We suppose to love or Hate DRAGON?

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · January 2009

well i think the base it would be we like dragons,

but dragon quest its just crazy!

17 step each step u need to gather lots of dq items....

go there go back go north go south YOYO Quest.

and just 1 coins

and for just 1 dragon items u need 100 coins it mean 1700 times go YOYOb:shockedb:infuriated

its absoulte insane quest

so infact this quest just drives Player To hate dragons not to love them

Kaelis - Heavens Tear · January 2009

Its cheaper to sell the dq stuff and buy the orders

Drazo - Heavens Tear · January 2009

You love the dragon.

Dragon is good.

You want the dragon.

You must love the dragon.

Dragons are awesome.

You will not resist.

You will love the dragon.

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · January 2009

Kaelis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its cheaper to sell the dq stuff and buy the orders

well u r right indeed,

i still wonder whats the point of this quest i did dq from 21 to 61 i just super broke super YOYOed

and always here same things from npc's and great rewards, and dq rewards are all nuts 100 coinssssss darn thats not fair at all,
well i trash them all and i never even think about dragons again

befor ei start this i loved dragon so much but even now even name of it make me feel YUCKb:cold

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · January 2009

b:shockedb:shutup

i just get dragon order 71, guess what i calculate simple things for u, thats y i saying dragon quest is only made to made hate dragons!

as u remebered dragon order have 17 steps

DQ71 items npc price ( 2900 )
each step need 20 DQ item
in total for 1 dragon order coin in DQ71 u need

340 DQ items
worth 986,000b:angry

u say its not about only the dragon coins yes u r right u get good chuck of exp but as well calculate this too

if u buy silver dragon coin from cat shop at highest price 250,000 coins

u still have 736,000

if u buy EXP scoll from shops around of 50,000 u can get around of 15EXP scroll,

lol and in that 15hours u get lots of exp bunch of more items more fun not YOYO Q....

so as i said before its just waste of time and coins and patience to do dragon order quest i hope GM see reasoning of this discussion to and do somethings about it.

thanks for read this simple calculation!

Mosz - Heavens Tear · January 2009

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:shockedb:shutup

i just get dragon order 71, guess what i calculate simple things for u, thats y i saying dragon quest is only made to made hate dragons!

as u remebered dragon order have 17 steps

DQ71 items npc price ( 2900 )
each step need 20 DQ item
in total for 1 dragon order coin in DQ71 u need

[color red]340 DQ items
worth 986,000[/color]b:angry

u say its not about only the dragon coins yes u r right u get good chuck of exp but as well calculate this too

if u buy silver dragon coin from cat shop at highest price 250,000 coins

u still have 736,000

if u buy EXP scoll from shops around of 50,000 u can get around of 15EXP scroll,

lol and in that 15hours u get lots of exp bunch of more items more fun not YOYO Q....

so as i said before its just waste of time and coins and patience to do dragon order quest i hope GM see reasoning of this discussion to and do somethings about it.

thanks for read this simple calculation!

it may be 20 steps but each one you don't turn things in, you only turn in things 4 times...

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · January 2009

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

it may be 20 steps but each one you don't turn things in, you only turn in things 4 times...

thanks for enlightning stilli calculate for only 1 step

if its 4 giving items it means
986,000 * 4

3,944,000

u can buy a mount or wing or if u do for 2 coins even might buy the KIRIN mount !!!!

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary · January 2009

its worth it!! ^__^ silvermane.. ooooOOOooo

Klath - Sanctuary · January 2009

thanks for read this simple calculation!

Thanks for the magnificent mathematics class.

20 DQ71 items = 58.000
80 DQ71 items = 232.000

My regards

VonTerror - Lost City · January 2009

Are we talking about the same dragon quest? The only times i've done it, which is many, its been 10 steps, one of which is kill mobs or pay, one is the miniboss, and then only 4 or 5 times to you give in dq items. You decent get exp out of it so if you already have the items from grinding/quests etc, it's a good way for quick exp. I don't do them now because i prefer the money, which is about 240k-290k at 71, not 900, but if you get a silver or gold order you can sell it to make up for a lot of that.

Gonzu - Heavens Tear · January 2009

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary wrote: »

thanks for enlightning stilli calculate for only 1 step

if its 4 giving items it means
986,000 * 4

3,944,000

u can buy a mount or wing or if u do for 2 coins even might buy the KIRIN mount !!!!

