Back up tank/tired of you veno's

darkness7 · February 2009

To start off here's my illogical rant...
Most venomancer's i know are silly.They keep bragging to me about how overpowered there rare pets are as an excuse to back up there *i paid 2 mill 500 thousand coins....cuteness*
I know Golems and Scorpions with <start lvl2> have wayy wayy better damage than any of the rare pets in game..even Herc (not Phoenix xD).I'm tired of pulling bosses with my Golem against a Herc 20 level's higher than my own pet and veno's nagging about how it's *my fault,i did something I'm not suppose to* basically i have to use low damage pets to atk bosses with herc for tanks because they suck at holding aggro when around a good damage dealing pet *cough.. has to kill slow with noob pet..*blames Herc* * .
My Golem is weaker in defense but he and my Scorpion and Froggling are capable of tanking the Bosses we do in our runs.
In -fb's- and -T.T.- runs I see venomancers 10-20 levels higher than me use a Khowling to pull mobs just to see that weak thing die and pull all 6 lvl 70+ monsters into that 1 veno.I end up sending my Golem to aggro some than run like hell and summon my other 2 pets after Golem dies to save this one veno.When this happens..which does almost every freakin run another veno rez her Herc and I die while every one fights to stay alive.I save a life and loose exp for it just to keep squad alive enough to fix the epic fail of a weak veno pet's pulling abilities.
I have a pet Crystaline Magmite with all level 4 skills ...i max them out asap when the lvl req is avaliable for next lvl skill.As a pulling aggro pet he is very good and almost perfect for taking aggro's out of any ones hands in emergency situations

but like most rare pet's my frog is low damage and can't hold aggro unless i keep casting roar.
When I'm battling in game my Golem does 2.1-2.4k damage with skills while my veno does 3-7k.
My frog does 1.1k damage which is sad

so i tought him roar to hold aggro for longer.
If any one here from Sanctuary have a pet with lvl 2-5 roar skill can you give me your opinion on it's pulling uses please xD?My Frog's roar is lvl1 and doesn't hold aggro every time but I am just wondering if I level it to 4 would it have any trouble keeping aggro? I sometimes lag and so when my Golem takes aggro to save someone and dies to it ,I have to quickly summon Frog and cast Ironwood Scarab and AoE on it while frog hits it 2-4 times before it gets aggro.These monsters kill my veno in 2-6 hits so I want frog holding it now and immediately <not later> ...>.<
I do not use my rare frog pet as a grinding pet unless there's more than 2 aggro who cast allot of magic like in the swamps nearby xDXDXDXDXDXD

More than anything right now I want to max out all my skills even the useless ones ;3 and get a super pet bag for my pet but only have 2 mill which is not enough.
T.T. and fb's make me money fast so I'm ju$t wondering if Teaching my frog -roar rank 4- would help hold aggro for a good minute.
T.T. has to come first because I want money to get Herc and Pheonix in the near future. Herc is a wonderful tanking pet but sadly his damage sucks compaired to my regular non-Legendary pets.
I like having high accuracy and damage on my pets so i went by what i found on the internet lvl90 pet statistics....
Herc damage 2672/Golem damage 3240/Scorpion 3336/and Frog 2104
I hate my frog but he's so cute >_< and has high magic defense and has both def stats better than Scorp.

I use Golem for grinding and bosses.And Scorpion for high damage and accuracy. Frog is pretty fast and has nice defence so for pulling he's a must for me since Khowling start lvl60 and like all high start lvl pet's..his stats suck at an early state.i do have more pet's but for now since my pet bags 4 slots only i could only these 3.
Phoenix damage 4096 + 30% with buff b:cry I want one.
I'm very frustrated about all this for the past few day's so it might not make sense when you read it. anyways if u understand please tell me if roar lvl2-5 worth getting to hold aggro's
a website i read said Bash good for holding/taking aggro and so are magic casting skills but my frogs low damage anyways so i fear it wont do.Flesh realm if bugged in pvp supposebly but for taking aggro it's epic and has weaker aggresion taking abilties than Bash skill.
Bash vs Roar for taking 1 monster quickly i dunno >.<
in Squad mdoe in T.T. i can't hold boss on my own with Golem or other pets but when Herc dies or something goes wrong with my lvl 7+ pet heal i can hold boss for about 12-20 seconds before dying..it's enough time for other veno to rez Herc and even with monsters who aggro wrong tank i like saving the day and making my runs allot smoother and quicker.
Safe?no ones safe in T.T. lol xD

