Balance in all things
Solanai - Heavens Tear
Posts: 13 Arc User
I'm fairly new to the game and I love it, but I'm slightly confused when it comes to stat allocation, and I've read quite a few threads dealing with different ways distribute my stats for maximum efficiency. So my problem is why does everyone say never add to you MAG? I run out of MP so fast that it would be foolish to not add a few here and there, and I found that most people say that in the long run that you'll regret it. Well when you're just starting out why is it so bad to add to your MAG when it will save you coins and time, because I found that getting my MAG to 10 has done quite a bit to make me much more efficient becuase I'm not buying pots anymore to help sustain my mana so I don't have to stop what I'm doing to meditate. So with that being said, I think its a good dicision to not add to MAG on a regular basis but to add two or three stats within 10 levels like instead of adding 3 STR and 2 DEX, do something like add the 2 to MAG instead of DEX every so often. But like I said I'm still new, and in my play time I've found that there is no magic stat allocation process to make you a god and you should add to your stats according to your play style.
If I'm being a complete idiot let me know.
If I'm being a complete idiot let me know.
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You will regret it. I'd rather spend a couple of minutes meditating to recover mana than buying pots or using attribute point on Mag. So, this way, you save both money and attribute points that could be allocated in much better places. At higher levels, also, the mana you got from Mag. 5 is enough.
Simple and short. I hope it helps you. b:bye0 -
Having MP problems? Get to 30 and start making focus powders at the apothecary. Problem solved.0
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Ok but as it is I'm still level 14 and I can all always change it later, and since everyone says adding to MAG is bad I guess I won't but I'm really impatient so thats what led to adding to my MAG, so I guess I'll just try to be a little more patient. But I'm gonna stick with the 10 in MAG for now and if i abosultly need the other 5 somewhere else I'll fix it.
Oh I had another question, as a BM with 10 MAG how high would my MP get at say LVl 50 as opposed another BM with only 5 MAG. I don't know the how MP increases work so someone please enlighten me.0 -
DeOso - Lost City wrote: »Having MP problems? Get to 30 and start making focus powders at the apothecary. Problem solved.
Ummm get to 30? do you mean level 30 or get MAG to 30?
sorry if I'm an idiot.0 -
He meant get to Lvl 30.0
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Ya I'm and idiot, sorry:(0
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i personally have 10 into maq and it is a lot easier for me to grind.....i dont care what u have to say but maq isnt so damn bad0
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Solanai - Heavens Tear wrote: »Oh I had another question, as a BM with 10 MAG how high would my MP get at say LVl 50 as opposed another BM with only 5 MAG. I don't know the how MP increases work so someone please enlighten me.
Each point of mag adds 9 mp. So:
Lvl 50 BM with 5 mag= 907 mp
Lvl 50 BM with 10 mag= 952 mp
Seriously, don't add any more magic. It's REALLY just a waste of stat points because you'll easily be fine without adding any.
If you think your wasting too much money on pots, make a cleric. You'll see what real MP burn is like... b:laugh0 -
DeOso - Lost City wrote: »Each point of mag adds 9 mp. So:
Lvl 50 BM with 5 mag= 907 mp
Lvl 50 BM with 10 mag= 952 mp
Seriously, don't add any more magic. It's REALLY just a waste of stat points because you'll easily be fine without adding any.
If you think your wasting too much money on pots, make a cleric. You'll see what real MP burn is like... b:laugh
Axe BMs go through MP fast as well, spamming AoEs and what not
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man i was stupid enough to put 30 mag and now im regretting it. well at least i have alot of mana[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Basically any magic will sacrifice damage, accuracy or HP which will simply cost you more in the long run.0
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if you think of it in terms of value per point, you will see that its a bad way to allocate your points, if you get 9pts per in magic and your getting 15per point in vits, i would take the extra vit, if you have the points to spare anyway. more bang for your buck, use pots if your mana runs low, its what most of us bm's do. It is not overly expensive and it lets you use the points where they really count for us.0
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Stormkeeper - Lost City wrote: »i personally have 10 into maq and it is a lot easier for me to grind.....i dont care what u have to say but maq isnt so damn bad
Yes, it is. It does absolutely NOTHING for BMs AT ALL. 50 more MP is absolutely, 100% useless.0 -
I'm currently at lvl61 with my mag at three stat points (uesd a reset scroll and took out the 2 base points) and my MP is now 1217..
and i use lower level pots, they fill it up quick and almost fully, or i buy a bronze mp charm..
