Money left over from the bug

poorteg
poorteg Posts: 23 Arc User
edited February 2009 in General Discussion
So as far as i understand, those who use the bug to make million of coins get banned, and those who just sold gold in auction for 600k+ during the bug get to keep all of their money?

I know of a few people with 40+ Million because they sold gold during the bugged for 500k+ each.

Now, how is the people who didn't sell gold or abused the bug going to survive with their measly 5 million of coins?

So much for being fair i guess
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited February 2009
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    This falls into that. Being greedy negatively affects and prohibits other users from enjoying the game becasue they are not able to ever afford anything, as this recent event has proven. Along with the Jewelscalen and camping of players in pvp server to kill them. If the ToS were actually followed properly, 75% of the playerbase would be banned right now.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    poorteg wrote: »
    So as far as i understand, those who use the bug to make million of coins get banned, and those who just sold gold in auction for 600k+ during the bug get to keep all of their money?

    I know of a few people with 400+ Million because they sold gold during the bugged for 500k+ each.

    Reposting since you started a new thread saying the same thing.

    400 million / 500k = 800 gold. What the heck were they doing with 800 gold sitting on their account? Or did they suddenly decide it'd be worth it to spend $800 on the game?

    More than likely the people you know with 400+ million are really bug exploiters. They're now just pretending they got the coin by selling gold in the AH since that's been officially declared legitimate and non-bannable.

    Report them. AH gold sales are logged (just look at your history next time you're at the gold sales dialog). It'll be trivial for the GMs to figure out if they really got it by selling gold.
  • poorteg
    poorteg Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Reposting since you started a new thread saying the same thing.

    400 million / 500k = 800 gold. What the heck were they doing with 800 gold sitting on their account? Or did they suddenly decide it'd be worth it to spend $800 on the game?

    More than likely the people you know with 400+ million are really bug exploiters. They're now just pretending they got the coin by selling gold in the AH since that's been officially declared legitimate and non-bannable.

    Report them. AH gold sales are logged (just look at your history next time you're at the gold sales dialog). It'll be trivial for the GMs to figure out if they really got it by selling gold.


    Im sorry, i mean to type 40+ million and the person with the highest coin i know have 110 million
  • Lycorys - Heavens Tear
    Lycorys - Heavens Tear Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    In the real world, if you buy your watch from a shady man in a dark alley there is a good chance its stolen. What happens when the guy is caught and tells the cops who he sold stuff to? You lose your watch and it gets returned, ideally to its rightful owners. If you sell something and get counterfeit money in return, then you out in the cold. Basically buying stolen goods is wrong and you're expected to be a bit more vigilant or at least use common sense.

    Apparently it is not so here in the perfect world. Buying stolen goods (stolen coins in this case) is perfectly legal now and not only allowed, but seemingly encouraged. So what now, will people hoard all the gold they can before each update in hopes of another glitch? They wouldn't really be greedy to do so, since now that is the only way to compete with those who exploited the first glitch.
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  • lulululu
    lulululu Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    to tell the truth gms dont give a **** about that (sorry about the foul language) and this is clear watching they moving or deleting posts about the dirty money

    the economy is messed up and they wont do anything because this effect made the staff get a lot of money. Whoever got advantage with that were the players who buy zen, so if the gm undo the situation they r scarred the zen buying players will leave. They r only forgeting that the zen players who werent online wont feel confortable with it.

    Lycorys what ur saying is not 100% true because those things actualy happened in the server but its impossible in real life that this "shady man" will affect the real life stock market as happened here. Besides, affecting stock market at the proportions that happened in the game its considered Financial Crime.

    I can understand why they choose to not rollback. They probably didnt have an updated backup for the server and the rollback would return to like 1 or 2 weeks. I`ve seen a lot of servers that doesnt keep an updated backup. It`s more commom than it seems because updated backups takes time and money.

    I wouldnt expect less from a server that doesnt have a full time gm staff. Should have staff around the world so support could be 24/7 and not 3/7
  • Lycorys - Heavens Tear
    Lycorys - Heavens Tear Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    You know I thought that too at first lulululu, but consider this too; if they had rolled-back and reversed gold to zhen transactions, they would still keep all the real world money they collected from gold sellers exploiting the system. Those immoral gold sellers who bought obviously stolen goods, would just have a big pile of zhen again that they could turn into gold and use fairly in the proper way. So it could be said that the staff did make money off the glitch, but they wouldn't have lost a dime off cleaning it up properly. So must have been their back ups were faulty or something. OR that they this is the statement they wanted to make. *sigh* It is sad things turned out as they did.

