What happenning on lost city?

Your experiences would undoubtedly be different if you played on the PvE servers.

Heaven's Tear/Sanctuary, now recruiting people who can't handle PVP. Must enjoy not being able to touch your enemies outside of TW unless they allow it.

YES IT IS ABOUT MORAL!

Enjoy the teaparty.

Meanwhile, back in LC where thousands of people manage to deal with pking and still have their own "resources" and mobs... (LOL @ Cancer wanting to "have all the mobs". 3-4x mobs so valuable to 9x!)

Imo, blame the PvP Ranking system.
It has done its job by pushing people to pk even more than before.

Otherwise, change servers or accept reality.

Mua - Lost City wrote: »

"Did I says I can not get resources I need"
In the words of Shaye- Reasons to love Perfect World.

Anyway, so exactly what is your problem then? You say the problem is not PVP then you whine about people killing 50 levels below them. You say you don't like people stealing resources and mobs but you say you can get them anyway. Are you just lazy or do you enjoy contradicting yourself?

You are misconstruing and misinterpreting his words.

He does not have a problem with Player Killing as long as its within reason. As in he doesn't mind if they are within the same range of levels where you at least have *somewhat* of a chance of fighting and defending yourself.

He is referring to those level 60's 70's and 80's who just wander around a level 30 zone constantly harassing the new players.

Even though its something you believe everyone should deal with - its something that is in your interest to to prevent. If Lost City doesn't gain new players, then all it does is destroy itself.

I get the feeling that most level 80's wouldn't have spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on this game if they could not "show off" to impress the lowbies.

Lost city is slowly dying. I dont think you'd be happy about loosing a $100+ investment when they remove the server because it isn't profitable anymore.

angellicdeity wrote: »

You are misconstruing and misinterpreting his words.

He does not have a problem with Player Killing as long as its within reason. As in he doesn't mind if they are within the same range of levels where you at least have *somewhat* of a chance of fighting and defending yourself.

He is referring to those level 60's 70's and 80's who just wander around a level 30 zone constantly harassing the new players.

Even though its something you believe everyone should deal with - its something that is in your interest to to prevent. If Lost City doesn't gain new players, then all it does is destroy itself.

I get the feeling that most level 80's wouldn't have spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on this game if they could not "show off" to impress the lowbies.

Lost city is slowly dying. I dont think you'd be happy about loosing a $100+ investment when they remove the server because it isn't profitable anymore.

lost city is still way more profitable than tea-party servers.
Here you waste your hieros & dolls a LOT faster than anything the tea parties can offer, more gold invested.

angellicdeity wrote: »

You are misconstruing and misinterpreting his words.

He does not have a problem with Player Killing as long as its within reason. As in he doesn't mind if they are within the same range of levels where you at least have *somewhat* of a chance of fighting and defending yourself.

He is referring to those level 60's 70's and 80's who just wander around a level 30 zone constantly harassing the new players.

Even though its something you believe everyone should deal with - its something that is in your interest to to prevent. If Lost City doesn't gain new players, then all it does is destroy itself.

I get the feeling that most level 80's wouldn't have spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on this game if they could not "show off" to impress the lowbies.

Lost city is slowly dying. I dont think you'd be happy about loosing a $100+ investment when they remove the server because it isn't profitable anymore.

Good luck waiting for that. After all, impressing lowbies is serious business, and what's more impressive than dying?

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

lost city is still way more profitable than tea-party servers.
Here you waste your hieros & dolls a LOT faster than anything the tea parties can offer, more gold invested.

Profitable to a point, until the 'new blood' realizes their money is being wasted trying to compete in a world where they cannot. High levels aren't really using much money on heiros if all they do is 1-shot lowbies.
Such is the bane of the PvP server, burns really hot, but the flame burns out just as fast.

As to what server is buying zhen on a daily basis, I would love to see that. For I highly doubt it is Lost City any longer. Most LC 'new blood' wouldn't spend real money, where on the PvE servers they would.. for it would actually be beneficial.


to above poster:
That's fantastic, I heard about those 2 players when I first started this game and LC was my default server. I am sure they will be there until the end of that server's life.
But here's more to my point...those are 2 players...there's 50 million subscribers (according to mods). Now who do you seriously think is outspending who?; and what servers do you honestly believe are getting the influx of new players?
Where do you think the marketing is going to be placed when the devs/creators look at how new players are treated? (i.e. will they stay and spend $ or leave in disgust?)
The PvP server is and always will be a small, miniscule niche and it's population will diminish the longer it lives, where PvE server populations only get larger over time.
In PWI, TWs are on all servers, so 'action' is there for all players, and 'PvP' is more of a veiled-griefing aspect. Let's see where the populations are over time though.

Oishasan - Sanctuary wrote: »

to above poster:
That's fantastic, I heard about those 2 players when I first started this game and LC was my default server. I am sure they will be there until the end of that server's life.
But here's more to my point...those are 2 players...there's 50 million subscribers (according to mods). Now who do you seriously think is outspending who?; and what servers do you honestly believe are getting the influx of new players?
Where do you think the marketing is going to be placed when the devs/creators look at how new players are treated? (i.e. will they stay and spend $ or leave in disgust?)
The PvP server is and always will be a small, miniscule niche and it's population will diminish the longer it lives, where PvE server populations only get larger over time.
In the varitaion of PWI, TWs are on all servers, so 'PvP' is much more of a veiled-griefing aspect, and not truly a PvP aspect at all. Let's see over time though, agreed?

