For the love of rare pets.
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Ok so you all agree that only [1]high lvl venos get the tames, which they sell to get filthy rich. Or they are [2]killed by ppl like the guy that posted 3 posts ago (or something) who took the post personal.(if the shoe fits...)
And everyone agrees that only a small handfull of players should benefit, where the rest of the population should either just work towards making insanely rich venos even more rich or simply join the rank of "if I can't have it, no one can"
I see that the mostly US population live up to the stereotype everyone has of America. Ignore the pointless post and continue about your business. Guess eventually they will be added to the CS and then we'll see 100 rant posts a day about how the game is being ruined for everyone.0 -
There have been suggestions to solve the issue, both here and in the thread in the suggestion forum.
Considering I'm American and have made at least one of the suggestions, I would have to disagree your commentary.
I would also add, attempting to stereotype the citizens of a country as diverse as the US is futile, and would only invite trouble.Oishasan
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I have 3 rares, kitty, frog and piggy. i dont buy rares and hate rare sellers, i hate the fact they sell a pet way over priced to venos who can get them for free and really its every venos right to tame them. but some venos are so greedy all they think of is the cash they can make so come to spawns with all their -chann stuff and pots. then many when their tame fails they kill it which i think is noobish. i help my friends to get rares they want (atm i need 2 more frogs, a puppy and a kitty) but im sick of fighting tame bots. yes we all know there are tame bots and the gms needs to find a way to stop them because it is unfair
dont put in cs because thats just silly. and even though they are rare pets they arent so rare now as almost every veno has one or the other[SIGPIC]http://i43.tinypic.com/x549ac.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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its a good idea for newbies like me but wouldn't that be unfair to ppl who already spent a fortune on them?0
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LhRag - Sanctuary wrote: »its a good idea for newbies like me but wouldn't that be unfair to ppl who already spent a fortune on them?
not really cause it would still cost a fortune to buy them cause of the gold prices.0 -
This is the best solution, although unlikely to be implemented. Just randomize the spawn interval and location so it's on average once every 12 hours, but it could happen 10 seconds later or 36 hours later or any time in between. If high level tamers want to waste their day playing in a spot that doesn't give them exp or loot, hey it's their time to waste. The folks the right level for the spawn will be more likely to be playing there and will gain some benefit even if they never see it.Pets need to spawn at random intervals and in random places. This 12 hour bs is nonsense. I see the same people pull up to the spot within seconds of the mob spawning and those people seem to get the egg every time.
The economics of what you're proposing benefits the farmer. If you kill it, you stop the supply. As a result demand builds up, driving the price higher, benefiting the farmer.I've been to a rare spawn 10+ times and oddly enough the exact same person gets the egg every time. I refuse to buy one since I am not paying this person anything. I will now start killing them when I am around. I refuse to let this person make more money while all I want is one simple little pet to use for myself.
In my experience, about 1/3rd of the time it's killed. 1/3rd of the time it's tamed so quickly a high level with channeling gear must've gotten it. And 1/3rd of the time it takes more than 10 seconds (longest I've seen was nearly 2 minutes) at which point it's really anybody's game whose tame will land at just the right time.0 -
I am relatively new to PW but this all sounds so familiar from the trying to persuade GMs/devs to make changes to guys wanting to make a profit/ or annoy others.
In another game I play (and Im a high lvl character) one of most valuable drops is from a monster that (a) spawns at random (b) doesn't always drop it. Most people getting it have to be in a party/squad although a few can solo and nobody really knows when to get to dungeon.
Doesn't mean Forum isnt full of ranting and posturing of course but I suspect that's universal on forums. Of course nothing will change except perhaps adding rare pets to shop (to make money to keep game going etc).
Wouldn't it be fun - if not unlikely/impossible - if the pets spawned at random and in random locations. (Apologies if someone already said that but got bored reading all the posts). Pet pickets would have to become flying pickets
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P.S. To my post above:
I'd love to have a Shaodu Cub0 -
Mikeya - Heavens Tear wrote: »please, give me a reason that the bear is just for veno use!!!!!
Actually anyone can use it as all class pet, it has to go thru veno hands to get there tho.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Really i have issues taming rares only when a certain someone shows up to the spawn, she channels quickly and if she fails she kills it to keep prices up but only if she fails. But i think the root of the problem is people who buy them. If people stopped buying them the sellers wouldn't have a way to make money. But i noticed that when that certain someone stopped farming the kowlin, the priced dropped almost 500k....what is up with that?0
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Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »The economics of what you're proposing benefits the farmer. If you kill it, you stop the supply. As a result demand builds up, driving the price higher, benefiting the farmer.
