I'm Very Confused...

Ghettodog - Lost City
Ghettodog - Lost City Posts: 44 Arc User
edited February 2009 in Barbarian
Everyone on forums says that a humanoid pure barb is just a weak bm, ok I can see that. I understand to be a good tank you want to max your tiger skills, should I just forget about humanoid skills and focus on tiger skills since it's best for tanking?

Some advice please?
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  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    If you were on a PvE, I would say: Yes, forget about humanoide skills. In PvE your task in a party is to be the tank, so it's in evitable to lvl up skills like flesh realm, alacrity of the beast, shapeshift intensity, beast king's inspiration. I would say these are the least you need to be a decent tank. The few SP you will have left over after these skills and the skills you need to get just lvl1 (they really start to become rare at lvl29 to 40, after that it will get a little bit better), might be enough to have like 1 humanoide skill maxed. In PvE this really isn't worth doing, so you better put those into for instance poison fang or devour to get a better attack in tiger (just my opinion).

    However, you're on Lost City, and I don't know anything about PK barb builds. From what I've read so far, some say to go humanoide build in PK; others say to go tiger untill a certain lvl; others say tiger works just fine in PK. Since I've no personnal experience in PK, I can't advice you on that.
  • The ferenczy - Sanctuary
    The ferenczy - Sanctuary Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    i am a pve tank build but my two bits is.

    if you are gonna be a tank on a pvp server then you might wanna keep a wary eye out when around higher lvls are abound and get true form lvl 3 as that will aide in a timely escape from pink dot unwanted confrontations. never run from mobs , bosses alway run from pink dot ;)

    with that said and i will take flack for this i am sure. a couple of human skills leveled a little bit helps alot since they will do more damage than a basic attack. and keeping the lvls low also keeps the mana cost down so unlike your tank skill that will do rufly the same amount of damage they will cost less mana. this helps keep pot costs down. while still not gimping your grinding and kill quests.
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  • The ferenczy - Sanctuary
    The ferenczy - Sanctuary Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    again remember very few skills are black and white 90% of this game is shaded in grey.
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  • Dusk - Lost City
    Dusk - Lost City Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    This is what i did, until lv 70 or so, all i did was get enough money to max my tiger skills. Now that my tiger/tanking skills are maxed, i'm free to level human skills for pvp
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I've been leveling my Barbarian using Human Form 90% of the time without much of an issue. Goes through mana pots, but that's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Pandamodium - Lost City
    Pandamodium - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I did just as OMGLAZERZ and are lvling only in humanoid form.
    In first hand I lvl Mighty Swing and Penetrate Armor and then I lvl up my tiger skills
  • XXDaSAVAGEXx - Sanctuary
    XXDaSAVAGEXx - Sanctuary Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    i am a pure humanoid barb and have no prob tanking (using the duel axe format for point allocation) i have plenty if hp all u need is a good cleric freind and u should do just fine b:pleased
  • Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear
    Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear Posts: 169 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I play on a Pve, and recently ran an FB with a barb that was about 10 lvls lower than me. He played humanoid barb soley and between me and the wizzy and cleric that were grouped with him, we found that he had a very tough time holding aggro. Being that we were high enough lvl we survived...I do not know if this is because the aggro in human form is lower or if it was because his level was so much lower than ours. I am currently working on my barb strickly with tiger skills to put this to the test a little more.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Humanoid form has no aggro skills. Its purely dps based in that case.
    Tigerform has aggro skills like fleashream, devour and roar. (Maybe frighten too?)

    Just yesterday in TT2-1 I was holding aggro with flesh-ream doing 600 damage (with added 70 dmg per bleed)b:chuckle on the boss, while the wizard was managing 6k+ dmg per hit.

    So tiger skills add and hold aggro better. Period!
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  • Devarsi - Sanctuary
    Devarsi - Sanctuary Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I believe garrotte creates aggro.. because bleeds are what create and hold aggro the best.. but garrotte doesn't bleed for very much so it creates weak aggro
  • Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear
    Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear Posts: 169 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Um. well, I agree with you mostly Hazard, but Penetrate armor is supposed to "increase your threat" and that is a humanoid skill..But it is the only one I see and I do not know how effective it really is. Obviously not too effective if the bard could not hold aggro...or better yet he didnt know that it would hold aggro, or secretively...he didnt wanna hold aggro. I know before we started he did make a comment about my hp being a bit higher than his...he may have just not seen himself as a tank and was tryin to be a DD.

    b:shutupdidn't mean to contradict you Hazard....you post lots and i appreciate most of what your sayin!!
  • Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear
    Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear Posts: 169 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Oh, and while garrote is a bleed, no where in the descriptors does it say it increases threat...at least not that I can find. I do believe in general bleeds tend to **** of the mobs a bit but are not strong enough to hold aggro alone..


    Just a guess though
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Um. well, I agree with you mostly Hazard, but Penetrate armor is supposed to "increase your threat" and that is a humanoid skill..But it is the only one I see and I do not know how effective it really is. Obviously not too effective if the bard could not hold aggro...or better yet he didnt know that it would hold aggro, or secretively...he didnt wanna hold aggro. I know before we started he did make a comment about my hp being a bit higher than his...he may have just not seen himself as a tank and was tryin to be a DD.

    b:shutupdidn't mean to contradict you Hazard....you post lots and i appreciate most of what your sayin!!

    Lol, most? Appreciate it ALL! b:laugh b:laugh <j/k>

    Yeah penetrate armour does create hate, but thats only if the mob is already attacking you. If its focused on another, using penetrate armor will not steal aggro back, unless ofcourse the accompanying dps is higher than the other players (unlikely but possible).
    And once again, devour in tiger form does the same thing only much better. b:chuckle
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  • fuzzles
    fuzzles Posts: 628 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I believe garrotte creates aggro.. because bleeds are what create and hold aggro the best.. but garrotte doesn't bleed for very much so it creates weak aggro

    Lies.

    Bleed isn't what creates aggro. Bleed has nothing to with aggro. Dunno how you can manage to hit level 70 on a barb and not know that.

    Flesh ream holds aggro well, not because it's a bleed, but because that's what the skill does.
    Everyone here is ridiculously oversensitive.
  • Ithilmir - Sanctuary
    Ithilmir - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    If Bleed creates aggro, Blademastes would actually be able to tank.
  • Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear
    Samsamsimply - Heavens Tear Posts: 169 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    b:chuckle
    No, even though some people believe Bm's can tank...its a farse!
    Draw blood is a bleed but not an aggro and stream strike, which is an aggro is usually overpowered by almost any attack thrown at it from anyone that hits with any kind of damage....Trust me, I have tried, i end up spending more time running after mobs then actually hitting them cause everything pulls aggro from me!!
  • The ferenczy - Sanctuary
    The ferenczy - Sanctuary Posts: 275 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    if at the begining of the fight you hit the boss first and really lay in with slam, and garrote, and penetrate armor. and your tank starts the fight with roar. then yeah you can tank untill the real tank uses any tank skill or a blade master starts to hit the mob.

    ps. frighten doesn't do well for agro. it fits right below devour. nice to increase but will never hold.
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