my herc just WONT tank

Vinat - Sanctuary
Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
edited January 2009 in Venomancer
part of the time. against regular mobs hes fine, holds aggro and all that, but EVERY FB MOB shifts aggro to me, always. it's really irritating and becoming a problem. i did a 39 today with a veno friend who also has a herc, hes a few lvls lower than me and his herc holds aggro better than mine. we got to talking and he came to the conclusion that mine doesnt hold agro because my mag attack is too strong, which yes is the main reason aggro would shift but.. his solution to this was that i need to do less damage than the herc... like.. all the time. meaning basically be really weak. this just doesnt sit well with me. if i were to do/be as he suggested it would take me literally 3x longer to kill something and to me that is absurd. but is this how a veno build should be? default being aim to do less damage than your pets? if i have low mag attack how the hell am i gonna heal my pets effectively?

also id like to repeat that it is only inside the fbs that herc cannot hold aggro. also like to mention that yes, i replaced pounce with bash. any advice/insight inot any of this would be appreciated. thanks.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I haven't had this problem with my herc. He holds agro just fine. Is his bash level 4?
    Main characters
    Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
    Sage Barbarian Malego - 91
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    hm no, ill try leveling it up a few levels see if it improves.
  • senovit
    senovit Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    If you have the ability to attack and pull aggro, you won't need the herc for tanking anyway. Use a golem since its attack is higher. Herc is for those spam heal bosses :p
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Well thats your problem, you need a higher level bash. My herc has replaced my golem entirely.
    Main characters
    Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
    Sage Barbarian Malego - 91
  • doremi12
    doremi12 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    part of the time. against regular mobs hes fine, holds aggro and all that, but EVERY FB MOB shifts aggro to me, always. it's really irritating and becoming a problem. i did a 39 today with a veno friend who also has a herc, hes a few lvls lower than me and his herc holds aggro better than mine. we got to talking and he came to the conclusion that mine doesnt hold agro because my mag attack is too strong, which yes is the main reason aggro would shift but.. his solution to this was that i need to do less damage than the herc... like.. all the time. meaning basically be really weak. this just doesnt sit well with me. if i were to do/be as he suggested it would take me literally 3x longer to kill something and to me that is absurd. but is this how a veno build should be? default being aim to do less damage than your pets? if i have low mag attack how the hell am i gonna heal my pets effectively?

    also id like to repeat that it is only inside the fbs that herc cannot hold aggro. also like to mention that yes, i replaced pounce with bash. any advice/insight inot any of this would be appreciated. thanks.

    Herc has a bug that sometime when you select the skill, it just wont tick. Be sure you select bashing (assuming its the highest level you can get) and left click to get it tick.

    Do not keep casting, instead let your herc hit couple of time before you cast. Stop every 4 cast or so.
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Opening up with dots always works well in letting pets do their job. Sometimes I don't even nuke.
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  • ShadeKitty - Sanctuary
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Hmmmm, I generally have very few issues with my herc and not taking aggro and I am pure mag (enough str for equiips rest mag). I admit though I watch how much damage each attack does, and if i do more than 4x what he is doing, then I back off some. It seems to me that if you do much mroe than 4x what herc is doing in a hit you will take aggro, assuming of course that herc got the first hit, preferably with bash. Also like another person said, everytime you summon your herc you have to right click the bash skill and then watch ti to make sure it automatically goes off, as sometiems it gltiches and doesn't go off, and for some reason bash holds aggro like nothing else...so if you see ti not going off, click it to make it go off.
  • Mua - Lost City
    Mua - Lost City Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    doremi12 wrote: »
    Herc has a bug that sometime when you select the skill, it just wont tick. Be sure you select bashing (assuming its the highest level you can get) and left click to get it tick.

    It's not a Herc bug, I got that with the Shadou Cub as well. Just make sure the bash is selected as soon as you summon it and BEFORE you attack anything.
    Mua - 8x WF - Conqueror
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    i'm not entirely stupid. i mean, yes at first i most definately was, but now i know all the basics... and yes.. i do have the pet hit the mobs with bash before i try and attack them... still does not work. i always steal aggro.

    and i noticed something else, another thread made me think of this, so ill just tag it on in here...

    i cant lure either. i know the process, know how its done, and yes i CAN lure.. just never 1 mob. i send the herc to a section and when i un summon EVERYTHING comes running at me. again, only a problem inside the fb dungeons. this issue kind of defeats the entire purpose of luring.. because the mob group doesnt separate..

    what the hell is wrong with my herc? i do everything just like everyone else does but i dont get the same results. when i lure with OTHER pets it works fine, so i know its not some.. **** up on my part.. if it were then i would have the same problem across the board with all pets. it is only the herc. and im really getting more upset with each post i read or person i talk to whos herc doesnt have these issues.
  • demise
    demise Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    When you lure with Hercules, do you have Reflect activated? That will generate aggro from the mobs surrounding your target.
    If that's the case, just use it's physical and magic defense buff before sending it out.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    ok, thank you, i will try that.
  • Seilen - Heavens Tear
    Seilen - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i'm not entirely stupid. i mean, yes at first i most definately was, but now i know all the basics... and yes.. i do have the pet hit the mobs with bash before i try and attack them... still does not work. i always steal aggro.

    and i noticed something else, another thread made me think of this, so ill just tag it on in here...

    i cant lure either. i know the process, know how its done, and yes i CAN lure.. just never 1 mob. i send the herc to a section and when i un summon EVERYTHING comes running at me. again, only a problem inside the fb dungeons. this issue kind of defeats the entire purpose of luring.. because the mob group doesnt separate..

    what the hell is wrong with my herc? i do everything just like everyone else does but i dont get the same results. when i lure with OTHER pets it works fine, so i know its not some.. **** up on my part.. if it were then i would have the same problem across the board with all pets. it is only the herc. and im really getting more upset with each post i read or person i talk to whos herc doesnt have these issues.

    Never ever use herc to pull mobs as he pick agro of all in range.
    Rather use normal mob without skill to pull and then switch to herc to actually tank.

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