    BTW the shady man is a bit of a metaphor if you hadn't guessed.
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  • blindeyesniper
    blindeyesniper Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    All the feathers in auction are gone with only one auction for a batch of 1k sources with a starting bet of 4 mil and buy it now of 6.5 mil. Gold, at the moment, is selling at 144k at the cheapest.

    How's that for inflation? Suddenly, that 10mil I saved up for a Hercules seems minuscule. One step further from attaining it. b:sad

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  • rugal
    rugal Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Whoever got advantage with that were the players who buy zen, so if the gm undo the situation they r scarred the zen buying players will leave.

    Your logic is severely flawed. The zen users who used to buy zen for stuff like charms won't buy anymore for a long time. Why? With their ill gotten gold they can buy months worth of charms without spending a cent of real life cash. So no rollback means the company lost a ton of money from their regular buyers.
  • Falls - Sanctuary
    Falls - Sanctuary Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    rugal wrote: »
    Your logic is severely flawed. The zen users who used to buy zen for stuff like charms won't buy anymore for a long time. Why? With their ill gotten gold they can buy months worth of charms without spending a cent of real life cash. So no rollback means the company lost a ton of money from their regular buyers.

    Your logic is flawed too. The price of gold is now inflated to 140-150k per gold. To all of the players who weren't around to exploit the bug, they now have two options when it comes to buying charms and other cash shop items...use their now more worthless coins to pay 600-700k per charm, or buy more gold to make up for the fact that the value of their in game currency got halved. I'm real sure PWI didn't profit b:cute(heavy sarcasm).
  • lordmoto
    lordmoto Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I was in the game today for a short time, guess what i saw.. several level 20 charaters with Hercs and Phoinexs... only a few ppl had herc's and phoinexs before now they seem to be a common place. so much for fair play.

    Seems if you take advantage of any glitch in Perfect World and your half way smart about it you don't have to worry about the Staff doing anything to you.

    Seems to me that the Staff at PWE want the gold prices to stay high.
    Falls said the best only way to get a gold charm is to pull out the cc and buy it from the CS or pay 600-700k for one with ingame coins..

    Pros of Using Exploits
    Maxed skills...
    Maxed Armor...
    Free gold...
    Free coins...and lots of them...
    Upgraded mounts..
    Upgraded Air Mounts..
    Level 11-15 soul gems.. for everything..
    Maxed sockets for every piece of armor/weapon you have..

    Honestly playing the game seems to be a disadvantage now.
    How can you compete with dishonest players?
    Report them? what is that going to do?
  • Gurhalt - Heavens Tear
    Gurhalt - Heavens Tear Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    being a new player i joined after this bug. but hearing about it really makes me wonder if i should keep going. With the way people keep talking about it it really is an unfair advantage,and being that nothing is being done is kinda blah, so i guess its good i didn't get very far into the game.
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    No-one told we can report them for being suspects of exploiting the bug or taking advantage of it...
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  • aryannamage
    aryannamage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No-one told we can report them for being suspects of exploiting the bug or taking advantage of it...

    Actually you can. Players are still being investigated by GM's and it is not only those who were suspended.
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  • Szioul - Heavens Tear
    Szioul - Heavens Tear Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Your logic is flawed too. The price of gold is now inflated to 140-150k per gold. To all of the players who weren't around to exploit the bug, they now have two options when it comes to buying charms and other cash shop items...use their now more worthless coins to pay 600-700k per charm, or buy more gold to make up for the fact that the value of their in game currency got halved. I'm real sure PWI didn't profit b:cute(heavy sarcasm).

    If they sold gold at 400k during the exploiting, and gold price is now 150k and charms sell for 600k-700k. They're basically getting gold and charms for less than half price.
    150k/400k=3/8
    650k/400k*4=~0.4
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  • blindeyesniper
    blindeyesniper Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    aryannamage wrote: »
    Actually you can. Players are still being investigated by GM's and it is not only those who were suspended.

    How about you guys take a look at the gold trade log that happened during that gold bug time period and refund their gold that they were selling and confiscate the coins they got from selling that gold? b:laugh
  • lordmoto
    lordmoto Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    aryannamage wrote: »
    Actually you can. Players are still being investigated by GM's and it is not only those who were suspended.

