For the love of rare pets.

The reason you cant tame the bear Mikeya, is because you are a barbarian. Would've thought you had figured that out by level 70.....

I still maintain that if you were going to add anything to the CS, to add the ALL-CLASS pets. They're equivalent to fashion. Simply remove the option of making them in-game. Part of the reason for the high cost of veno rare eggs is that non-venos are buying them to make all-classes.

Despite that, however, I don't think they should be in the CS at all. For that matter I don't think the herc and phoenix should be in the CS <_< I think the feathers/source should be a drop as well. Lower the feather/source requirement and make them a drop. The pets are far to strong for me to be able to get this easily.

It comes down to this: you're a veno and you don't like killers? Roll an alt and go kill some.

You're a non-veno and you want a rare egg? Roll a veno and go tame one.

You're either and you're annoyed about high level sellers who "always get the tame" or people who kill the spawn? (Not true by the way. The very first day I was at the bear (lvl 30 pet!), a blue name tamed it. I know because she was on my friends list, we flew to the nearest city, and she hatched it for me to see.) Level up, and if a white name kills the spawn, PK the **** out of them. If they're blue name, put them on your kill list and the next time you see them white-named, PK their living daylights out. Then explain why. Then PK them again. b:victory

I did the camping thing; I got annoyed with it because I'm far too impatient to wait until I could get the tame (it's also why I can't play for more than a few hours at a time :P), so I bought them. Money is incredibly easy to get in this game, and as you level it only gets easier. As opposed to complaining, either camp the spawn long enough to get one, or save the cash and buy one. Or roll an alt and take your frustrations by killing the spawn.

Rare pets are getting rediculous. I was on my veno trying to make an all class Snow Hare for my archer and people were camping it. It just shocked me because just a few weeks ago I would go to Timberfeild and just see the bunnies hopping around with no one around them. A few nights ago, there were 7 venos camping one area for the Snow Hare. Thats just redic...maybe it was the time of day I went there..but still. The only problem is that I heard GZ is taking over the 12hr spawns.

I must say that Im proud of my bunny....<3 never going to give it up. Spent a whole day trying to get that pet...-_- b:dirty

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The reason you cant tame the bear Mikeya, is because you are a barbarian. Would've thought you had figured that out by level 70.....

This just made me laugh. b:laugh

1) Even if they put rares in the cash shop it probably wont do too much damage to farmers. It simply stabilizes the price. The Tabby and Pup go for about 650k easily so a 7 gold value (for example) will actually not do too much damage. Shadou, Kowlin and Piggy go between 1mil -1.5mil so that will drop their value a bit. Even with a cash shop presence the pets will still be farmed (I know I would still do it), the prices will drop a bit probably but even still... people will be looking for deals with the rares and the best way to get those deals will be from farmers therefore still making it profitable to farm

Which kind of sounds like a pretty good fix to the problem. For those wanting one and don't have the time or "luck" to get one. Catching one as you said isn't just pure luck. There are alot of factors that play into it.

Yup, I wasn't arguing for any particular side, just pointing out some stuff. If they do decide to do it both sides still get a decent deal.

2) If the pets did show up in the cash shop I doubt it would be for 7 gold, I'd bet that they would be priced to average market prices of what the rares go for now.

What they go for now was a players set price. 700k sounds reasonable. Just my opinion there, which setting prices for them is just that, someones opinion on what they think it's worth.

Well the thing is I hope they set it with different values... cuz you can buy a froggy for 300k and a tabby and a puppy for 650k so you would actually be increasing profits for farmers if they put them at 7 gold each. And tamers don't really set the price... supply and demand. I've tested this out. I've tried selling some overpriced piggies and they never go, but when I set them at their usual price (between 950k - 1.1mill) they go pretty fast cuz the BUYER thinks it's a good price to buy at. Kind of the point of a free market economy no?