No.

Each Dragon Quest has 10 steps and it's only 4 of those steps that require the Dragon Quest items.

It is surely worth it because it gives a nice amount of XP and SP and if you are so lucky to get a Silver Dragon Order then you can sell it for about 200.000 coins.

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · January 2009

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary wrote: »

its worth it!! ^__^ silvermane.. ooooOOOooo

even if as u said its only cost 290k per 1 order

for white mane 50 silver and 50 copper

50 * 290,000 = 14,500,000 only for silverb:shutup

CeliaZ - Sanctuary · January 2009

So why are the dragon quests in the game? If no one does them, arent they a bit useless?

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear · January 2009

everyone does DQ ~_~, and you can buy unique molds and mounts with DQ orders

MntMan - Lost City · January 2009

The problem with the DQ is that in order to get the number of orbs you need for anything worthwhile you need to do each one multiple times. In other words if you're level 5x you have on your quest log the ones for DQ21, DQ31, DQ41 and DQ 51. Without doing all these simultaneously you couldn't possibly hope to get enough orbs. Now the problem here is that as a level 5x you're drop rate for DQ21 and DQ 31 items is very low and you'll spend a ton of time grinding for those items on mobs that don't give you enough exp.

What I've done is make my main my DQ character. Then I have 3 others in various stages of leveling to provide the older DQ items. The problem is that as they get items, do quests and grind they level so then their drop rate goes down. Even after doing all this I have about 20 copper orders only. Sux!

They need to redesign how this works. Maybe if you have a DQ quest for a certain level there will still be a chance to get a DQ drop from a higher level. So if I have the DQ 21 quest and I kill a Beserker Smunchkin (level 5x mob) there's still a chance I'll get a mystic claw drop from them or something. I don't know. Just a thought.

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · January 2009

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

everyone does DQ ~_~, and you can buy unique molds and mounts with DQ orders

true but at what cost!! u can buy mold real cheap compare to dq order,
u can do cube if u r veno/Bm Class thats well nightmare cube still cheaper than dragon quest.

i think its much better to remove that quest or think about some fixation,

Hildeborg - Heavens Tear · January 2009

I like Dragon Quests ^^

- I farm items : +XP +Spirit +Coins
- I sell items during the night to Dragon Questers : +++Coins
- I buy items far less than they cost : --Coins +Dragon Items

Total :
You : Dragon Quest
Me : +XP +Spirit +Coins +Items

I like Me.

Never underestimate the power of impatience.
It's a great source of income.

-^_^-

BearHunter - Sanctuary · January 2009

Ever wondered where the white horse mounts come from?
And why they are so rare?
And why you do not have one?

Toxickiss - Heavens Tear · January 2009

I don't understand why people say DQ are so expensive to do!! I've done everyone from 21 to 61 so far and haven't spent a dime, but have gotten GREAT exp and made money from it.
There is absolutely no reason to buy anything, You simply grind for the items. You look up the items to see what drops it the most, go kill a bunch of them (you get exp for this) and then go turn inthe guests for more exp. Also if you fly every where like I do, you don't even have to pay for teleporting. Then you can sell your coppers and silvers or safe them to sell the horse for A LOT! The way I see it, It's great as long as you are not too lazy to farm.

Toxickiss - Heavens Tear · January 2009

Oh and I forgot to mention that I've made 3-4 mil in selling the coppers and silvers, so they can be very profitable

Mosz - Heavens Tear · January 2009

or you could calculate that each order is a coin loss and you can grind faster then flying around and talking to the quest npcs, but whatever works for you , i already got my DQ mold i needed by grinding/NPCing dq items and buying orders from others

scionofchaos · January 2009

Interesting thing about all these threads telling people not to do the Dragon Quest and just buy the orders is if people listened no one would have the orders and no one could buy them.

On second thought, hate the dragon. Just get money from the drops and buy the orders from people like me. *watchs supply drop and prices skyrocket*

XPapewaiox - Lost City · January 2009

Wow, so much bad math in this thread.

Example from lost city, DQ41~

10 items to turn in, 5 times. Each item is worth 1700.

40*1700=68,000

Now, ignoring the experience you get (a lot) and the spirit, the benefit is

80% copper order, 20% silver order.

