Reputation Difficulties

ok quick question, are the stamps the same as the rep books set at lvls, if so out of boredom i did the the dq lotto and got 3 lvl 40+ books im holding on to as i didnt know what to do with.

i just found out last nite i got my first rank. 1 you cant get rid of it so it will just take up space, 2 im a light veno and it auto gives me arcane gear that is worse than what im running now.

how do i get rid of this stuff or can i just send to one of my old char i dont play

I doubt you'd be able to send it to another char, that would count as trading.
You can sell it for half the cost, to get rid of it, and that's about it really.

Rank Gear can be Sold to Vendors.. for 1/2 the cost of buying it.

@OP

If you were on Heaven's Tear I would run you through FB59 over and over. I've been feeding my genie and at the same time running the FB59 for Darkness Stamps and boss drops. I'm level 63 veno with a herc, doing the FB unwined takes me forever mind you but the drops and the much needed rep make up for the time I spend in there.

And I like the challenge...

Shyriena - Sanctuary wrote: »

However, as stated above, Each of the FB runs grant EXP along with the Reputation. So this will still unbalance you. Making you level up to way above 60 before you can even possibly get rank 4. Most likely you will be in your mid 70's or higher.

Shyriena of Sanctuary

I guess that's what the genies are for b:chuckle

i do believe 1 man armies are actually faster rep than fb's in general (especially unwined ones).

Paynefulsynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been feeding my genie and at the same time running the FB59 for Darkness Stamps

That is my thought for the best way to do it. Hit level 60 and farm FB59 until you are just a few rep shy of 200k (just shy enough that you will hit 200k right when you need to). You can fill up genie after genie while you get your rep. Depending on how long it takes you it is possible for you to be lucky enough to even get a genie with 60/60 lucky points. Using a veno you can even farm darkness stamps for your other characters until they have 200k as well. Sure your veno will be level 60 for a long time but you will have an awesome genie collection. b:pleased

Obviously this plan works better if your veno is not your main character since it may be hard to convince yourself to remain level 60 for that long if it is.

While I too like to dig in archives I don't understand why bring up this old thread?

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been doing FB59 unwined since my veno was 65 (when I got my herc). I stopped leveling at 67, first by suiciding to lose exp, then by dumping exp into genies. I'm at 4976 rep right now.

At 67, you average about 8-12 darkness stamps per run, clearing the minimum number of mobs needed to kill the bosses. Lowest was 3, most was 17. Each stamp is worth 8 rep, for an average of 64-96 rep. It takes about 3-4 hours solo, 2 hours with a partner. So you're looking at 25-30 rep an hour on average. That's a heckuva lot faster than anything else I've found. Maybe if you can manage to line up a dozen sequential tabbed FB29s you might do better. But that's pretty unlikely.

But even at that rate, getting to 200k rep would require 9.1 months of nonstop FB59 runs. That's 9 months of no sleeping, no eating, no nothing except FB59. Not going to happen.

I have to disagree with some of your logic here. Before bringing numbers into it, the bosses of each wing are some major time sinks with the time they take to kill. Additionally, in the wood, water, and fire wings if you kill the minimal mobs you end up only hitting the stuff that's the lowest drop rate for the most part (metal you miss half the high drops, earth you get most) I don't know how long it takes you to do each wing but lets look at water for a second (since I have fire/water memorized, and it has a very high rate of level 62's).

Without taking a higher level into consideration here's what you've got for the wing, plus the enterance mobs to reach the wing (not including gatekeeper or boss, neither have stamps on their table).

Mob				Amount	Level	Drop Rate	Average Drops
Undine Tide Mistress		14	61	16.49		2.31
Laqux, Oddfoot Lord		2	60	14.61		0.29
Sharpfang Oddfoot		10	61	17.02		1.7
Etherpod Tortise King		25	62	16.97		4.24
Antelope Sage			8	62	17.28		1.38
Pentox Longleg			2	59	14.61		0.29
Undine Keeper of Mysteries	1	60	15.85		0.16
Gauren Minion			1	59	14.61		0.15
Aerox Skyshroud			1	62	17.37		0.17
Hexocelot Warlock		1	61	17.35		0.17
Hexocelot Magus			2	60	15.91		0.32
Molten Firedrake		1	59	14.59		0.15

From the enterance and one wing that's an average of 11.34 stamps. Now, if you do it at 67, the drop rates will look like this:

Mob				Amount	Level	Drop Rate	Average Drops
Undine Tide Mistress		14	61	13.19		1.85
Laqux, Oddfoot Lord		2	60	11.68		0.23
Sharpfang Oddfoot		10	61	13.62		1.36
Etherpod Tortise King		25	62	13.58		3.39
Antelope Sage			8	62	13.82		1.11
Pentox Longleg			2	59	10.22		0.2
Undine Keeper of Mysteries	1	60	12.68		0.13
Gauren Minion			1	59	10.22		0.1
Aerox Skyshroud			1	62	13.9		0.14
Hexocelot Warlock		1	61	13.88		0.14
Hexocelot Magus			2	60	12.73		0.25
Molten Firedrake		1	59	10.21		0.1

That's an average of 9.01 stamps per run. A reduction from a full drop rate of 25.86%.