Bm's with 3MAG for the win X30 -
And at higher levels, that extra 50 points of mag will probobly give you ONE more extra skill pop, while your normal attack is at least half of that skills damage, and depending on your DPS, you can cover that easliy, but this is just me, seems other people agree, others wont.. its fine by me.. like i say, Bronze spirit charms are cheap b:victory0
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I dont think, that BMs has got problems with MP O.o
I'm lvl 57 axe~aoe BM and never had got any probs with my MPb:victory with or without charms ^^0 -
I had the same situation as the OP. So, I added Mag (24) on my stats on purpouse. However, I did not know at the time the allocation was pretty much permanent.
Not all is bad, in PVE. It allowes me to keep my ongoing self repeatable combo going for long time while doing attacks on mobs. people get surprised seeing my character machine continuesly using skills one after the other. They think I'm spending a lot in pots/charms.
Saying that, I try to upgrade my defence as much as I can. Since, other blademasters would be faster killing me, due to more points in the other stats.
Another way to notice that you have too much mp is dueling a higher level player.
Yesterday, I was in a duel with a Veno 10 leves higher than me. I attacked that pet almost with eveything I had (except for two skills that I did not use for lack of sparks). My skills on the combo are all upgraded to the max (except 1, just for a level only). My armor and weapons are the best at my level too.
When I was defeated, I still had about 25% of my MP bar left, and I had left the pet with about 40% of his life points. Not too bad I think.
That means with more points in the other stats and less on maq, I could have had a better chance of doing more damage prior getting killed. However, is not totally acurate since I did not use 2 of my sparks skills which also use MP.
I will repeat the duel again and use the other spark skills and see how much MP I have left prior getting killed.0 -
i accidentally add 3 points in mag instead of str at low lvl and still new to the game, some of you think oh it just only 3 points no matter. But for me it like a huge mistake, now im really regret itbb:thanks0
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I put some magic points, maybe +10, into my BM as well. I can see why people say you will regret it later but I feel it made the beginning of the game more enjoyable for me. Doesn't it also give you higher magic defense? That should count for something.0
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As I said at my level I have maq at 24 but after giving some thought I understood it was mistake if you see it this way.
If you need more mp, just use more potions.
If you don't have enough mp to use skills and kill a mob, adding MP was not the right solution. You should add points in STR and DEX and then use potions.
However, when you are in low levels you think that you just need more MAQ (MP)to kill the mob rather than hitting harder and make them miss more.
What is for sure, is that you can buy MP anytime you need. but you cannot buy STR or DEX. Sorry, some armor and items give you more STR and DEX I think.0 -
Stormkeeper - Lost City wrote: »i personally have 10 into maq and it is a lot easier for me to grind.....i dont care what u have to say but maq isnt so damn bad
Dude, you're level 23.....you don't know what's good or bad.
Every point you take away from Dex or Str and put into Mag, takes away from your ability get a crit, make a hit where you would otherwise miss, dodge a hit, or hit for more damage. This works like compound interest does on a loan....the higher you get in levels, the more those simple 5 points in Mag are going to cripple you as the reduction in accuracy, dodge, or power builds on itself each and every level.
As a melee class, you should be starting each attack on a mob with stun (roar of the pride), followed by bleed and the remainder of the time should be regular attacks. If you put your points into str or dex, those regular attacks do more damage, more often and will usually kill the mob quicker than spamming skills. As a result, you don't use your MP, so you don't need as many pots. If you doubt what I'm saying, watch an experienced BM doing an FB run. Even on the bosses, we will use a skill every now and then (mostly our 2 spark skill...on regular mobs we will use a stun skill or an aoe skill) but other than that, we use regular attacks.
The only time, I repeat the ONLY time a BM should be spamming skills is during PVP. And even then, a PVP match between 2 competent players is over in a max of 3 or 4 hits so MP isn't an issue.0 -
Dar_Malkier - Lost City wrote: »Dude, you're level 23.....you don't know what's good or bad.
Every point you take away from Dex or Str and put into Mag, takes away from your ability get a crit, make a hit where you would otherwise miss, dodge a hit, or hit for more damage. This works like compound interest does on a loan....the higher you get in levels, the more those simple 5 points in Mag are going to cripple you as the reduction in accuracy, dodge, or power builds on itself each and every level.
