Money making advice

just go buy urself and gold hp and mp charm, forget pots. pots= biggest money waster in the world. sell your drops pretty much.once you can , start farming TT

i dont buy gold, i buy charms off other players, trust me, go buy urself a gold hp and mp charm bro, they will last you a long time.

Yeah, I just did the math, Sticky's right. Let's take a gold HP charm for example and compare it to a Perfect Health Potion:

1 Perfect Health Potion - 1,300 coin - heals 1,560 HP (over 10 sec)
1 Gold HP Charm - 400,000 coin (rough estimate) - heals 600,000 HP (when health drops to half, immediate)

1560HP / 1300coin = 1.2 HP per coin
600000HP / 400000coin = 1.5 HP per coin

So, even on the face of it, the charm is more efficient per coin. Now, it only adds value by being a life-saver (kicking in at half way), automatic, and immediate (as opposed to over 10 secs). Then on top of that, the pots lose value since they're often over-healing - In other words, say you use a pot at 75% health, and the pot heals you to 100% and then some. You basically "wasted" whatever HP it healed over 100%. Unless you're really good at activating it at the exact amount of health you need or just under, you'll never get the full amount of every pot.

Life Powders and such can be a good deal, but they are inversely affected by in-battle regeneration (25% effective). Still, they help while the charm recharges, or to avoid any charm usage depending on damage taken.

Don't forget to look for a cleric nearby the grinding spot to buff u before start grinding. It will save u some mp/hp charms/pots usage.

i never stop doing crazy stone, even when it costs me 75k to get 3.8%...

The trick to making money is all about the mindset, I have always had a ton of money, and there a couple of things I have learned that will give you plenty of cash.

1. Die: While most people don't want to die much, it does increase how long you get to grind, slows down your leveling (higher grind time per equipment upgrade ratio).

2. Don't do crazy stones, I have only done it 4 times in total (the first time to see what it was, the other 3 because I wanted them off my quest list, since you can't trash them). They increase xp/spirit, but not only decrease grind time (the best time for money), but cost money, don't increase reputation etc.

3. Don't buy equipment: At least not from vendors, I only use the stuff that drops for me, but since not all classes can do that at least shop around and use the Auctioneer.

4. Know what stats are valuable and use the auctioneer, if it isn't valuable sell to a vendor (Tip for those that don't know, 3 star items can be decomposed into Mirage Celestones to increase their value)

5. Pick up everything: Not just the piles of gold coins, but equipment, ammo, spiritstones etc. it adds up.

6. Lower your costs as much as possible: Figure out what can be done without and do without it, I.E. Don't teleport unless your in a hurry, use diamond sutra before your charm goes off, use a charm instead of potions etc.

b:sin Venos, have hp regeneration, mp regeneration and my fav, the MP HP swapping, it is the most useful,
For the ones who didnt know, venos have higher drop rates in very low mobs ( i am 43 i kill jackaleopardites lv 23) if they solo the mob ,not use a pet, ( i prefer fox form , bcuz i can steal his hp 2 regen my hpb:victory)

You can make a decent amount of money by picking herbs / mining things and selling them. Just decide what items you want to mine (preferably something that you don't need for your own manufacturing skill) and set up your cat shop at a prime location. For example, herbs sell best near an apothecary. You should also familiarize yourself with the item uses / value so that you can price it accordingly (i.e. nectar is worth more than ageratum). Good luck.

participate in wars, grind in a party, AOE party more.
sell dq.

DaemiAx - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:sin Venos, have hp regeneration, mp regeneration and my fav, the MP HP swapping, it is the most useful,
For the ones who didnt know, venos have higher drop rates in very low mobs ( i am 43 i kill jackaleopardites lv 23) if they solo the mob ,not use a pet, ( i prefer fox form , bcuz i can steal his hp 2 regen my hpb:victory)

I soloed rhinodrakes outside of archo at lvl 38 with a lvl 20 pet and got good drops... 6 hay in 30 mins.

Buy feathers and sources. Set them up in a shop in Lost City individually and price them at about 50-100k each. Label your shop as "Battle Pets."

b:chuckle

Another good way to make coin. Play a Veno up to level 40-50ish. Take time out to learn Pet Respawn times each week, take 5 minutes a day to try to catch one. Tada Instant coin if you get it. Also.. for some preason.. Venos make a lot of money. I grinded with my friend for two hours tonight and came out with 300k.

Also, go with what others are saying . . . Charms really, really save money. A lot of money.

Also, farm any mines you see around you. Get enough and you can sell that stuff for some good coin. Especially from lazy, loaded Venos like myself. I'd rather buy mats then farm them.

or you can role like i do and sleep with shnuggles and get free zhen!

edit: my 500th post, thanks to shnuggles for making this possible

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- You get potions as loot drops. Lots of them. In fact, combined with life powder, my barb has only had to buy potions once. This reduces their price in your calculation, since they sell to a vendor for half what they cost to buy.

That's true, but I don't agree with "lots of them." In the past, I've had to purchase around 100 MP and HP pots every so many levels. In the early levels, it was around every 10 levels. More recently, it's been every 2 levels. This is all beside what I get as drops. Besides, you do get half, and selling them gets you more money you could spend on the charms.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- The classes which use hp potions a lot tend to have a lot of hp. The classes which use mp potions a lot tend to have a lot of mp. So most of the time you get the full effect of the potion, not never as you suggest.

I never suggested "never." If you do have a charm (for backup purposes), you have to 'fight' the automatic function with pots. By that, I mean having to hit a pot before your health hits halfway or your mana reaches 75%. If you hit it too soon, you waste most of the potion as I mentioned. If you hit it too late, you waste all of the potion as the charm kicks in. If you don't have a charm at all, then you're right. However, it is risky to go without a charm at higher levels.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- If you use a potion while meditating, you double their effectiveness. (The corollary being if you use a potion in combat, it's only 25% as effective.) If you're grinding, you shouldn't be doing anything excessively risky, so you should be able to regen hp/mp while sitting most of the time to maximize your return on each potion.

While true, that is a fairly useless function of pots. Regaining mana/health is most needed in battle. If you're out of battle, and you have time to meditate, then it's pretty pointless to use pots. We're talking money-saving techniques here, right? If you're advocating using pots as purely a meditation-assistant, then I'm with ya if your time is that worthwhile. But then, simply getting a charm and letting it kick in while you never stop to meditate would be even more worthwhile.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Combined, I reckon these points mean the 1.2 hp per coin you calculate for potions is actually closer to around 4.8 hp per coin. The only use I can see for charms is for emergencies, for zhen groups, and if you're willing to pay $$$ to save time.

4.8 per coin? No. The potions you find only cover about half the total used pots, and each of those are at half price (not free, as you could sell them). so that adds .3 to the cost = 1.5. That puts them at about even. After that, there are other benefits and costs - pots double effectiveness during meditation (out of battle, not in air or water), but can lose out in 'over-healing.' What's left? Charms are immediate and automatic. Pots... well that's it.

So, charms are slightly better in functionality, but equal in price-for-HP or -MP. Again, that's also if you purchase at 400k each. You can usually find them cheaper, and if charm packs ever come back, they'll be even cheaper.