vit vs str vs dex for BM's

marisol
marisol Posts: 27 Arc User
edited January 2009 in Blademaster
Ok so there is a long standing war about what type of spit in attribute Bm's should have. To really break down this debate lets assume the BM is mainly an axe user. I see alot of BM's at higher lvl using multipule weapons so we can assume that our project BM has the ability to use other weapons-
So i made characters using ecatombs- all lvl 90 good gear mostly HH- all the same and here are the results- keep in mind none of the gear has stones or +'s on them but we will assume all versions have the ability to use the same amount of money on stone and refining.

1ST BUILD - ALL EXTRA POINTS INTO-DEX
HP-4474
Physical Atk 2546-4729
Critical Rate 14%
Accuracy Rate 2886
Dodge Rate 2440
Physical Def 6597
Magical Def
Metal Res 2663
Wood Res 2663
Water Res 2663
Fire Res 2663
Earth Res 2663
2ND BUILD ALL EXTRA POINTS INTO CON
HP-6837
Physical Atk 2546-4729
Critical Rate 6%
Accuracy Rate 936
Dodge Rate 940
Physical Def 7453
Magical Def
Metal Res 3123
Wood Res 3123
Water Res 3123
Fire Res 3123
Earth Res 3123
3RD BUILD ALL EXTRA POINTS INTO STR
HP 4474
Physical Atk 3451-6410
Critical Rate 6%
Accuracy Rate 936
Dodge Rate 940
Physical Def 7452
Magical Def
Metal Res 2663
Wood Res 2663
Water Res 2663
Fire Res 2663
Earth Res 2663

4TH BUILD EXTRA POINTS SPLIT BETWEEN DEX AND CON
HP-5262
Atk 2546-4729
Critical Rate 11%
Accuracy Rate 2236
Dodge Rate 1940
Physical Def 6882
Magical Def
Metal Res 2816
Wood Res 2816
Water Res 2816
Fire Res 2816
Earth Res 2816

conclusion-
DEX build -lowest hp ( losing from 500-2400 from other types of builds.)
Lowest def also (losing roughly 300-900 phy def and 200-400 magic def)
Highest crit rate (gaining from 3-8% over other builds)
Highest accuracy ( gaining from 600-1800 over other builds)
Highest dodge- (gaining from 500-1500 dodge)
Average attack

3 highs 2 lows not bad too bad both lows effect surviving

CON build- Highest HP (gaining 500-2400 from other builds)
Highest Def-(gaining roughly 300-900 phy def and 200-400 magic def)
Lowest crit rate, accuracy, dodge
Average atk

TANK BUILD NOTHING ELSE if you gonna use the build IMO reroll a Barb
Surviving is great but damage hit and dodge are effected greatly

STR build-Lowest HP (losing 500-2400 from other builds)
Higest atk- (gaining 1000-1700 in atk )
lowest crit rate, dodge and accuracy
High phy def by 300-900 avg magic def
avg attack

This actually suprised me Way more damage and some improvement in def
(phy). Still lacking in dodge, crit %, accuracy, and HP. Wish you could
get solid numbes to compare crit rate and damage, but as a guess i
say this build would put out more damage WHEN they hit.
Combo build- Compared to dex build
more hp- 800
more def by 200 in phy and magic
crit rate lower by 3%
Accuracy and dodge lower by 500
Compared to con-
less hp by 1600
les def by 600phy- 300mag
more crit by 5%
more accuracy by 1300
more dodge by 1000
Compared to str
more hp -800
less phy def by 600
more mag def- 200
more crit by 5%
more accuracy by 1300 dodge by 1000
less damage by 900-2700)

I see all the people at 70+ at really low con and high dex and talked to alot of people that at 90 plan on pulling con down to 3. As you can see from example a well geared 90 can have base con and get it to 50-60 easy. However I dont see the dex having that huge of an advantage. To me the combo is the best build. Myself personally will tweak the combo build a little instead of the 50/50 split in the example above.

Id like to hear others thoughs on this. Dont know how many people actually have messed with the numbers like this.
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Comments

  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Making this calculations is kind of useless.