Now where it really gets fun, if you skip everything you can, in order to reach the boss, these numbers change. Using level 67 numbers, but reducing the encounters to only what you have to fight you get:

Mob				Amount	Level	Drop Rate	Average Drops
Undine Tide Mistress		5	61	13.19		0.66
Laqux, Oddfoot Lord		2	60	11.68		0.23
Sharpfang Oddfoot		3	61	13.62		0.41
Etherpod Tortise King		0	62	13.58		0
Antelope Sage			2	62	13.82		0.28
Pentox Longleg			2	59	10.22		0.2
Undine Keeper of Mysteries	1	60	12.68		0.13
Gauren Minion			1	59	10.22		0.1
Aerox Skyshroud			1	62	13.9		0.14
Hexocelot Warlock		1	61	13.88		0.14
Hexocelot Magus			2	60	12.73		0.25
Molten Firedrake		1	59	10.21		0.1

That's a reduction to 2.65 stamps.

Then on top of this, there's the boss kill. Qianji has 1324931 hp. A Sharpfang Oddfoot has 57771 hp and an Etherpod has 59284 hp. Not including the two Oddfoots you have to kill (well, 1 oddfoot and one Undine or Oddfoot) there's 8 more, which would be 462168 additional damage, and still enough extra damage left over to equal Qianji's hp for 14 Etherpods. If you concentrated on stamp drops rather than skipping things and going for the boss, in the same time you would gain an additional 2.99 stamps to have 5.64 stamps in the same amount of time. Then if you actually stayed in and cleared more of the wing your stamp drops would continue to improve although the time taken would also go up.

So, staying with the equal time idea, 23.92 rep vs 45.12 rep. That's a difference of 21.2 rep on average. I suppose one argument that could be made is that Qianji can sometimes drop a badge (1.89 average rep) which reduces it to a 19.31 rep difference. I don't know what dog tags sell for on your server but on mine they're about 60k (45k during events), so 19.31 rep is 231720 coin. Is your average haul from Qianji worth more than that? I doubt it is. So again I would point out, you're costing yourself quite a bit of rep by skipping as much as possible and going straight to the boss. Fire wing is even worse since all those birds you skip have pretty high drop rates, and are 63 so you get the .9 vs .8 drop rate on them.

i do believe 1 man armies are actually faster rep than fb's in general (especially unwined ones).

I kill about one thing every 30 seconds, factor in say 5 minutes of travel time between each army (2.5 min each way), and assume you have a full squad of 6. Lets say average kill times drop to one every 10 seconds. That's 40 kills in 400 seconds or 6 minutes 40 seconds. So with travel time that's 2 rep every 11 minutes 40 seconds. In an hour you get 5.14 armies for 10.28 rep per hour. If you can get an army that's closer to the quest giver this time will greatly improve.

While it's not a bad plan, I think you're looking at it wrong. Set up a regular group and do your level grinding that way. 67 is something like 897k I think (not sure where the chart is, and I only vaguely remember what it said is needed). A full squad would get what, around 125 exp per kill? Say you need to grind out 600k, that's 4800 kills, so 240 rep for leveling with some friends. FB's are comparable if you can get enough of them lined up, but that's not a guarantee, and the downtime traveling to FB's, lining people up, and so on will kill the rate you get compared to grinding.

I have two oppinions on this situation. First is that although rank armor is very nice, it's an uber amount of work and it's essentially bound you can't trade it. That's puts points in favor of TT or any other elite instance armor, because it's an equal amount of work but you can eventually trade it off, so it's equally beneficial. Second is that everybody needs exp, the point of the game is kinda to lvl and improve yourself as you go. There for you can't go wrong either way, whether it be FB's or one mans or what ever other way you may grind for rep. One thing you can do though is get a Justice quest that lines up with a one man, when it's all said and done for an average of killing 10-20 more mobs you can do two one mans and your JQ. That gives you the exp and 5 rep, and the drops make up for the coin that you have to put in for the JQ tab. So there's my oppions, if it really matters b:laugh