    Really, and what is going to happen? They get suspended for a couple of days?
    they will still have the herc/phoinex when they get back, and there ill-gotten gains.

    How does a level 20 afford a herc/phoinex?
    did they spend 156$ to get the herc? or did spend 26+ million (which is not the price now but from before) for the herc/phoinex? where did they get 26+ million in game coins?
    i sure's hell didn't have that amount of coins at 20th level.
  • Falls - Sanctuary
    Falls - Sanctuary Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Szioul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If they sold gold at 400k during the exploiting, and gold price is now 150k and charms sell for 600k-700k. They're basically getting gold and charms for less than half price.
    150k/400k=3/8
    650k/400k*4=~0.4

    "They" being the exploiters, and everyone else is paying twice as much. In order to exploit the bug many people (including many that I know personally), whipped out their credit cards to charge zen so they could get their hands on the bugged coins. So PWI benefited there.

    To anyone who doesn't have 1.5million coins handy every time they want a couple of charms they find themselves screwed, they have to go and charge some Zen to pay for the CS items. PWI benefits again, thanks to the fact that since they halved the value of coins, many of us find ourselves with too few coin to support grinding with just the coin we will earn doing it (Since its all worth half as much, Duh!). So whip out your credit card. And the saddest part is that they won't even admit why they didn't want to do a rollback as if it wasn't plainly obvious what the "information on [their] side" was ($$$).
  • lordmoto
    lordmoto Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »
    "They" being the exploiters, and everyone else is paying twice as much. In order to exploit the bug many people (including many that I know personally), whipped out their credit cards to charge zen so they could get their hands on the bugged coins. So PWI benefited there.

    To anyone who doesn't have 1.5million coins handy every time they want a couple of charms they find themselves screwed, they have to go and charge some Zen to pay for the CS items. PWI benefits again, thanks to the fact that since they halved the value of coins, many of us find ourselves with too few coin to support grinding with just the coin we will earn doing it since its all worth half as much (Duh!). So whip out your credit card. And the saddest part is that they won't even admit why they didn't want to do a rollback as if it wasn't plainly obvious what the "information on [their] side" was ($$$).


    Hmmm that one is a tough one to figure out.. i can't seem to grasp that what your talking about here???? b:questionb:puzzled (sarcastic response)
  • Szioul - Heavens Tear
    Szioul - Heavens Tear Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Yeah, so basically some are paying double, some only half.
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  • blindeyesniper
    blindeyesniper Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Szioul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah, so basically some are paying double, some only half.

    More like majority are paying double and a minority are paying half.
  • Falls - Sanctuary
    Falls - Sanctuary Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Szioul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah, so basically some are paying double, some only half.

    Its more than that, since coins are devalued any coins gained through grinding and TW winnings and Quests are worth half as much as well, so the activities that might normally pay for things in game (aside from charging your credit card), are not worth as much anymore ;D.
  • Horrorpop - Heavens Tear
    Horrorpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    So many people complaining that those who sold gold before the downtime now have unfair advantages....
    Here's news... in a "F2P" game with a cash shop, those who put money into the game will ALWAYS have advantages.
    PW aren't going to take this away, when it comes down to it, they are a BUSINESS. Of course they value their paying player base over the non-paying. They are here to make money, not just entertain you for the fun of it.
    Sounds like most of you are the freeloaders complaining because some of those who PAY for your game got something decent back for a change.
    If you don't want people to have an advantage, go to a game with no cash shop, and suck up the ads and crappy graphics, or one with a monthly subscription where all are equal. This is the choice you make.
  • Falls - Sanctuary
    Falls - Sanctuary Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Horrorpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So many people complaining that those who sold gold before the downtime now have unfair advantages....
    Here's news... in a "F2P" game with a cash shop, those who put money into the game will ALWAYS have advantages.
    PW aren't going to take this away, when it comes down to it, they are a BUSINESS. Of course they value their paying player base over the non-paying. They are here to make money, not just entertain you for the fun of it.
    Sounds like most of you are the freeloaders complaining because some of those who PAY for your game got something decent back for a change.
    If you don't want people to have an advantage, go to a game with no cash shop, and suck up the ads and crappy graphics, or one with a monthly subscription where all are equal. This is the choice you make.

    Well the place were you are wrong is in assuming that it was just Cash Shop players who gained an advantage in this instance. I was both online and had 40 gold at the time this happened and chose not to exploit a bug and bugged money (because I play games for the challenge, not to cheat).