    What will define your final build is the amount of money you have. Refining equipment and shards affect all the builds, a lot.

    You can get 10k+ HP with low base VIT, giving you the chance to get a high critical hit and high accuracy/dodge from DEX. STR is not that important, since refining your weapon to high numbers will give you a way better result than adding STR without DEX.

    What will your refinement be, +5 or +7, higher? Flawless, Immaculate or Perfect Shards?

    Is your weapon Axe or Spear? Are you rich enough to get HH90 Gold weapon for Berserker?

    Also, what your playing style is? What kind of accesories you focus on? +30% Evasion? +50% Accuracy? +3% Critical? +5% HP?

    Refining accesories will give a different result too.

    So, in theory, this builds can give you an slightly general idea, but they are different in reality.
  • gatts87
    gatts87 Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    so full dex with good gear is the way to go?
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    gatts87 wrote: »
    so full dex with good gear is the way to go?

    Depends on your playing style, money and weapon.
  • gatts87
    gatts87 Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Lets say poleaxe with lots of money.
  • marisol
    marisol Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Making this calculations is kind of useless.

    What will define your final build is the amount of money you have. Refining equipment and shards affect all the builds, a lot.


    I agree equipment is the most important part of makeing your build however this was not about comparing to different players with diferent amounts of money. It is about before I upgrade MY(whoever is reading this post) equipment what are my base stats and what gets me where i want to be. "I want this type of BM how do i get there? " is the main reasoning of this post.

    I mean a bm could have a horible build but be a CS nut and have a awesome BM. This is for people who want more info about what there BM will be at 90 and if everyone had the same equips what build is better. To honestly answer that question THERE IS NOT A BETTER BUILD but more a question which build fits my style and what I wanna do.
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    gatts87 wrote: »
    Lets say poleaxe with lots of money.

    Axe/Hammer path?

    Once more, depends on your playing style. And with lots of money you won't be using Poleaxe, the best weapons on the Axe/Hammer path are Dual Axes.
    marisol wrote: »
    I agree equipment is the most important part of makeing your build however this was not about comparing to different players with diferent amounts of money. It is about before I upgrade MY(whoever is reading this post) equipment what are my base stats and what gets me where i want to be. "I want this type of BM how do i get there? " is the main reasoning of this post.

    I mean a bm could have a horible build but be a CS nut and have a awesome BM. This is for people who want more info about what there BM will be at 90 and if everyone had the same equips what build is better. To honestly answer that question THERE IS NOT A BETTER BUILD but more a question which build fits my style and what I wanna do.

    Equipment will define your base stats, specially for a build at level 90.

    You have LY ring? Then you won't need as much DEX to hit players.
    You have high refinement and +HP/VIT equipment? The more you have, the less VIT you will need.
    You have Berserker? Less STR to add.
    Are you able to get GX for level 90? Then add more STR.
    Or are you going to stay with XS? Then you can stay with HA STR requirement and have a lot of free stat points to use, as same as Spear.
    You want to use Spear because it suits you more? Then you have more points to play with.
    Heaven or Hell?
    What kind of accesories will you use? You might add more DEX or more VIT to get the best out of them.
    Are you stacking critical? Then you might want to stay with that instead of adding DEX.
    The bonus from your equipment gives you +16 DEX? Then add 4 more base DEX to get the extra critical %.
    What kind of player are you?
    What players you want to beat?
    Are you built for TW?


    Your base stats change a lot depending on the equipment you have. It's a long way up to level 90, and when someone reaches that level, they will be experienced enough to know how to build their character and what their base stats will be.

    The best way to do it is leveling up, fighting against other classes, going to TW and see your performance on each area according to what attribute are you focusing more.

    You will find your answer then.
  • gatts87
    gatts87 Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    What makes dual axes the best path for axe build? What is the max crit/other stats you can have or are there no limits to what you can have?
  • ElMieda - Heavens Tear
    ElMieda - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    gatts87 wrote: »
    What makes dual axes the best path for axe build?

    High **** damage.