3) You don't have to be high lvl to nab a pet. Yes it makes life easier but you will notice that the price of having reduced channeling is that you pay the risk of channeling too fast. My veno is lvl 40ish right now and I've got just under 10 rares on her (mix of piggy, frog, kitty and shadou) since she's been lvl 30 (not counting the tons of snow hares from back in the lvl 20 days). I'm not in a hurry to tame pets so if some one out channels me it's not a big deal, I'll just come back the next time. It's not all about luck and channeling, you need to have some skill and knowledge of the pet spawn paths and patterns too.


And you caught at lvl 40ish all those rare pets? You didn't buy them or have them given to you? You can't even tame the Kowlin at lvl 40ish. Channeling to fast and being high lvl = nab pet fast and successfully on the first try. A lvl 80 veno isn't gonna have that hard of a time nabbing a lvl 20 pet, even if it isn't damaged.

lol you don't believe me? XD Well I don't blame you... but yes I've caught all those pets by myself. Most of them were sold off. I gave one piggy and one froggy to my little sis and kept my only tabby that I caught for myself. I've been taming for about 4 months now so 10ish pets is actually a pretty bad rate for a farmer. I've never spent a single penny on a rare, my motto is if I wait long enough I can catch one. I've also learned how to calculate the spawn times on weird server crashes and such (not something too hard, you just gotta read up some guides on it XD) so I've been lucky in being the only veno at some spawns (for example after the weird server crash we had a while back when everything was reset... that was when I caught my tabby). As for the high lvls always getting them, like I said... high channeling is a blessing and a burden. If you actually go to any of these tames a lot of the high lvls have trouble timing their pet attacks and tames. I've seen a lvl 80 veno fail a tame on a half dead frog (lol luckily I was the first to load right after her so I got it XD). Just because you're high lvl doesn't mean you'll always get it. And that's the thing I keep trying to tell people. It's not ALWAYS about higher lvls, I'm serious, when I used to tame the shadou there would always be atleast 2-3 fails before some one with slightly slower channeling got it. I mean yes you have better taming rate at lvl 80 (for example) but you don't always know if those lvl 80 venos have actually gotten their tame skill lvled up. A lot of venos don't bother lvling up their tame past lvl 1 or 2. Some do, some don't. My sis is lvl 60+ and she's failed the kowlin tames more than she likes to count, another veno that is lvl 70+ has failed even more because her channeling is like -80% so it's hard to time it right. You also gotta factor in server lag and your own reflexes... practice makes perfect

4) If you're lvl 20 and can't even figure out how to decrease your channeling by 15% with very little money you shouldn't even be taming the rares. Invest a little time to do some research instead of crying about how you channel to slow.

I am lvl 64 and only way I've figured out how to decrease my channeling is by buying 900k peices of amour with -% channeling on them. If you know another way for a lvl 20 to do that w/ 15% how about you enlighten us. That would be awesome.

lol really? Ok well I wasn't trying to be mean so if you took this as an insult my appologies. I probably wouldn't "enlighten" anyone about it because I came up with this method on my own in a time of desperation after being frustrated with all the venos with channeling gear. But Solandri has been kind enough in enlightening you so take the advice.

5) Most of the time newbies can't even tell the difference between a killed pet and a tamed pet. These people drive me nuts, it's not hard to tell the difference... no pile of coins = pet tamed. I've been to TONS of spawns where one of the higher lvl venos nabbed the pet in about a second of it's spawn and then all the annoying noobs start complaining how it died when there were clearly no coins and the pet faded instead of fell over.

I think "anyone" not just a damn newb can tell when something is dead vs a tamed pet. This is an attempt to make people feel stupid and it's not working.

Well yes in a way... I'll see how you feel when you get harassed about supposedly killing a pet when you simply tamed it when the rest didn't even have a chance to blink. I have no pity for those types of people and they get annoying after 4 months of hanging out with 'em. I'm glad you can tell the diff but a lot of other newer players can't and they go around falsely accusing and harassing others. The shadou cub has a high popularity of these people.

6) Yes people that kill them on purpose are annoying but really the fact that everyone vents about it gives them more fun. I personally could careless if someone kills it. All the better for the venos that have stashed pets. I show up and spend about 20mins of my time to try my luck at what could really be considered a lottery, if I win great, if not... meh I'll try again later.