At current LC prices, that is .8*25,000 + .2*180,000 = 56,000

So you pay 12k for 36,000 exp and 7,500 spirit... or 3 exp/gp

OH NO I'M LOSING MONEY!!! (Although these prices conservative...)

People buy scarlet fruit for ~120,000. That is 8,888 exp, or .07 exp/gp.

Compared to scarlet fruit, DQ is 42.8 times better for exp.

Jeagerjaques - Lost City · January 2009

XPapewaiox - Lost City wrote: »

Wow, so much bad math in this thread.

Example from lost city, DQ41~

10 items to turn in, 5 times. Each item is worth 1700.

40*1700=68,000

Now, ignoring the experience you get (a lot) and the spirit, the benefit is

80% copper order, 20% silver order.

At current LC prices, that is .8*25,000 + .2*180,000 = 56,000

So you pay 12k for 36,000 exp and 7,500 spirit... or 3 exp/gp

OH NO I'M LOSING MONEY!!! (Although these prices conservative...)

People buy scarlet fruit for ~120,000. That is 8,888 exp, or .07 exp/gp.

Compared to scarlet fruit, DQ is 42.8 times better for exp.

WOW, hypocrite much?

At 10 items to turn in 5 times.
50*1700 = 85000

You did the percentage of silver/copper orders correctly. And you also forget the fact that silver orders dont usually go for 180k. I forgot the current going price, but it is under 180k, I think (can someone clarify this?). Another thing you did wrong is calculated the amount of exp + spirit in the scarlet fruit vs. DQ.

36000/8888 = 4.28 times better for exp

The reason why most people buy these is because they do not want to spend their time doing DQs.

Another thing you seem to forget is the teleport costs (if you do not teleport and opt to fly, you lose that amount of time in grinding, therefore you lose, say an hour of grinding?). At my level, an hour of grinding = 150-200k and I'm a barb, think about venos and their income. And, in an hour, I can gain MORE exp than 36,000 AND more spirit than 7,500. In my opinion, the DQs are a waste of both time and money. The time should be spent grinding, which will output more exp/spirit and income (which could be used towards orders).

Klath - Sanctuary · January 2009

You did the percentage of silver/copper orders correctly. And you also forget the fact that silver orders dont usually go for 180k. I forgot the current going price, but it is under 180k, I think (can someone clarify this?). Another thing you did wrong is calculated the amount of exp + spirit in the scarlet fruit vs. DQ.

180-250k on sanctuary, normal price being 200k.

XPapewaiox - Lost City · January 2009

OH GOD YOU CAUGHT MY TYPO!!! 4.28 != 42.8 you are right!!!

Man you're good. Also, unless something has changed since the past 40ish DQ's, (and pwdatabase lies) it's 40 every one. (For DQ41, lest you declare it to be more for higher level DQ's to try to prove me wrong)

I did the 180k for silver orders to be conservative. I don't count flying because there's no way to calculate the time, hence it's a non-factor in the equation. IT was a cost-benefit analysis of DQ'ing vs. selling those items, not on time investment. I don't even think I mentioned time in my post.

It was never a conversation about DQ being BETTER than grinding, my post was to explain the cost/benefit of doing the DQ's. Before you nit-pick, try to understand the gist of the post.

Coviana - Sanctuary · January 2009

DQs are good for those of us who don't have the patience to mindlessly grind, and would prefer to have a sense of direction on where to go and what to do next. The biggest frustration is being unable to get the lower level DQ items to drop anymore as my level increases and reduces drop rates by like 80%, but that's what alts are for.

BlessOfMurga - Sanctuary · February 2009

Well i hope as your mats better than mine

u should know after 30 higher lvl if u wana do old dq like 41 drop will be SUX u only get coins for hours,

and in dq 71 none of dq items bellow of 2400 and price of dq coins on sanc is pretty high coz ppl start to think dq is many way wrong to do ppl if they want to waste time and get molds or other stuff they do nightmare cube

much easer to get chips for molds and gain exp there than DQ

also not waste tonz of coins to get 50 silver 50 copper more than 20 mil for mount

u can buy 20
panther with that much coins !
well what can i say we can make argue about it but only Gm can fix dq stuff little more reasonable

XPapewaiox - Lost City wrote: »

Wow, so much bad math in this thread.

Example from lost city, DQ41~

10 items to turn in, 5 times. Each item is worth 1700.

40*1700=68,000

We suppose to love or Hate DRAGON?

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