Actually, my point to this was the farmer will do nothing but waste their time. Let them keep showing up time after time only to watch it get 1 shotted while they try to tame it. I am sick and tired of the same people getting these pets to sell at absurd prices. I have plenty of money, but I refuse to buy a level 20 bear cub that I could easily tame for 1.2m+
If people were using them, I could care less if I got it or not. The simple fact is its the same people that literally show up within a minute of spawn time getting the egg every time and within 5 minutes, it's up on the auction house.
Either randomize the spawn time and location or make them bind on capture. Just about every game I have ever played back since before EQ1 had rares at random spawn times to prevent this exact nonsense. People used to camp for rares for 12+ hours to get what they wanted. If a high level Veno wants to waste 12+ hours, they deserve the 1.2m +, but they sure don't deserve it for the 1 minute they spend as it is now.0 -
Actually, my point to this was the farmer will do nothing but waste their time. Let them keep showing up time after time only to watch it get 1 shotted while they try to tame it. I am sick and tired of the same people getting these pets to sell at absurd prices. I have plenty of money, but I refuse to buy a level 20 bear cub that I could easily tame for 1.2m+
If people were using them, I could care less if I got it or not. The simple fact is its the same people that literally show up within a minute of spawn time getting the egg every time and within 5 minutes, it's up on the auction house.
Either randomize the spawn time and location or make them bind on capture. Just about every game I have ever played back since before EQ1 had rares at random spawn times to prevent this exact nonsense. People used to camp for rares for 12+ hours to get what they wanted. If a high level Veno wants to waste 12+ hours, they deserve the 1.2m +, but they sure don't deserve it for the 1 minute they spend as it is now.
Your sentiments pretty much mirror mine, the only people getting them are those who have pretty much made a business out of it and sell them for inflated prices...... If I had enough time to waste I would show up at spawns every day just to kill the things.0 -
1.2 mil waiting for 12 hours? I can make more than that grinding in that same period, and I get exp and rep to boot. Good waste of time those pets are.Main characters
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What about making the rare pets spawn in an instance. After you enter the instance it would be 2 or 3 hours to spawn. In that 2 or 3 hours there would be "elite" mobs all around that respawn rather fast as to prevent just entering and camping all the time. The spawn wouldn't start to trigger until you entered the instance.0
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Evilixx - Heavens Tear wrote: »What about making the rare pets spawn in an instance. After you enter the instance it would be 2 or 3 hours to spawn. In that 2 or 3 hours there would be "elite" mobs all around that respawn rather fast as to prevent just entering and camping all the time. The spawn wouldn't start to trigger until you entered the instance.
Yes, and within that instance veno pets can't be used and -channeling gear doesn't work either, plus you can only enter solo. b:chuckleMain characters
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Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »1.2 mil waiting for 12 hours? I can make more than that grinding in that same period, and I get exp and rep to boot. Good waste of time those pets are.
That's the whole point. They wouldn't camp them if it wasn't free money for 1 minute of work. The current system sucks, plain and simple.0 -
Actually, my point to this was the farmer will do nothing but waste their time. Let them keep showing up time after time only to watch it get 1 shotted while they try to tame it. I am sick and tired of the same people getting these pets to sell at absurd prices. I have plenty of money, but I refuse to buy a level 20 bear cub that I could easily tame for 1.2m+
But the people farming them have a backlog of many eggs they're still trying to sell. If you eliminate the only other supply of eggs by killing the rares, then the eggs they possess become that much more valuable. And earlier you mentioned that they show less than a minute before the spawn. So all you're doing is making them waste a minute of their time every 12 hours. That probably doesn't phase them in the slightest.
One of those farmers mentioned she had 5 of the cub eggs (7 a few days later). I pointed out that if she had that many eggs, her asking price is probably too high. A good business is one priced where the demand meets the supply, and inventory is kept low. I don't know if it had any effect, but I did notice the auction starting price dropped from 1.8 million to 1.6 million a few days later. I believe educating people on how the economics of this works is the best way to maximize the supply.
Anyhow, when there were three cub eggs listed on HT auction for 1.6 million, there were bids being made. So there is demand at these prices. A lot of people want the cub, a lot more than there would be eggs even if every spawn was tamed and not killed. Just because you don't believe it's worth that much doesn't mean the market agrees with you.
I should probably mention that I don't farm these - if I got another I'd probably give it to a friend. But I do see farming these as a legitimate way to play the game. Killing them OTOH, either by the farmers, someone annoyed at the farmers, or someone trying to annoy all venos, is just stupid. The more eggs make it into players' hands, the more happy players there are with cubs, the more money the farmers make, the lower the overall demand gets, the lower the prices become, and the fewer venos there are competing for the rare spawns. It's win-win-win all around.0 -
Actually, my point to this was the farmer will do nothing but waste their time. Let them keep showing up time after time only to watch it get 1 shotted while they try to tame it. I am sick and tired of the same people getting these pets to sell at absurd prices. I have plenty of money, but I refuse to buy a level 20 bear cub that I could easily tame for 1.2m+
If people were using them, I could care less if I got it or not. The simple fact is its the same people that literally show up within a minute of spawn time getting the egg every time and within 5 minutes, it's up on the auction house.
