared to other DD classes. I have no aoe really worth mentioning. So tell me again why it is that other classes deserve combat pets?
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Daerys - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *Pulls the stick out of Mosabis *****

    Show me where exactly in my post I was snobby, asskissing or sore losing. I'm just dying to know. I stated a fact, plain and simple. It IS a fact that Venos are designed to be a pet class while the others are not. It IS a fact that adding pets to other classes without some very serious redesigning would be an extreme imbalance. If you stopped for just a moment and did a little research into who I am you would see that I am probably one of the most well-mannered people that regularly posts on these forums. At the very least, I put more than a shred of thought into my posts.

    See what plane had to say in his/her very first sentence. This topic has been beaten to death over and over again. My damage will never match an archer or a wizard, or even a cleric most likely. My pet is a significant chunk of my damage, and even with it I am still at a disadvantage compared to other DD classes. I have no aoe really worth mentioning. So tell me again why it is that other classes deserve combat pets?

    okay 1:dont touch that stick I happen to like it there :P..

    2:look at my second post....duh...

    3:you must suck **** as a veno cuz my same lvl veno freind does 17k crits on mobs the same lvl.....and she isa LA veno and am a PI mage..

    4:again the last part confirms what I said about whining b:surrender

    5:thats the numbers of fingers in one arm :P....b:chuckle
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  • plane
    plane Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    okay 1:dont touch that stick I happen to like it there :P..
    Yes, we can tell.
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    2:look at my second post....duh...
    Ok, how about learning some punctuation? That's usually considered part of good manners on forums, isn't it? I'm just saying that 'second post' was awefully hard to read.
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    3:you must suck **** as a veno cuz my same lvl veno freind does 17k crits on mobs the same lvl.....and she isa LA veno and am a PI mage..
    Ok, I don't know what the numbers are for higher levels, but my pure Mag veno at lvl 38 with an equally leveled Crystaline Magmite was taking 3-4 times as long as anyone else farming the same mobs to kill one, and I know a number of them were a few levels lower than me (from later partying or just plain asking). That means poor damage. Of course, with that magmite, I had the durability of most Barbarians, maybe better since I could heal and revive it.
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    4:again the last part confirms what I said about whining b:surrender
    I don't think that was whining, I think it was a last-ditch desperate attempt to get you to understand why Venos should be the only ones to have combat pets (or at least always have a significant advantage with them). Like I said in my post, giving combat pets to everyone else would have to be balanced by either a major nerf of their skills, a major upgrade of Veno skills, or, my personal favorite, a complete rework of the Veno class.
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    5:thats the numbers of fingers in one arm :P....b:chuckle
    *Counts to himself carefully* 1.. 2.. 3.. 4.. WHAT?! You've got one more than me!! That's no fair! That's unbalanced!! THAT'S... Oh, wait, you were counting your thumb, weren't you?
  • FionaCattail - Sanctuary
    FionaCattail - Sanctuary Posts: 405 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but not good either.. as for why they would have to overhaul the skills.. well think about it.. aside from venos, can any class heal a pet? or rez one? would mean a new skill tree for every class except venos.. meaning all classes get 2-3 more skills than venos do.. and that's fair?

    I think if they are going to do anything, what they need to do is 1, allow venos to be M or F.. 2, allow barbs to be M or F.. or, if nothing else, allow pet skills to be used whether a magic weapon is equipped or not, that way, if you want to have a fighting pet, you can create a veno.. but make one wearing heavy armor and using dual blades if you want which would essentially equate to a blademaster with a pet.. without the bm skills..

    anyway, you see where I'm leading with this idea
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  • Killllrain - Sanctuary
    Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    ok everyone is missing the point of this. clerics have a hard time soloing i have a cleric i know that. a whole new skill tree isnt nessisary if they have scrolls to res your pets. compltly eliminating the need for skill to res and have the pet have there own type of potions. this would completly eliminate the need for ALL reskilling. also yes it would be like a fighting baby pet they would be MUCH weaker then a normal veno pet these would be mostly for looks but this way they dont do absultly nothing and be a waste of your money i bought an antelope thinking it could fight sure its cool looking but its utterly useless.
  • Caleb_zan - Heavens Tear
    Caleb_zan - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Yeah, sorry, but that's not actually what you want. Venos spend enough time healing and ressing pets as it is, and they just use MP for it. If what you suggested was implemented, you'd probably end up using your PC as a walking medical unit for your pet, with no chance to do anything else in battle because of the damage your pet is taking. You'd spend a fortune on those scrolls/potions, even if they're cheaper than the PC equivalent. You'd be in here in 5 minutes complaining about how often you have to heal your pet and how expensive the items to do so are and how weak the pet is. And you know what? You'd be right, too.

    What you want is a battle pet the same way Venos have them. Even if you honestly think you could get away with less, you couldn't.
  • Killllrain - Sanctuary
    Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    honestly you could get away with less these pets wouldnt bee to tank these wood bee for fun and this way they atleaset deal some damage and arent a total waste of money. furthermore these things would have little hp yes but no one said the items couldnt be a few 100 coins at the pet shop and the pets can have there own healing skills
  • bobzilla21
    bobzilla21 Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    a pet can't heal itself if it's dead
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  • Killllrain - Sanctuary
    Killllrain - Sanctuary Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    thats definatly true but if its dead then your on your own intll you rez it
  • Mitrogi - Heavens Tear
    Mitrogi - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I dont think its a very good idea. The game would need an overhaul and it would **** up pvp.
    A healing fairy would be super sweet though. Like HP recovery +5 every ten levels or something help out the other classes with soloing a lot so we can make money like rich *** venos

    You know what I'm going to put that in the suggestion box
  • Mazoku - Lost City
    Mazoku - Lost City Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Rundora - Lost City wrote: »
    Has anyone else noticed that all the people who support this idea are below level 40?

    As much as I'd like something to help defend against the phoenix, I have to say it. This idea sucks.

    How about high level? I support this good idea for pvp server.
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  • Kushua - Dreamweaver
    Kushua - Dreamweaver Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    While I don't want an all class Combat pet, I'd like to see some more allclass Non combat onse. Mabye a Cashshop super cute AC pet thats just super cute..
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Killllrain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ok everyone is missing the point of this. clerics have a hard time soloing i have a cleric i know that. a whole new skill tree isnt nessisary if they have scrolls to res your pets. compltly eliminating the need for skill to res and have the pet have there own type of potions. this would completly eliminate the need for ALL reskilling. also yes it would be like a fighting baby pet they would be MUCH weaker then a normal veno pet these would be mostly for looks but this way they dont do absultly nothing and be a waste of your money i bought an antelope thinking it could fight sure its cool looking but its utterly useless.

    Actualy I agree with the all class pet thing, as long as it has a couple of conditions.

    1. You dont get pet skills for yourself, that means no pet heal, no res, no tame. Your pet dies, you go to town, talk with pet manager and pay to get it resurrected. (you can get the pet with boost skill, so it can heal itself a little)

    2. You have to be wielding a magic weapon while the pet is out (so you can channels your commands to the pet).

    You put those 2 simple things in game and I will be happy to support this idea.
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  • Doughster - Heavens Tear
    Doughster - Heavens Tear Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    i do think that they could maybe have some fighting pets but what if

    1)all class fighter pets can't hold aggro

    2)a lvl cap so that theyre lvl can only be say 1/4 that of your own or somthin like that

    3)they cannot have any skills they can only attack


    IDK but these sounded like they would balance everything out for all class fighter pets.

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