1) I highly doubt there are 50 million players, please send me actual mod comfirmation. I don't think you know how big of a number that is. Nor is this game a subscription. Nor would all 50 million be spending money on a game advertised as "free."

2) By the time that "over time" has elapsed, you and I will have quit to play something else. Face it, no game lasts forever, we know that.

And what do you mean by where the developers put their marketing? That makes no sense. All of the servers pretty much get the same updates, whether you like it or not. Sure, I'd love to have platinum charms out, because gold hps are too small, but we ALL have to wait.

Oishasan - Sanctuary wrote: »

20 years of MMOs don't lie, not one has made a pure PvP server that has paid the bills over their PvE counterparts. So this is not poetics, this is financial statements.

You have been playing MMOs for 20 years and studying their financial stability/gains.

Not much more needs to be said about how much of a **** you are. b:shutup

And yet again, you fail to bring up any evidence of these 20 years worth of useful "data." At least I have Deity's +10 GX to prove my point b:bye

If that's your meaning of marketing, what in the world does that have to do with PVP or PVE server incomes? You make no sense.

And please, stop posting then editing, because it's getting on my nerves having to find you type something new and stupid whenever I post my replies. I will refrain from double-posting from now on.

Oishasan, I think you're underestimating the PvP server and its profits. It may have less players than PvE, it may attract less new players than PvE, but it attracts the paying part of the game's audience. And that's because there's harsh competition here. You need dolls so you don't lose items or hard earned XP. You need XP scrolls so you can grind faster and not get killed a lot while you're at it. You need heirograms so you don't get one-shotted by people trying to take your levelling spot all the time. You need the best possible weapons and armour refined to +6 and above and you need G8 shards. You need teleacoustics to brag about who you've PK-ed and how much you've critted.

It's not that you can't play without these items. It's just that when you play with them, you're much more competitive and that makes it possible for you to gain even more levels and win even more battles. And on PvE, you'll never need to win more battles. You don't need to zhen, cause no one cares when you're going to level. So, you don't need the charms. You don't go around killing people or fighting them because they've done something to you so you don't need dolls either. You don't need teleacoustics cause there's nothing to brag about. You don't need the best possible equipment and shards because you don't give a damn that person X kills mobs 10% faster than you.

Basically, although people will use CS items on PvE, the need to do so is minimal and only a small part of the server will actually pay for this. And most people who can afford CS, will probably find the game more interesting on PvP.

Starang - Lost City wrote: »

Where the tea party atb:questionb:puzzled

Silvery Pool on Lost City.
Heard it's near Kun Kun.

Oishasan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Appreciate the response Dimiter,
in the same reasoning, most people who would choose to spend hard earned money, would not choose to lose them because of being 'ganked' by extremely high level players who are bored, or 'preventing' competition.
This is the normal cycle of PvP servers in MMOs.
Now, yes, there will be a few, very small portion of new players who would choose to go this route, but this is also the same player base FPS games aim for. So once the next hottest FPS game comes out, they are already gone.
MMOs don't do well with PvPers, it's just a fact. They do well early on, but do not make the money necessary for the company to keep the lights on. Some MMOs won't even make a PvP server because of this.

I do agree, PvP players would spend more money on dolls, but that's the only item. To be honest, it may not even be true. Reasons why.. PvE servers outnumber PvP, and will continue to do so incremently.
As time passes on a PvP server, less will join and more will come to PvE, especially in a game where Realm vs Realm exists on all servers.
Also, since items do not drop from death on PvE servers, more will be willing to buy items of permanent worth, where most avoid it on PvP (less you have the means of insuring them).
Fact is, most new players on PvP do not buy from the CS, they are 'testing' the waters. Usually if they stay with the game it's in favor of the PvE servers and THEN they buy from the CS.

Too many assumptions.
First of all, it feels like you're basing your "facts" on a small portion of the Lost City population. Just because you hear about lowbies whining all day about being killed (albeit, the OP isn't whining about that), it does not mean that that is all that happens in the daily events of LC. No, we don't wake up every morning and wonder which level 3x we should kill that day, nor do we make that part of our daily plans.

LC is a competitive server, by that I mean we all strive to be better than the rival guilds. We're not thinking of ways to make level 3x and 4x suffer. Perhaps you should come to our server with a level 1 cleric or w/e so you can fly around and watch our pvp wars.

We don't even need to spend that much money if killing low levels is all we plan to do. In fact, I could probably walk out naked with an NPC weapon and still be able to kill level 3x and 4x easily. But what fun is that?

Dolls aren't the only items we need.
As stated before, we burn hieros faster than you burn dolls.
There's many ways to save your hiero from ticking when you PvE, but ticking a hiero in PvP is almost inevitable (especially in a competitive PK War).
Sure, you might burn hieros in TW, but so do we. In other words, providing people who play here on LC enjoy competitive PvP (that's why we're here right?), we're using hieros twice as fast as people on PvE servers.

By the way, not everyone out there has the same mentality as you towards PvP also. You should not make assumptions that "less and less" people will come to the LC population just because you personally avoid competition. I won't speak for everyone else, but I enjoy competition. In fact, I love it. Its what brings out the most in you, and its what makes the game fun. For those who'd prefer not to wait once a week for TW just to do any pvping, the Lost City server provides exactly what I wanted.

I'll be watching for the next 4 months.
You better not be wrong, or else it'll be a lot of fun playing the "I-told-you-so" role. b:victory