Either randomize the spawn time and location or make them bind on capture. Just about every game I have ever played back since before EQ1 had rares at random spawn times to prevent this exact nonsense. People used to camp for rares for 12+ hours to get what they wanted. If a high level Veno wants to waste 12+ hours, they deserve the 1.2m +, but they sure don't deserve it for the 1 minute they spend as it is now.
So agreed.0 -
I think they should do it as close as it is in real life.
-Leave the pet to appear rarely and random on several territories with no fixed spots.
-Make the pet really hard to tame almost imposible. Really a job of high level veno or a very patient low level (long hours).
-Make the pet immune to kill (this is the fantasy part)
This should solve the issue, keeping the prices high and meeting demand too..0 -
meh... I was gonna add to the rants for the Nay side but all the good arguments have been stated.
Just a couple of things that I want to add:
1) Even if they put rares in the cash shop it probably wont do too much damage to farmers. It simply stabilizes the price. The Tabby and Pup go for about 650k easily so a 7 gold value (for example) will actually not do too much damage. Shadou, Kowlin and Piggy go between 1mil -1.5mil so that will drop their value a bit. Even with a cash shop presence the pets will still be farmed (I know I would still do it), the prices will drop a bit probably but even still... people will be looking for deals with the rares and the best way to get those deals will be from farmers therefore still making it profitable to farm
2) If the pets did show up in the cash shop I doubt it would be for 7 gold, I'd bet that they would be priced to average market prices of what the rares go for now.
3) You don't have to be high lvl to nab a pet. Yes it makes life easier but you will notice that the price of having reduced channeling is that you pay the risk of channeling too fast. My veno is lvl 40ish right now and I've got just under 10 rares on her (mix of piggy, frog, kitty and shadou) since she's been lvl 30 (not counting the tons of snow hares from back in the lvl 20 days). I'm not in a hurry to tame pets so if some one out channels me it's not a big deal, I'll just come back the next time. It's not all about luck and channeling, you need to have some skill and knowledge of the pet spawn paths and patterns too.
4) If you're lvl 20 and can't even figure out how to decrease your channeling by 15% with very little money you shouldn't even be taming the rares. Invest a little time to do some research instead of crying about how you channel to slow.
5) Most of the time newbies can't even tell the difference between a killed pet and a tamed pet. These people drive me nuts, it's not hard to tell the difference... no pile of coins = pet tamed. I've been to TONS of spawns where one of the higher lvl venos nabbed the pet in about a second of it's spawn and then all the annoying noobs start complaining how it died when there were clearly no coins and the pet faded instead of fell over.
6) Yes people that kill them on purpose are annoying but really the fact that everyone vents about it gives them more fun. I personally could careless if someone kills it. All the better for the venos that have stashed pets. I show up and spend about 20mins of my time to try my luck at what could really be considered a lottery, if I win great, if not... meh I'll try again later.
As one veno said before in one of these rare pets threads:
Learn to play the game instead of trying to change the rules
Anyways peace out and good luck to all the tamers.0 -
Atheeni - Heavens Tear wrote: »3) You don't have to be high lvl to nab a pet. Yes it makes life easier but you will notice that the price of having reduced channeling is that you pay the risk of channeling too fast. My veno is lvl 40ish right now and I've got just under 10 rares on her (mix of piggy, frog, kitty and shadou) since she's been lvl 30 (not counting the tons of snow hares from back in the lvl 20 days). I'm not in a hurry to tame pets so if some one out channels me it's not a big deal, I'll just come back the next time. It's not all about luck and channeling, you need to have some skill and knowledge of the pet spawn paths and patterns too.
4) If you're lvl 20 and can't even figure out how to decrease your channeling by 15% with very little money you shouldn't even be taming the rares. Invest a little time to do some research instead of crying about how you channel to slow.
5) Most of the time newbies can't even tell the difference between a killed pet and a tamed pet. These people drive me nuts, it's not hard to tell the difference... no pile of coins = pet tamed. I've been to TONS of spawns where one of the higher lvl venos nabbed the pet in about a second of it's spawn and then all the annoying noobs start complaining how it died when there were clearly no coins and the pet faded instead of fell over.
6) Yes people that kill them on purpose are annoying but really the fact that everyone vents about it gives them more fun. I personally could careless if someone kills it. All the better for the venos that have stashed pets. I show up and spend about 20mins of my time to try my luck at what could really be considered a lottery, if I win great, if not... meh I'll try again later.
