a good magic tank

Xyran - Sanctuary
Xyran - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Venomancer
can anyone suggest a good magic tank for me plz

i was told with the following and having trouble deciding between them:
1)snow hare
2)antelope pup
3)carapest terror

also, what are the useful skills for a magic tank?

thanx
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  • senovit
    senovit Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Frog. All ze way. Antelope has slightly better m.def but it's hp is way too low to be as good as a frog for tanking. Bunny just sucks. I dunno about the carapest terror.

    You'll want bash and crust for basics. For the rest, maybe frighten/screamshock/another damaging attack to hold aggro?
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  • fuzzles
    fuzzles Posts: 628 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Froggy or Dodo Bear (whatever it's called here.. that thing people are getting all upset about people killing).

    The flipside is that both are rare pets. But if you're not planning on spending a fortune on herc or nix, then froggy is one hell of a good investment.

    Antilopes, carapests and bunnies are all fairly useless as pets. I'd personally use a golem over any of those, even against magic damage.
    Everyone here is ridiculously oversensitive.
  • Xyran - Sanctuary
    Xyran - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    thanx everyone

    but does anyone know where i can get a frog? since i don't want to spend a fortune on it, can anyone tell me the spawn point of the frog and the respawn interval plz

    also, can anyone give me some information on the respawn time and place for the bear as well plz

    thanx
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Honestly, I think the frog is the most underrated of the rare pets. It only sells for about 250-500k on HT (which has a rep for being high priced), which IMHO is a bargain. It sounds like a lot of money in your early levels, but by your 30s you should be able to grind that much in one or two nights.

    That said, the carapest terror is almost as good. Here are their stats at level 60. Frog / Carapest:

    1832 / 1652 hp (frog is 10.9% higher)
    1054 / 1026 attack (dead heat, frog is 2.7% higher)
    4697 / 4617 p.def (dead heat, frog is 1.7% higher)
    5480 / 5772 m.def (carapest is 5.3% higher)
    1221 / 1001 accuracy (frog is 22% higher)
    814 / 1001 evasion (carapest is 23% higher)
    0.8 / 0.8 attack speed (same)
    7.4 / 7.1 move speed (frog is 4.2% faster)

    In my experience, although the frog's p.def is slightly higher, the carapest's much higher evasion means it takes less physical damage. That makes the carapest a better magical and physical tank than the frog. Its drawbacks are lower hp and lower accuracy, and you'll need to buy it an aggro skill. And it's so ugly it's embarrassing to use.
  • bobbeh
    bobbeh Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Post on the carapest terror.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=122111

    It's as good as the frog.
  • Just_cool - Lost City
    Just_cool - Lost City Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That said, the carapest terror is almost as good. Here are their stats at level 60. Frog / Carapest:

    1832 / 1652 hp (frog is 10.9% higher) beats this:5480 / 5772 m.def (carapest is 5.3% higher)
    so i think frog is slightly better
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Just_cool - Lost City wrote: »
    1832 / 1652 hp (frog is 10.9% higher) beats this:5480 / 5772 m.def (carapest is 5.3% higher)
    so i think frog is slightly better

    I agree the frog is a better all-around pet. This topic however is about the best magic tank. And if your pet is taking magic damage and you're spam healing, the higher m.def helps more than the extra hp. Since m.def reduces the DPS (damage per second) your pet is taking, you don't have to heal it as often. If your pet is just barely dying even though you're spam healing, a higher m.def can make it so your spam healing keeps it alive.

    Extra hp OTOH means your pet survives longer the first time it takes cumulative damage equal to its max hp, but doesn't help after that. It doesn't reduce the DPS, so you have to heal it just as often. if your pet is just barely dying even though you're spam healing, giving it extra hp doesn't help. Not unless you're able to kill the mob without healing the pet, in which case pretty much any pet with healing could probably tank it too.
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I agree the frog is a better all-around pet. This topic however is about the best magic tank. And if your pet is taking magic damage and you're spam healing, the higher m.def helps more than the extra hp. Since m.def reduces the DPS (damage per second) your pet is taking, you don't have to heal it as often. If your pet is just barely dying even though you're spam healing, a higher m.def can make it so your spam healing keeps it alive.

    Extra hp OTOH means your pet survives longer the first time it takes cumulative damage equal to its max hp, but doesn't help after that. It doesn't reduce the DPS, so you have to heal it just as often. if your pet is just barely dying even though you're spam healing, giving it extra hp doesn't help. Not unless you're able to kill the mob without healing the pet, in which case pretty much any pet with healing could probably tank it too.

    As someone who has raised both, I have to disagree. Thanks to the recent snowmen from the chrstmas event, I have had the opportunity to experiment with lots of pets up to the level 60 point. Once reaching this level, I typically use Krixxix and Dismal Shade as tests, I find that the combination of high magic and high physical damage makes the best test for a tanking pet. I saw a previous argument somewhere about the carapest terror, and so I raised one (already had the frog at level 60). I found that the frog was able to best the carapest at both krixxix AND shade, do to its hp and added high physical defense. I also noticed that from krixxix's ice attack, the frog always took between 240 and 300 damage as rough average, the carapest took about 226 to 267 on average. Yes, the carapest took less magic damage, but how often (aside from poison and fire DoT mobs) do you ever fight a monster that uses ONLY magic? especially bosses. Using the frog I found that I was able to cast spells in between 1 to 2 heals, the carapest died several times and the times I did win with it it was a very close call. When considering a player like a wizard, who will keep their distance and be struck only by the magic, I could see this argument as valid, but as all pets run up to the targets and cause them to physically attack, using their magic only once in awhile, the frog is far superior to the carapest.