No, the argument here is that people kill them on purpose to drive up the prices, not to annoy other players. It's a f'ing business now not fun loving venos out to play and to annoy. Again you said luck here, when before you said it wasn't luck. So, make up your mind, because you are really confusing me here.

Yes I know what the argument is. I'm trying to point out that by killing them they don't do much to the market. And yes for me it's a lottery, not in that you need only luck but in that I'm not always guaranteed a result. Maybe calling it a lottery was a bad choice of example. And yes it is a business... just like manufacturing weapons, farming TT mats, and doing FBs. If I gave you (assuming you are one such fun loving veno) the power to catch rare pets (and I mean succeed most of the time) that could easily make you millions a week what would you do? I've seen lots of people throw down this argument but you'll notice that the same fun loving venos that now happened to be good at catching rares have turned into farmers. The wonders of a capitalistic society eh? It's a good way of making money, lets you buy stuff that you otherwise would have had to work months to get.

As one veno said before in one of these rare pets threads:
Learn to play the game instead of trying to change the rules

I say **** that veno, she is the one making out with all the coinage. It isn't just newbs on here. 500 pages on this subject cannot just be newbs crying to their mamma. Learn to figure out the problem and look at both sides before making judgement.

lol well yes... any veno that ISN"T crying to her mamma is making away with coinage. Those that are crying, are the ones posting 500 pages on this subject. If all of the people who complain about this were able to catch pets would you think they would still complain? Of course not. That's what makes this such a hot topic.

I kind of get tired of these posts. Making everyone feel like they are inadequate. Sorry, not meaning to offend you personally. Just my take.

lol I take no offense what so ever. I've been around this pet craziness long enough to not care XD. Like I said, if you put some time and effort into learning how to play you (not you personally I mean people reading) can tame pets too... ya you won't be super successful like those higher lvls but a few rares every now and then aren't too shabby either. And when you do get enough time to lvl up... grats and welcome to the farming club.

Ooo one more thing to add... you also forget that some venos are there farming not for profit but for guildies. I'm friends with a few of those guys and I've farmed pets for my guildies too. Catching 5 puppies to make an all class is quite a chore but if that's what it takes to make a friend happy then we gladly do it. So not everyone farms for profit, a lot of venos have large orders in for their factions.

personally,

Rare pets should not be added to the Boutique. why? ... where's the challenge?

I agree with the random spawning. However, that may also raise the prices on rare pets. I mean think about it, only venos who have time will go camp it and still become filthy rich.

I think rare pets shouldn't be killable. Some people kill them for fun or spite. No profit, no benifit, zip expect maybe enjoyment that the Veno cant tame it that time. But it short, makes that rare pet more expensive because now that one is dead and unable to be sold or traded.

I'm half/half on the soulbind thing. Pro: one rare pet per veno. Con: if you can still make a baby pet out of it and it becomes tradable.... prices sky rocket through the roof. hence... defeats the purpose of stopping certain venos from being flithy rich.

however all in all, rare pets is just another challenge to face and a competition between venos. I only disapprove with the actual "killing" or rares because people are cry babies that they cant get their pet. It's called luck and skill people. and lvl 80 venos do have the upper hand, but hey- dont we all have the upper hand when we kill or tame something 1/4 our level? so if anything needs to be changed about rare pets... its that they should be unkillable. would stop some of the griefing, just not all of it..... b:bye

Yup, I wasn't arguing for any particular side, just pointing out some stuff. If they do decide to do it both sides still get a decent deal.



Well the thing is I hope they set it with different values... cuz you can buy a froggy for 300k and a tabby and a puppy for 650k so you would actually be increasing profits for farmers if they put them at 7 gold each. And tamers don't really set the price... supply and demand. I've tested this out. I've tried selling some overpriced piggies and they never go, but when I set them at their usual price (between 950k - 1.1mill) they go pretty fast cuz the BUYER thinks it's a good price to buy at. Kind of the point of a free market economy no?




