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ShadeKitty - Sanctuary
ShadeKitty - Sanctuary Posts: 80 Arc User
edited January 2009 in General Discussion
Alrighty so today's rant is about Mantavip Scout and ********. So my friend who tanks things i can't got on today and we went and did Empyrean Slither, which gave me the quest to do Mantavip Scout afterward, so we decide we're gonna try it. So we get there, there is no one in sight, so we start pulling the Dragon of the Depths (as i needed one for a quest as well), and we kill them just fine. After we kill the DoDs we get all rebuffed and ready to go to find to our dismay some selfish pricks were killing Mantavip, from the air none the less! Now in my mind killing a water mob/boss from the air not only is stupid due to the damage penalty, but is ver glitch worthy (as killing Gouf from the air is a bannable glitch). So of course in a rage I send it to world chat, bashing the faction and their moronicness, and to my dismay not one single person found this offensive, much less a glitch (most said you don't have to kill the DoDs if you fight it from the air, which as mentioned makes it a glitch in my eyes). I won't name names, but those who did it know who they are and should be ashamed. I don't care if no one agrees, it is still WRONG.
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  • VonTerror - Lost City
    VonTerror - Lost City Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    If using any sort of technique like this one on a boss is bannable this game should just be wiped off the face of the earth. You are not luring it somewhere where it can't go, you are not using guards to kill it for you. You are avoiding other mobs around it. Manta still pounds you in the air. you just aren't fighting his mobs. I klled Manta that way. Please ban me for it if thats even remotely true, oh and the other 95% of 60+ who all did it this way as well. How is it any different then when veno's in fbs lure a boss so you don't have to fight his guards in a dungeon?
    b:bye
  • swiftlikeafox
    swiftlikeafox Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Alrighty so today's rant is about Mantavip Scout and ********. So my friend who tanks things i can't got on today and we went and did Empyrean Slither, which gave me the quest to do Mantavip Scout afterward, so we decide we're gonna try it. So we get there, there is no one in sight, so we start pulling the Dragon of the Depths (as i needed one for a quest as well), and we kill them just fine. After we kill the DoDs we get all rebuffed and ready to go to find to our dismay some selfish pricks were killing Mantavip, from the air none the less! Now in my mind killing a water mob/boss from the air not only is stupid due to the damage penalty, but is ver glitch worthy (as killing Gouf from the air is a bannable glitch). So of course in a rage I send it to world chat, bashing the faction and their moronicness, and to my dismay not one single person found this offensive, much less a glitch (most said you don't have to kill the DoDs if you fight it from the air, which as mentioned makes it a glitch in my eyes). I won't name names, but those who did it know who they are and should be ashamed. I don't care if no one agrees, it is still WRONG.



    Get over yourself and quit whining already, Mantavip scout does plenty of damage to parties attacking from the air and therefore is not a "glitch"... gouf is only considered a glitch when attacked from directly overhead and disabling his attacks......

    Likewise the party attempting to kill Mantavip from the air most likely did not see you down in the water as mantavips immense size obscures from view anything underneath him, and they probably could not have known that you were trying to kill him as well, instead of crying like a big spolied brat of a baby in WC, maybe you could've asked them for an invite.

    Giood god man just quit b:cry
  • Klath - Sanctuary
    Klath - Sanctuary Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Killing mantavip that way is NOT a bannable offence, get your facts straight before making yourself look like a complete idiot on public.
    He CAN fight you back, you do HALF the damage against him. You do take damage and can be killed by him.
    He is a MAGE, not MELEE monster. Unlike gouf or kimsa that venos love to exploit.

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  • swiftlikeafox
    swiftlikeafox Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Unlike gouf or kimsa that venos love to exploit.

    TAKE THAT BACK! I seen a cleric exploiting gouf(or trying to) a couple days ago! Kept trying to line herself up directly over his head.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Killing Gouf from the air is even possible? Why doesn't he heal himself like any other melee monster? o.O
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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Killing Gouf from the air is even possible? Why doesn't he heal himself like any other melee monster? o.O

    bug thats why its bannable
  • Klath - Sanctuary
    Klath - Sanctuary Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    TAKE THAT BACK! I seen a cleric exploiting gouf(or trying to) a couple days ago! Kept trying to line herself up directly over his head.
    LoLed. Not sure if you said that as a joke, but gouf will heal himself after 15 seconds the cleric (or anybody else he cant fight back) attacked him.
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  • swiftlikeafox
    swiftlikeafox Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LoLed. Not sure if you said that as a joke, but gouf will heal himself after 15 seconds the cleric (or anybody else he cant fight back) attacked him.

    Hey i never said she was successful, but she appearently wasn't doing too bad as she had taken off 1/4 of his life before she flew away(appearently nervous because other people started gathering around)
  • Deadbone - Sanctuary
    Deadbone - Sanctuary Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't care if no one agrees, it is still WRONG.

    If no one agrees, then obviously it isn't wrong. I look foward to the day ur constant nagging is banned from the forumsb:bye
  • Starang - Lost City
    Starang - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Yes It Is So Wrong!!11
  • Dinny - Heavens Tear
    Dinny - Heavens Tear Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I can't think of a single person who has been banned or even warned for fighting Mantavip in air. And as a result, I can conclude it is not "wrong".

    I do not intend for this statement to be offensive, so if you take it as such you have my sincere apologies, but it is up to the game masters themselves to define what does and does not constitute a bannable offense. And to my knowledge, no one has been warned about Mantavip; hence, it is in fact perfectly 'legal' to attack Mantavip whilst in the air.
  • Kimyrielle - Heavens Tear
    Kimyrielle - Heavens Tear Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Most people kill Manta from the air, as far as I have seen. And yes, as others have pointed out, the difference is that you're not exploiting a bug - unlike with Gouf, who totally stops dealing damage to you when you trigger the bug.