i hope this is legible and that you readers understand where I'm going with my whiny rant.
This is not a attack to veno's who love cute/rare pets. I'm just tired of being the hated Target and being blamed for not doing things there way when my way is safer or faster at times. I go by statistics and from what I'm seeing my pet's are better for the situations some of you veno's use your rare pets for.Such as pulling high lvl damage dealing aggro's with a weak pet.
every veno i know with Herc says he's good at holding aggro when he gets lvl5 bash but if my Golems his same or near his lvl his bash higher damage by almost 5-6k.
if Herc dies i want to teach my Frog Roar for he can be emergency tank and won't curs teh veno'z

b:shockedb:shocked
I'm not angry ..just confused with good/bad logic for this game
what is best?

Solandri - Heavens Tear · February 2009

darkness7 wrote: »

I know Golems and Scorpions with <start lvl2> have wayy wayy better damage than any of the rare pets in game..even Herc (not Phoenix xD).I'm tired of pulling bosses with my Golem against a Herc 20 level's higher than my own pet and veno's nagging about how it's *my fault,i did something I'm not suppose to* basically i have to use low damage pets to atk bosses with herc for tanks because they suck at holding aggro when around a good damage dealing pet

If your pet is pulling aggro from a better tank, right-click its default skill. That'll make it so it doesn't use any skills (none of the pet skills will have the yellow highlight). It should only get aggro from the damage it does then.

darkness7 · February 2009

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If your pet is pulling aggro from a better tank, right-click its default skill. That'll make it so it doesn't use any skills (none of the pet skills will have the yellow highlight). It should only get aggro from the damage it does then.

It still pulls aggro sometimes i am sick of it b:cry
Doesn't change the fact Herc has lower damage..He has buff buff reflect buff and Pounce.Pounce slow cooldown if I'm not mistaken like a dodoo bear.
Eventually highest damage pulls aggro one veno's healing it others casting like crazy while my antibuffs cause Golems atk to..well suicide xD
my frogs 1.1k lower damage than golem so i unsommon him and summon golem to pull aggro is it dies.It would be nice if i could add that 1k+ damage *not skills just base damage atk) into the fight but it's suicide.
every Herc owner wants to teach him bash but for some reason i want my frog to know Roar since he lower damage as Golem as well.
@_@ zZzz

Dioica - Sanctuary · February 2009

Does your froggy have an unused skill, so you can teach him threaten, to help keep him alive?

Dazels - Lost City · February 2009

Ehm yeah..Herc is amazing when it comes to tanking.

First off his reflect returning melee dammage its 70% or 60% not sure.
Second his Pdef and Mdef buffs wich make him the 1# tank pet.

My herc can tank Hh sqaud bosses aswell as fb59-79 bosses try that with ur golem b:chuckle

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear · February 2009

Jsut for a note: KOWLINS ARE NOT TANKS!!!

They are Lures. They are special becuase of their SPEED and high attacks. It's NOT weak in any sense of attack. What he is weak in is that he is *squishy*, his HP is low as is his defenses. If he's dying, then the Veno isn't fast enough at stowing their pet or it doesn't have full HP. People like Kowlin becuase hes fast and at level 77 can outrun my own land mount. So, don't QQ before you know why they are used.

I use my Kowlin strictly for luring and occasionally grinding since tossing him a heal every 4 attacks doesn't bother me at all.

BTW, if the pet dies, it still only pulls the ONE mob, unless the controller healed it or attacked one of the mobs. >.>;

I have several times in FB70 sent my pet and sacrificed him to the group of mobs for the boss so that I could get away. Only one mob came even though he died.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear · February 2009

Tank =/= High Damage

Tank = TAKES Damage

=D

That being said, Barbs are one of the weakest attack classes, thus the term TANK.