As one veno said before in one of these rare pets threads:
Learn to play the game instead of trying to change the rules
Anyways peace out and good luck to all the tamers.
I see your point but how exactly do you fix the problem of a failed quick channel then killing before anyone has even the slightest chance of finishing a channel o_o?
and yes, i would have to agree that i can't stand people that can't tell if it died or not =.= it's pretty obvious half the time who gets it too.0 -
you fix it by making people increase their channeling speed or bring out less pet. i've seen countless people complain about me killing the pet just cause i'm a farmer, when there are like 6 other pets around.
if they don't adapt then they lose. and if you are complaining high lvl people have an advantage. well, two word, LVL UP. i mean you don't see people complaining about getting killed too fast in TW becasue of being low lvl. there will always be perks to being a high lvl and that's what mmorpg is all about. if you don't like it, go play fps or something.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
A pet is a veno's weapon. May as well add legendary weapons to the cash shop so other classes can get some too.[SIGPIC]http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9623/catlauncherqj2.png[/SIGPIC]
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there is actually a reason why they can't do that... what lvl weapon are you going to put...
oh wait... i think there are, correct me if i'm wrong. looking through pw database i've seen a lot of nice weapon mold only attainable through special lucky pack which i've never seen or heard off. i think it's event related.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »there is actually a reason why they can't do that... what lvl weapon are you going to put...
oh wait... i think there are, correct me if i'm wrong. looking through pw database i've seen a lot of nice weapon mold only attainable through special lucky pack which i've never seen or heard off. i think it's event related.
i believe those are connected to DQ quests.Back.0 -
Now that is the funniest thing I've ever seen in a reply, pets are a veno's weapon... well of course they are but we aren't talking about attacking pets we are talking about all class pets which don't attack after being made into all class which is what was wanted to be put in the CS. All class pets have nothing to do with putting molds or other such weapons in CS. And as for them being an attacking pet before all class they suck at it, these pets are not stat'd good for either attack or defense other than the AquaDarma (which is named differently here) and Armored Bear which don't seem to be a major part of this rant, seems to be the baby bear, cat, puppy that are majorly camped. And none of those make good attack pets.
Not that Veno's haven't used them for that but usually not for very long, funniest thing I ever saw was a lvl 75 snow bunny. Someone had a lot of patience lvling that. If and when they put all class pets in CS you can bet they will range from 5 to 20gold depending on the pet so I doubt it will hurt the economy all that much.
Really the only ones that don't want them in the CS are the ones that are getting and selling them for a small fortune already. I have been trying to tame a baby bear forever and have yet been able to compete with 15-25 veno's that show up at spawn time and since all my money goes to skills I'm not exactly rich enough to buy one nor would I pay the prices asked. But to each thier own.0 -
Mari_chan - Heavens Tear wrote: »I see your point but how exactly do you fix the problem of a failed quick channel then killing before anyone has even the slightest chance of finishing a channel o_o?
I don't want to give away the trick, but the experienced tamers very rarely fail due to a quick channel. It doesn't happen unless they lag or they mess up the pet commands. I don't like farmers, but the way the game is set up they have a right to farm. And in my experience, they are some of the best tamers out there. They know exactly when to send in the pet, when to start casting tame, and when to make the pet attack/stop attacking. I was at the frog spot for a week and someone there had the procedure down like clockwork. Frog would spawn, a short pause, pet would come in, hit the frog once, and a fraction of a second later it'd be tamed. All before my tame even finished casting. I would be in awe if I weren't so annoyed. b:laugh
A friend was at the puppy spot and said only the most experienced tamer had a pet out. The pup spawned, pet went in and started attacking, then stopped. A whole string of failed messages popped up above the pup, pet started attacking again, and the pet owner had forever to finish her tame. They are very good at this, and I don't begrudge them the spoils that come with that level of skill.
You need to become as skilled as them if you want to beat them. Go find some mobs around the level of the rare you're trying to tame. Find out how much damage your pet does, how much damage the mob needs to take before your tame succeeds most of the time, how long your pet continues to attack after you issue the stop command on your client. Learn how the skill works, how it interacts with your pet controls, and think about strategies for how you're going to beat a dozen other venos. If you're just showing up at the rare spot, targeting the rare and hitting your tame hotkey, then praying, you shouldn't be surprised you're not getting the rare. (If you're doing all this with your pet out and on auto, you're probably the one killing the rare.)0 -
the baby bear, cat, puppy that are majorly camped. And none of those make good attack pets.
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IShoOtCatZ - Lost City wrote: »A pet is a veno's weapon. May as well add legendary weapons to the cash shop so other classes can get some too.
and what about herc and pheonix those are pets and only obtainable through the cash shop. and this makes no sense venos use weapons and magic too so why do people bring these lame **** comment i bet your one of the pet farmers.0
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