    As for the group killing him while you were rebuffing - have you any indication at all that they did on purpose? Were you even near him (since he wanders)? Did you try to contact them during the fight or at least after it?
    In a situation like this, there is a strong possibility that they didn't even do it on purpose. So as long as you can't 100% confirm that it was a non-accidental KS, I'd not really go slander them over w/c.

    We had a similar situation like this with Kong. We were killing off his sidekicks and when we wanted to go after the big baddie, he was already under attack from another group coming in from the other side of his patrol route (boss wandered off while we were picking off the little ones). Yes, it was technically a KS, but they had no way to know, since they didn't see us. In general, I guess talking to people usually resolves this kind of stuff fairly quickly. I'd even say, the vast majority of all KS going on, are actually accidents.
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  • Lazyluna - Heavens Tear
    Lazyluna - Heavens Tear Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    They probably never saw you. If they did, they may have thought you were only after the Dragons since everyone fights Mantavip from the air.

    This is no glitch. Fighting Gouf with an air pet is a glitch only because he never attacks your pet. He freezes in place and doesn't regenerate HP instead. If you fight from the air, Mantavip will still chew you up, spit you out and pick his teeth with your skeletal remains. He is one scary, casting... oversized-thing with a trident. And you are a tasty side-dish.
    b:bye RETIRED
  • ShadeKitty - Sanctuary
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    For all you who can't read, I never said it was a bannable offense, I said it SHOULD be imo. Also we talked to them, we yelled at them, we cursed at them, in that order, and they never once said a single word. No I'm sorry, not even **** off. They just flew in and started killing him in the 1 minute we were rebuffing...And also, if you can't take 5-10 mins out of your day to kill the DoDs as well, I have to question whether you deserve to get the manta kill...
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Only offensive here would be stealing your boss after you spent time clearing add-ons b:angry. But most people kill it from air since its hard find a barb that wanna help doing bosses b:surrender. Easier to just get a wiz or cleric and kill from air. And it isn't/shouldn't be considered a glitch since the party still get hits by aoe, the tank gets hit by heavy water magic and can die. Only it does is avoiding mele dmg really. But takes ages to kill since half dmg tho. Using barb and lure it to the little island is kinda faster, but people tend to get tired of waiting weeks to get full party+ barb willing to tank mantavip. Not many would get the seven breve reward at lvl 61 if air killing wasn't possible.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I think that they should fix Gouf's bug.
  • Arravis - Lost City
    Arravis - Lost City Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For all you who can't read, I never said it was a bannable offense, I said it SHOULD be imo. Also we talked to them, we yelled at them, we cursed at them, in that order, and they never once said a single word. No I'm sorry, not even **** off. They just flew in and started killing him in the 1 minute we were rebuffing...And also, if you can't take 5-10 mins out of your day to kill the DoDs as well, I have to question whether you deserve to get the manta kill...

    So let me get this straight. You btched at them and threw offensive comments because of something you based your own opinions on.

    Right. If I were that "prick", I wouldn't say anything back either. I don't think you'd deserve a response.

    And if he/she was just there for Mantavip, why would he/she bother with DoD? He/she deserved the Manta kill because he/she can kill it, simple as that b:bye

    Okay, enough rudeness from me, let me get down to the real reason:

    Mantavip has magic attacks --> Can be tanked by a cleric/mage.

    DoD however, takes down robe users quite easily, even from a distance.

    So the easiest way is to simply get around the DoDs.

    Now I don't know how you want to do it, but have fun sending that barbarian or mage of yours into the water to get eaten by three bosses at once.
  • Apoiio - Sanctuary
    Apoiio - Sanctuary Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    You said you didn't want to name anyone who whispered to you. Well I'm naming myself. I warned you you'd humiliate yourself in world chat and you did. I didn't expect you to do the same on the forums. lol@you

    Oh, and as I heard, your squad was half dead when NWO stepped in. FYI you were outdamaged by a cleric. Again... lol@you

    b:bye
  • swiftlikeafox
    swiftlikeafox Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For all you who can't read, I never said it was a bannable offense, I said it SHOULD be imo. Also we talked to them, we yelled at them, we cursed at them, in that order, and they never once said a single word. No I'm sorry, not even **** off. They just flew in and started killing him in the 1 minute we were rebuffing...And also, if you can't take 5-10 mins out of your day to kill the DoDs as well, I have to question whether you deserve to get the manta kill...



    So in other words, you may or may not have been KSed and you want someone to get banned over it???? Grow up.
  • HolyDemon - Lost City
    HolyDemon - Lost City Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    thanks for the tip b:victory
  • ShadeKitty - Sanctuary
    ShadeKitty - Sanctuary Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Apoiio - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You said you didn't want to name anyone who whispered to you. Well I'm naming myself. I warned you you'd humiliate yourself in world chat and you did. I didn't expect you to do the same on the forums. lol@you

    Oh, and as I heard, your squad was half dead when NWO stepped in. FYI you were outdamaged by a cleric. Again... lol@you

    b:bye

    They were no where in sight the entire time we were taking the DoDs, and the only reason i died so much was because I crit and took aggro a few times. That being said it still doesn't give them the right to take Manta when we were all resed and ready to go. It doesn't matter how many times you die as long as you get back up and finish teh job.


    As for whoever said its suicide to take all three, well yeah it is, but the DoDs can be pulled off of Manta by a veno.


    In anycase whatever, NWO is forever my enemy for being such dicks, and I am done with this thread and all the morons in it.
  • aryannamage
    aryannamage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Okay guys the flaming in here has gone a bit far and as the OP is done with this anyway...

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