Herc = Tank beucase his Defenses, Buffs, and HP allow for it.

It's the Veno Solo Pet. With it you can damn near SOLO the whole game.

KillaBee_ - Sanctuary · February 2009

The herc is great for everything!

I have replaced the skill pounce with roar, which holds aggro (15 sec cool-down). It works better than bash for a low-damage pet because it steals / holds aggro regardless of lvl or attack power. It holds aggro through all of my attacks and easily withstands their attacks.

It took me a while to figure out how to correctly lure mobs with my herc. For some reason, he would aggro all the mobs in the area when I sent him in...

I discovered that when you use the Herc to lure, you cannot have his reflect buff activated. Even if he does not attack the other mobs in the area, his reflect buff seems to draw the attacks of the mobs in the area, and causes all the mobs to be aggro'd. His speed is really good and he is fast enough to lure in almost any situation. Just unsummon/resummon him and his buffs will be gone, and only activate the def buffs when using him for luring.

Hope this info helps ^_^

Amaoni - Sanctuary · February 2009

Wall of text hon.
In some situations, rares just don't compare to the good ole normal pets or can be replaced by something almost as good.

It's magic def isn't as good as froggy, but my sharpshooter was able to tank the magic boss in fb39.

I use:
Areal:
foxwing (the first one)
sawfly

Tanks:
golem (with roar)
sharpshooter (like it better than my golem)

Underwater:
tortoise lvled up from lvl 8 (can tank mobs 20 lvls higher than it)
undine wench

Magic:
antelope pup

All around:
snow hare
shoudo (with roar)

KittFoxx - Sanctuary · February 2009

darkness7 wrote: »

To start off here's my illogical rant...
Most venomancer's i know are silly.They keep bragging to me about how overpowered there rare pets are as an excuse to back up there *i paid 2 mill 500 thousand coins....cuteness*
I know Golems and Scorpions with <start lvl2> have wayy wayy better damage than any of the rare pets in game..even Herc (not Phoenix xD).I'm tired of pulling bosses with my Golem against a Herc 20 level's higher than my own pet and veno's nagging about how it's *my fault,i did something I'm not suppose to* basically i have to use low damage pets to atk bosses with herc for tanks because they suck at holding aggro when around a good damage dealing pet *cough.. has to kill slow with noob pet..*blames Herc* * .
My Golem is weaker in defense but he and my Scorpion and Froggling are capable of tanking the Bosses we do in our runs.
In -fb's- and -T.T.- runs I see venomancers 10-20 levels higher than me use a Khowling to pull mobs just to see that weak thing die and pull all 6 lvl 70+ monsters into that 1 veno.I end up sending my Golem to aggro some than run like hell and summon my other 2 pets after Golem dies to save this one veno.When this happens..which does almost every freakin run another veno rez her Herc and I die while every one fights to stay alive.I save a life and loose exp for it just to keep squad alive enough to fix the epic fail of a weak veno pet's pulling abilities.
I have a pet Crystaline Magmite with all level 4 skills ...i max them out asap when the lvl req is avaliable for next lvl skill.As a pulling aggro pet he is very good and almost perfect for taking aggro's out of any ones hands in emergency situations but like most rare pet's my frog is low damage and can't hold aggro unless i keep casting roar.
When I'm battling in game my Golem does 2.1-2.4k damage with skills while my veno does 3-7k.
My frog does 1.1k damage which is sad so i tought him roar to hold aggro for longer.
If any one here from Sanctuary have a pet with lvl 2-5 roar skill can you give me your opinion on it's pulling uses please xD?My Frog's roar is lvl1 and doesn't hold aggro every time but I am just wondering if I level it to 4 would it have any trouble keeping aggro? I sometimes lag and so when my Golem takes aggro to save someone and dies to it ,I have to quickly summon Frog and cast Ironwood Scarab and AoE on it while frog hits it 2-4 times before it gets aggro.These monsters kill my veno in 2-6 hits so I want frog holding it now and immediately <not later> ...>.<
I do not use my rare frog pet as a grinding pet unless there's more than 2 aggro who cast allot of magic like in the swamps nearby xDXDXDXDXDXD