    EDIT: I'll also add that for this same reason, the shaodu cub bests the frog the same way the frog bests the carapest.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Like I said, "if your pet is taking magic damage". I completely agree on the combo magic/physical mobs, and the frog being a better all-around pet.

    However, given the question asked at the beginning of this topic, I was thinking more about the mobs that cast magic, and if your pet gets within melee range, they run away to cast more magic. The carapest even comes with a slow which helps against mobs which try to run away.
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Like I said, "if your pet is taking magic damage". I completely agree on the combo magic/physical mobs, and the frog being a better all-around pet.

    However, given the question asked at the beginning of this topic, I was thinking more about the mobs that cast magic, and if your pet gets within melee range, they run away to cast more magic. The carapest even comes with a slow which helps against mobs which try to run away.

    I agree it will take less damage, and in my post I said "aside from poison and fire DoT mobs" which are basically the only ones that do what you're referring to. These DoT spells, even when fully stacked, can't even bother my golem, which has rather abysmal magic defense, due to its high hp recovery rate.
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  • bobbeh
    bobbeh Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    As someone who has raised both, I have to disagree. Thanks to the recent snowmen from the chrstmas event, I have had the opportunity to experiment with lots of pets up to the level 60 point. Once reaching this level, I typically use Krixxix and Dismal Shade as tests, I find that the combination of high magic and high physical damage makes the best test for a tanking pet. I saw a previous argument somewhere about the carapest terror, and so I raised one (already had the frog at level 60). I found that the frog was able to best the carapest at both krixxix AND shade, do to its hp and added high physical defense. I also noticed that from krixxix's ice attack, the frog always took between 240 and 300 damage as rough average, the carapest took about 226 to 267 on average. Yes, the carapest took less magic damage, but how often (aside from poison and fire DoT mobs) do you ever fight a monster that uses ONLY magic? especially bosses. Using the frog I found that I was able to cast spells in between 1 to 2 heals, the carapest died several times and the times I did win with it it was a very close call. When considering a player like a wizard, who will keep their distance and be struck only by the magic, I could see this argument as valid, but as all pets run up to the targets and cause them to physically attack, using their magic only once in awhile, the frog is far superior to the carapest.

    EDIT: I'll also add that for this same reason, the shaodu cub bests the frog the same way the frog bests the carapest.

    Unless you've added moves such as Bash to your frog, I'm surprised that you can throw in moves at level 60+ and not taking aggro away. The default aggro move (Toxic mist) has a long delay on the frog meaning that unless you put in some additional moves, IT WILL NOT HOLD AGGRO. In fact, under standard move-set, the carapest terror will be better.

    I have a self-caught frog that I trained up to level 50 before switching to carapest terror. My carapest terror is level 63 now and I have no intention to train it further (because my final goal is hercules and also because it's painful to level during grinding) and I don't experience any of the problem you mentioned when tanking magical bosses.
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    beetle.

    the ninja pet no one expects to win (but always does)

    On the same note, the starter scorp keeps up the same MR, so it would be also a good mag tank, but not an overall tank.
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  • Shikome - Heavens Tear
    Shikome - Heavens Tear Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    bobbeh wrote: »
    Unless you've added moves such as Bash to your frog, I'm surprised that you can throw in moves at level 60+ and not taking aggro away. The default aggro move (Toxic mist) has a long delay on the frog meaning that unless you put in some additional moves, IT WILL NOT HOLD AGGRO. In fact, under standard move-set, the carapest terror will be better.

    I have a self-caught frog that I trained up to level 50 before switching to carapest terror. My carapest terror is level 63 now and I have no intention to train it further (because my final goal is hercules and also because it's painful to level during grinding) and I don't experience any of the problem you mentioned when tanking magical bosses.

    What makes your Carapest a pain to level during grinding? I'm just curious as if a Carapest Terror is too annoying to level 60+ I might go with a different magic pet altogether. With the alternatives being an Oddfoot Pup or Antelope Pup, anyone have side by side stats between an Oddfoot Pup and Antelope Pup by any chance? b:thanks
  • Just_cool - Lost City
    Just_cool - Lost City Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    bobbeh wrote: »
    Unless you've added moves such as Bash to your frog, I'm surprised that you can throw in moves at level 60+ and not taking aggro away. The default aggro move (Toxic mist) has a long delay on the frog meaning that unless you put in some additional moves, IT WILL NOT HOLD AGGRO. In fact, under standard move-set, the carapest terror will be better.

    it's more about tanking, skills can be added later, don't blame a pet for not being a good mag tanker because it can't keep aggro, to get aggro be sure only your pet is hitting and no other party members or get some decent skills,
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  • Sibyl - Heavens Tear
    Sibyl - Heavens Tear Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I have a diabolic jester (starts at lvl 30 and it's a carapest) and he's now lvl 63. I have to say I like the little guy, he does decent damage and his skills (lvl ummm 2 sandblow and lvl 4 slow) will keep an aggro pretty well. I barely notice him taking magic damage, and his physical resistance isn't too bad. I haven't had a carapest terror, but if his big brother is any indication of his abilities, then I say go for it.
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  • killajemz
    killajemz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    also if your not looking to spend alot of money try using a soulchaser antelope, its also a good magic tank
  • Lillemy - Sanctuary
    Lillemy - Sanctuary Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Alittle slow, are we? *looks at the date*
    2 posts so far and both has been necro
  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Closed for necro.
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