lol you don't believe me? XD Well I don't blame you... but yes I've caught all those pets by myself. Most of them were sold off. I gave one piggy and one froggy to my little sis and kept my only tabby that I caught for myself. I've been taming for about 4 months now so 10ish pets is actually a pretty bad rate for a farmer. I've never spent a single penny on a rare, my motto is if I wait long enough I can catch one. I've also learned how to calculate the spawn times on weird server crashes and such (not something too hard, you just gotta read up some guides on it XD) so I've been lucky in being the only veno at some spawns (for example after the weird server crash we had a while back when everything was reset... that was when I caught my tabby). As for the high lvls always getting them, like I said... high channeling is a blessing and a burden. If you actually go to any of these tames a lot of the high lvls have trouble timing their pet attacks and tames. I've seen a lvl 80 veno fail a tame on a half dead frog (lol luckily I was the first to load right after her so I got it XD). Just because you're high lvl doesn't mean you'll always get it. And that's the thing I keep trying to tell people. It's not ALWAYS about higher lvls, I'm serious, when I used to tame the shadou there would always be atleast 2-3 fails before some one with slightly slower channeling got it. I mean yes you have better taming rate at lvl 80 (for example) but you don't always know if those lvl 80 venos have actually gotten their tame skill lvled up. A lot of venos don't bother lvling up their tame past lvl 1 or 2. Some do, some don't. My sis is lvl 60+ and she's failed the kowlin tames more than she likes to count, another veno that is lvl 70+ has failed even more because her channeling is like -80% so it's hard to time it right. You also gotta factor in server lag and your own reflexes... practice makes perfect

No, I do realize that it's not all about if you are high lvl. It's also about equipment and that lovely tame/target bot that people use. Makes things so much easier.

lol really? Ok well I wasn't trying to be mean so if you took this as an insult my appologies. I probably wouldn't "enlighten" anyone about it because I came up with this method on my own in a time of desperation after being frustrated with all the venos with channeling gear. But Solandri has been kind enough in enlightening you so take the advice.

Yeah, I already knew about all that. It's just that those that don't know. I think it would be kind of nice if people would just say hey, let me tell you what you CAN do.

Well yes in a way... I'll see how you feel when you get harassed about supposedly killing a pet when you simply tamed it when the rest didn't even have a chance to blink. I have no pity for those types of people and they get annoying after 4 months of hanging out with 'em. I'm glad you can tell the diff but a lot of other newer players can't and they go around falsely accusing and harassing others. The shadou cub has a high popularity of these people.

Nah, my friend actually has done the killing on accident thing. It was /rant central.

Yes I know what the argument is. I'm trying to point out that by killing them they don't do much to the market. And yes for me it's a lottery, not in that you need only luck but in that I'm not always guaranteed a result. Maybe calling it a lottery was a bad choice of example. And yes it is a business... just like manufacturing weapons, farming TT mats, and doing FBs. If I gave you (assuming you are one such fun loving veno) the power to catch rare pets (and I mean succeed most of the time) that could easily make you millions a week what would you do? I've seen lots of people throw down this argument but you'll notice that the same fun loving venos that now happened to be good at catching rares have turned into farmers. The wonders of a capitalistic society eh? It's a good way of making money, lets you buy stuff that you otherwise would have had to work months to get.

Nope, I wouldn't I am all about giving. I constantly give and sell **** cheap. Yeah, I do understand completely it's a way of making tons of money. Especially in a game where it is extremely hard to get your first million. The problem is though, that there is alot of people that just want the pet to play with. They don't have millions to burn on one and do not have a chance till they wait, get better, get better stuffs and by that time they are so high lvl, to train such a low lvl 20 pet is blargh.

lol well yes... any veno that ISN"T crying to her mamma is making away with coinage. Those that are crying, are the ones posting 500 pages on this subject. If all of the people who complain about this were able to catch pets would you think they would still complain? Of course not. That's what makes this such a hot topic.

No, but it's seriously a problem. You aren't being completely honest if you say there isn't one atm. There was a time when this server was new and I would go and there would only be very few and it was fun. Now, it's just greedfest and I do understand those trying to get one early on so they can actually train it while they are lvling. I mean the chances are slim... that they will do like you do and someone messes up and they nab it.

lol I take no offense what so ever. I've been around this pet craziness long enough to not care XD. Like I said, if you put some time and effort into learning how to play you (not you personally I mean people reading) can tame pets too... ya you won't be super successful like those higher lvls but a few rares every now and then aren't too shabby either. And when you do get enough time to lvl up... grats and welcome to the farming club.