As a melee class, you should be starting each attack on a mob with stun (roar of the pride), followed by bleed and the remainder of the time should be regular attacks. If you put your points into str or dex, those regular attacks do more damage, more often and will usually kill the mob quicker than spamming skills. As a result, you don't use your MP, so you don't need as many pots. If you doubt what I'm saying, watch an experienced BM doing an FB run. Even on the bosses, we will use a skill every now and then (mostly our 2 spark skill...on regular mobs we will use a stun skill or an aoe skill) but other than that, we use regular attacks.
The only time, I repeat the ONLY time a BM should be spamming skills is during PVP. And even then, a PVP match between 2 competent players is over in a max of 3 or 4 hits so MP isn't an issue.
I've been learning that the hard way. However, using normal attacks looks boring an un-flashy to me.
I like to show off my skill combos (as well as my armor and dual swords/blades).
I guess, if I want to win and be efficient. I have to do as you recomend.
However, If I want to have fun and be flashy. I have to do otherwise.0 -
Yes Granrey, you are absolutely correct in one aspect......the most important thing in this game is to have fun. Therefor, the most important thing for you is to play in the style that you enjoy the most.
I can understand what you're saying about being flashy and all, but to me (and it's just a matter of personal opinion) what really impresses someone is how fast you can kill the mob....not how many flips, and spirals, and so forth you do while killing it.
"Oh man I died. But hey, I looked impressive as h**l while I was dieing didn't I?" LOL0 -
Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »I guess, if I want to win and be efficient. I have to do as you recomend.
However, If I want to have fun and be flashy. I have to do otherwise.
You've confused me here...
How can you have fun if you're not winning, being efficient and showing people how awesome you are at the game? b:questionEveryone here is ridiculously oversensitive.0 -
You've confused me here...
How can you have fun if you're not winning, being efficient and showing people how awesome you are at the game? b:question
I’ll try to be short. LOL
I admit I do not do PK yet, I just duel and fight mobs. I hope to do TW in the future and as I mentioned above, having MAG on 24 was due to ignorance and confusion too.
I still win but I do not win as quickly as Mike Tyson but still quick compared to other players. Since, my combos are very efficient and powerful.
I do get, every now and then 2 secs kills on mobs close to my level, since most of my skills (even the bugged ones like tiger maw) are upgraded almost to the max.
I find flashier, killing a mob after 1 round or two of my repeatable skill’s combo, rather than just 1 or two skills plus normal attack as somebody mentioned above. If I like that I play other games using shotguns that make 1 shot kill.
I find more entertaining for me (and other players watching me) using all the amazing skills the BM has with dual swords or blades in Combo.
I find really badass, to apply a complete combo (5 skills) and use draw blood later. Turn your back on the mob, and let him die while you stay still or do something else.
I have had good reviews from other players when they see me applying my combo at that speed.0 -
Smoothb - Heavens Tear wrote: »I put some magic points, maybe +10, into my BM as well. I can see why people say you will regret it later but I feel it made the beginning of the game more enjoyable for me. Doesn't it also give you higher magic defense? That should count for something.
no actually it increases mp recovery, magic damage, and max mp. vit increases magic damage in addition to hp recovery rate, max hp, and physical damage. i personally prefer to go with the bare minimum on dex and str, and then just put all the rest of my points on vit. watch out barbarians i'm your hard core rival.0 -
You've confused me here...
How can you have fun if you're not winning, being efficient and showing people how awesome you are at the game? b:question
several peopel just like messin around o.o thats what i'm here to do XD hence the "jester" part in my name. i'm here to get a good laugh, and i just put allot of points on vit because to me having high hp, and takin out boss mobs is the funnest part of the game. i honestly don't care if peopel think i'm the best or not ^^ what others think is of no consiquence to me XDb:laugh0 -
yeah, i have cleric (low lvl 24 i think..) and thats weird that mine hp (~500) is usulay bigger than mp (2k) xD even i use hp potions to save mana from healing.. ;D and fo bm tese 5 points for mana gives u only 50extra mana and i think that wont feel a lot later, so better more 5 str ar vit than maq
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Having Mag isnt a bad thing, Up till lvl 55 i had around 40 magic due to my stupidity at lower lvls, but it was really nice having good mana regen speed, so i could spam skills for awhile without buffs.
But in the long run i hated it, with stats in Mag you lose valuable Str, Dex and Vit and at higher lvls those matter far more than MP. Besides at higher lvls your more prone to be in groups so you have the MP/HP regen buff to solve that problem.
So for everyone curious, Dont add magic if your going for a DD or a Hybrid Tank BM, It will kill you in the long run.
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