More than anything right now I want to max out all my skills even the useless ones ;3 and get a super pet bag for my pet but only have 2 mill which is not enough.
T.T. and fb's make me money fast so I'm ju$t wondering if Teaching my frog -roar rank 4- would help hold aggro for a good minute.
T.T. has to come first because I want money to get Herc and Pheonix in the near future. Herc is a wonderful tanking pet but sadly his damage sucks compaired to my regular non-Legendary pets.
I like having high accuracy and damage on my pets so i went by what i found on the internet lvl90 pet statistics....
Herc damage 2672/Golem damage 3240/Scorpion 3336/and Frog 2104
I hate my frog but he's so cute >_< and has high magic defense and has both def stats better than Scorp.

I use Golem for grinding and bosses.And Scorpion for high damage and accuracy. Frog is pretty fast and has nice defence so for pulling he's a must for me since Khowling start lvl60 and like all high start lvl pet's..his stats suck at an early state.i do have more pet's but for now since my pet bags 4 slots only i could only these 3.
Phoenix damage 4096 + 30% with buff b:cry I want one.
I'm very frustrated about all this for the past few day's so it might not make sense when you read it. anyways if u understand please tell me if roar lvl2-5 worth getting to hold aggro's
a website i read said Bash good for holding/taking aggro and so are magic casting skills but my frogs low damage anyways so i fear it wont do.Flesh realm if bugged in pvp supposebly but for taking aggro it's epic and has weaker aggresion taking abilties than Bash skill.
Bash vs Roar for taking 1 monster quickly i dunno >.<
in Squad mdoe in T.T. i can't hold boss on my own with Golem or other pets but when Herc dies or something goes wrong with my lvl 7+ pet heal i can hold boss for about 12-20 seconds before dying..it's enough time for other veno to rez Herc and even with monsters who aggro wrong tank i like saving the day and making my runs allot smoother and quicker.
Safe?no ones safe in T.T. lol xD

i hope this is legible and that you readers understand where I'm going with my whiny rant.
This is not a attack to veno's who love cute/rare pets. I'm just tired of being the hated Target and being blamed for not doing things there way when my way is safer or faster at times. I go by statistics and from what I'm seeing my pet's are better for the situations some of you veno's use your rare pets for.Such as pulling high lvl damage dealing aggro's with a weak pet.
every veno i know with Herc says he's good at holding aggro when he gets lvl5 bash but if my Golems his same or near his lvl his bash higher damage by almost 5-6k.
if Herc dies i want to teach my Frog Roar for he can be emergency tank and won't curs teh veno'z b:shockedb:shocked
I'm not angry ..just confused with good/bad logic for this game
what is best?

few errors in your post that i see.

1. herc best tank bar none- if you pull aggro off a herc then your attacking way too soon/hercs pet skills arent set up correctly. Example when i was 65, my 75 veno friend needed a chrono boss in the swamp. Her frog could not tank it , I pull out lvl 65 Buddha and solo tank him with the 75 veno chain nuking and couldnt pull aggro off herc. Same deal with Suzerix but at lower lvl. Her pets could not keep aggro and I ended up having to tank it at 55ish.

Golems are great tanks, but they are no herc. When a herc can reflect 1-2k + damage a hit they build up aggro very fast and its hard to pull aggro off it,unless you attack too early again and your golem will not compare to hercs damage plus his reflect damage.

2. kowlins only pull 1 mob at a time, not 6-7 ( kowlin wont live long enough to pull that many mobs anyway ) so how this veno is pulling 6 + mobs with a kowlin is beond me unless the noob is healing it to keep it alive.

Vinat - Sanctuary · February 2009

um good lure pet = one that is fast. hp and p/m-def are irrelevant.

when in squads i use my herc to lure unless there is another veno who doesnt have herc i make them do it to save me the time of the extra unsummon to deactivate the reflect buff.

and since i lvld bash up herc hasnt really had a problem holding aggro on most bosses. i find tho that magic using single targeting bosses have a greater tendency to shift aggro.. a lot.

Back up tank/tired of you veno's

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