Ooo one more thing to add... you also forget that some venos are there farming not for profit but for guildies. I'm friends with a few of those guys and I've farmed pets for my guildies too. Catching 5 puppies to make an all class is quite a chore but if that's what it takes to make a friend happy then we gladly do it. So not everyone farms for profit, a lot of venos have large orders in for their factions.

Well, I do appreciate that you didn't get all irrate on me. It's nice to see you can take what I said light hearted.

I do know there are lots helping and those asking in factions to get class pets for them. That is the problem and why in the end they will put these in the cash shop. Having to get so many of the rares for the class pets, makes high demand. As you said, everyone is out to make a profit and so is the devs. They be selling them like hot cakes. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it would end the rants.

The thing is.. I just know how hard it is in reality to get those pets for most venos. Everyone knows who is gonna be there and how it's gonna go down. Yeah, not the best way to look at it, but It's easy for me to relate. Also, I wouldn't dare spend a dime on one. I am like you I would hold out forever and if I never got one. I still wouldn't buy.

anaeli wrote: »

I think we've all forgotten that this is a game.

Firstly, no moral ambiguities can even exist in this pixelated fantasy world. Even if you choose to abide by some sort of moral code, and in doing so you manage to work yourself up to the point this thread has reached, well. You have a higher tolerance for stress than I do. Honestly. Do. No. Worry. About. It.

Why shouldn't you worry? First of all it raises your blood pressure and that's not good for anyone. :P Second, it's insanely easy to make money in this game. I had 1.5m at level 30, when I proceeded to buy Israfel with $$ and then used the coinage to upgrade it with widgets. Then, over the next 9 levels, I have spent 1m on pets, 1.4m on weapons, 500k on fashion, 1.5m on dyes for said fashion, and am now buying dragon orders for a mount (Lost City server, shop in Arch. near W. Tele :P). I've got 1m sitting in the bank and 500k in my inventory, excess. If you can't for the life of you figure out how I made this kind of cash, PM me. I'd be happy to share it with you.

And don't tell me that when you hit high levels, when a level comes a month or two at a time and getting cash is like finding sand on a beach, that you won't take a few seconds and go tame some rares for guildes/friends/to pad your bank accounts. Until then, use the gold in-game and get that pet. Who cares who you're paying? Or don't. *shrugs* These coins are pixels just like the bear or the kitty, and I'm not really sure why people get stressed over them, or the giving of them to other people for stuff you want.

But if you're not going to do what is necessary to get your cub or piggy or frog or puppy or kitty or whatever you want, which is (A) wait at the spawn spot and try to tame it until you do or (B) buy it, then don't complain.

Yeah, but do you agree or not to have in cash shop? lol

I think rare pets should spam rarely and random in several territories (they should not spam on the same place).

I would add an extra twist.....They can only be tamed and killed by people owning that territory. That would be great.

That would add more value of why to own and defend certain territories more than others since they are source of greater income.

omg all these poeple QQ about pet spawns, im gonna go ahead and camp the next rare pet spawn and kill it just to **** more people off

First of all, you can buy 20gold for about $20 on PWI.

You can sell your gold for about 100k each.

You can then easily buy a Tabby for whatever the going rate is (600-800k).

This is equivalent to about $6-8.

Is all your frustration camping the spawn point for hours, getting ganked, and crying about it later worth $10?

Is it worth it for you to save $10? For the farmers, yes, it is worth $10 to them. Either they are that petty or they are that good at what they do. If you want to be as good as them, you had best start practicing.

Why not just limit the number of rare pet tames per character? Would this not prevent all of those taking advantage? Limit to something reasonable, maybe 20 or so but, after that, no more rare pet tames for that character. This way, if they were trying to get eggs for friends they could and still get one for themselves. No more taking advantage, everyone else gets a chance, no more problems.