mana management

mmm, glacial embrace+focus powder and a mana potion every now and then keeps cost to a minimal especially if you go already have the crane herbs. A charm is not a good investment imo simply becasue it kicks in at 75% mana. Don't forget that you have a natural regen rate. At lvl 45 with lvl 8 glacial embrace I get roughly 22 mana regen when I am not in fighting mode, add 50 from focus powder (not to mention meditating doubles rate so around 140+ mana/sec). You can regen 5k mana in about 30seconds when meditating. Just my 2 cents.

Charm charm charm.
If you're going to buy mana regen items, get a gold mp hiero.

as an added note. Try to put one point on essential sutra to keep your max hp 20% higher. Lvl one is fine because it jumps from 0% to 20% in just one lvl. And from than on remember to cast double spark eruption whenever you get two sparks to regain mp. This helps a lot in conserving my mana. Each double spark eruption i do while grinding gives me back about 950 mp. Saves a shitload of money since im constantly stacking fury.

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are you a full int wizard? Cause I am, and when I use wellspring quaff, I have enough mana to use untill I need to meditate for my HP. Just be patience, you will have enough mana eventually. Level Glacial embrace and use wellspring quaff (when you reach 30).

I'm new and I doubt that it will ever be addressed but even in my short time playing this game that the reliance on charms is not a positive aspect of this game. To me it subtracts from the character for example when I used a HP charm technique/skill became irrelavant while farming.

i would say you dont need anything but the water shield.
just sit down a bit to regenerate.

i had no charm and didnt use any mana pots until lvl 50+, but then it starts slowing you down significantly.....so dont worry, lvl up water shield for now

Early levels are hard to keep up with mana use. Once you get sutra and double spark eruption its a little easier, both of which will regen 10% of your total mana for the cost of 2 spark. Couple that with a maxed out Wellspring Quaff and you can supplement your pot use reasonably well. Of course levelling Wellspring is a tough choice as there's usually something more attractive when it comes to SP point spending, but it comes down to personal preference.

The thing about MP regen pots is that if you're grinding as fast as you can you'll spend pretty much 95% of the time in combat mode reducing the effectiveness of regen pots to 20%.

For fast levelling charms are the way to go hands down. Buying pots is more expensive than buying charms. It's less micromanagement and you never have to worry about apothecary pot cooldown.

Personally though I despise the way MP charms are implemented regaining mana at 75% is a complete rip-off purely designed to burn charms quicker.

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

On my server crane herbs sell for .8-1k easily, meaning those 10 minutes of mana regen are hardly worth it. They're just a waste of money.


Either use glacial embrace and meditate+afk for saving money or get a charm if you're serious.

Well, that only equates to roughly <3k a powder for 10minutes (since you make 5 for 15 crane herbs). A charm kicks in at 75% and I believe is much more costly. Charms in my server have recently hit 400-450k each. They use to be around 320k and that was acceptable but 400k for 900k mp is not my idea of cheap.

But yes, if you are very serious about grinding, get the charms like suggested, otherwise I would suggest a focus powder. Your natural regen rate+glacial embrace along with a focus powder is a good way to minimise cost.

@Kristoph - remember, he isn't a high level and I doubt he will even want to shell out 400k for a charm. He has equips to buy and not to mention you should be picking up mats/herbs on the way when questing. If he has the patience he could sell the mats and herbs but I still do not think this is worth it. There is nothing wrong with the 10minute focus powders, just because you see them as worthless since you have a heiro, it does not give you the right to say that the 10minutes regen items are "****". Having a charm kick in at 75% max mp is not a very smart way to spend your hard earned money imo, atleast not at his level.

Just my 2 cents.

Edit: rephrased a few things.

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, that only equates to roughly <3k a powder for 10minutes (since you make 5 for 15 crane herbs). A charm kicks in at 75% and I believe is much more costly. Charms in my server have recently hit 400-450k each. They use to be around 320k and that was acceptable but 400k for 900k mp is not my idea of cheap.

But yes, if you are very serious about grinding, get the charms like suggested, otherwise I would suggest a focus powder. Your natural regen rate+glacial embrace along with a focus powder is a good way to minimise cost.

@Kristoph - remember, he isn't a high level and I doubt he will even want to shell out 400k for a charm. He has equips to buy and not to mention you should be picking up mats/herbs on the way when questing. If he has the patience he could sell the mats and herbs but I still do not think this is worth it. There is nothing wrong with the 10minute focus powders, just because you see them as worthless since you have a heiro, it does not give you the right to say that the 10minutes regen items are "****". Having a charm kick in at 75% max mp is not a very smart way to spend your hard earned money imo, atleast not at his level.

Just my 2 cents.

Edit: rephrased a few things.

Later on the problem with mp regen powders and etc. is that their effectiveness is greatly reduced when you're in combat. Sure, it's still very helpful, but overall you might benefit a lot more from just selling the herbs and buying a mana charm.

I only wish mana charms would regen at 25% or something.

I understand your idea that mana consumption rates are unrelated to mana charm tick % Mosabi, but you're forgetting something important, you have to consider mana regen, both your flat rate and what is recovered from Adv Fury. Your mana regen in battle if pure and 7x will be quite substantial (10 from GE, 17 from magic stat, 10 from cleric buff = 37mp/s out of battle and ~ 9 mp/s in battle). Every second you spend at your maximum mana your mp regen is zero (you cant go beyond maximum). By having your charm tick at higher %s you spend a greater amount of time at max mana so you lose out on some mana regen. To prove it to yourself that this is true consider if they raised the tick % to 99% of max mana. In that case a single spell will tick your charm and you will find you spend all of your time at maximum mana and thus your mana regen is always zero. There is one more factor that charm tick rate screws with and that is mana recovery from Adv Fury. For Adv Fury to regen entirely you must be no higher than 85% mana (+10% recovery and you're going to recover another ~3-4% in the time it takes to queue up next monster/get your first cast in). This leaves a very fine line to walk 75%-85% where the mana regen from Adv Fury is fully effective. You might not get 2 sparks until you're at 73% which means your charm will tick. This means one of two things, you will use a partially effective Adv Fury (lost mana regen) or you will have to wait until 85% and lose out on some fury which also implies lost mana regen. You may argue that the effects from mana regen is negligible and indeed perhaps it only accounts for only a single percent. But even at 1%, how many charms have you run through? I've run through quite a few myself and I anticipate if I were to have all that lost mana given to me right now it would be considerable. Myself I'ld prefer if we could set our own charm tick %s, I would put mine down at somewhere around 25% but I would be very happy if it were lowered to a flat 50% as well.

Agree with Elahim.

You all would be surprised how much focus powder makes a difference. It's like a super mana regen buff from a cleric. My whole point about charms vs focus powder was pretty much based on the charm ticking at 75%. If they didn't tick at 75%, I would reconsider them, however focus powder is still more cost-efficient.

Besides, the OP wanted a way to minimise cost... and at his level he cannot afford to pay 400k for a charm. Sure he could farm mats and sell them for 400k, but how long will that take? Is it really worth it?

Focus powder+Natural regen+GE is not to take lightly. For ~2k (smart buying from catshops or farm them yourself) you can grind 10minutes pretty much without pots. Unless you are on an esoterica, I see no reason why you would want a charm tbh.

I find my wizard doing fine with just a focus powder in grinding sessions - nothing else needed. Quaff, GE, Focus Powder and grind away. If you're low on mana, regen for 30seconds or pop a mana pot you pick up. MP charm is just not worth the investment at his level.