    If I was told today that PWI was having a sale of 20million coins for 20gold, I would gladly buy it, knowing that it wasn't a bug and available to all. For fairness sakes they probably should =/.
  • lordmoto
    lordmoto Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Horrorpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So many people complaining that those who sold gold before the downtime now have unfair advantages....
    Here's news... in a "F2P" game with a cash shop, those who put money into the game will ALWAYS have advantages.
    PW aren't going to take this away, when it comes down to it, they are a BUSINESS. Of course they value their paying player base over the non-paying. They are here to make money, not just entertain you for the fun of it.
    Sounds like most of you are the freeloaders complaining because some of those who PAY for your game got something decent back for a change.
    If you don't want people to have an advantage, go to a game with no cash shop, and suck up the ads and crappy graphics, or one with a monthly subscription where all are equal. This is the choice you make.

    Hmmm.. maybe you should have read the posts prior to this..or the other topics conserning this, before you make an claim that we are all FREELOADERS.
    F2P game correct.
    But when you use a glitch to get 100 of millions of coins.. how is that fair to a person who pays, even with a C/C, that didn't take advantage of this?

    Don't become another Lessie and say if you don't like it QUIT WHINNING, SHUT UP, and DON"T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT..
  • trips
    trips Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Not to beat on the dead horse. but I do agree with those saying rollback, and maybe they should give like 20% exp or double xp from stones or what not. And all that other stuff. I mean not to complain cause I don't have an issue buying what i need (cough cough I stay away from this horrid market..for the most part)b:angry but if you look at the AH in Heavens Tears. you will see what i mean. Mind you this is a server where it seems most people can hardly afford the water to wash their behinds (couldn't sell a Magenta dye for 55k LMAO) but they want to sell it for like 100k+. Now all of a sudden you have some people who can afford to buy (the price is not high but look at the quantity ) lots of zen. -consider it a bit of a standstill from someone who possibly benefited from the glitch and wants to make the market like PWMY version.- (though eventually it will happen but maybe its just coincidence it is happening now)b:chuckle

    Here.jpg

    you see the quantity? the 100k one got higher since then(about 353). That's interesting coming from a game that you hardly have 10 mil from being level 70+ and in a TW guild.b:shutup
  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Granted it's the weekend and more people generally play, but am I the only one that noticed am absurdly large number of "so-and-so has acquired <Legendary Pet> ticket" and "WTB <Boa/Raptor/other very high priced item>" over the last two days?


    Yup, the economy sure is doing just fine.
  • Michaeas - Sanctuary
    Michaeas - Sanctuary Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    What I really admire is that you don't even have to hide the fact that you participated in the exploit. This forum WAS (many have been deleted) full of posts from people proudly bragging about making excess money off of the bug.

    Even today, you can read people bragging about their new equipment, skills, higher crits, etc. in World Chat and in Say with no fear of repercussions or reprisals. (Other than maybe the rest of us honest people wishing harm on them under our breaths.) LOL :)


    Thanks.
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  • Horrorpop - Heavens Tear
    Horrorpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    lordmoto wrote: »
    Hmmm.. maybe you should have read the posts prior to this..or the other topics conserning this, before you make an claim that we are all FREELOADERS.
    F2P game correct.
    But when you use a glitch to get 100 of millions of coins.. how is that fair to a person who pays, even with a C/C, that didn't take advantage of this?

    Don't become another Lessie and say if you don't like it QUIT WHINNING, SHUT UP, and DON"T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT..

    The glitch did not FORCE people to pay 600k each for coins on the auction house. People willing paid this, and those selling gold used this feature of the game entirely as intended. Yes, prices were influenced by the glitch, but it was not an abuse of the glitch itself. These people paid their coin willingly, and should have known the consequences.
  • blindeyesniper
    blindeyesniper Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Daerys - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Granted it's the weekend and more people generally play, but am I the only one that noticed am absurdly large number of "so-and-so has acquired <Legendary Pet> ticket" and "WTB <Boa/Raptor/other very high priced item>" over the last two days?


    Yup, the economy sure is doing just fine.

    I notice too. All the feathers are gone in auction and only one auction listing for a batch of 1k sources for 4 mil starting bet in auction. b:cry
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Last I checked gold was being sold between 104k-112k, and people were buying between 99k-100k. I'd hardly call that inflated. Give it time, and it will either stabilize at that, or drop further. It really is too soon to run around screaming the sky is falling.
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