Heavy WF PvE Capabilities?

serakano
serakano Posts: 13 Arc User
edited December 2008 in Venomancer
I was considering creating a heavy armor WF that will be using fox form primarily, but I've read a few posts saying that it is completely gimped for PvE. Solo PvE is all I really do in these games, and I see that the mage-type build is indeed superior for that, but is the foxform gimped overall or just in comparison to the mage build?
I've kicked around on a polearm WR, but I'm not sure if it is really to my liking, the armor bonus from the WF and the faster attack speed are certainly attractive.
I also played a MG for a while, and while PvE was alright on it, I hated the fact that I would crumple if there was an aggro spawn close to me, and the fact that if I slipped up just a little, I was completely screwed over.

tl;dr - So in regards to WR and MG, for solo PvE, where does the heavy armor foxform WF fall?
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  • Just_cool - Lost City
    Just_cool - Lost City Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    lack of AOE skills, and quite slow casting skills in fox form
    u can't compare the phy attack with a WRs one, but + pet u should do the same
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  • Danni - Heavens Tear
    Danni - Heavens Tear Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    PvE is decent, I haven't really done much research since I already knew I wouldn't want magic. You'll lack melee damage for a while until you get melee mastery up to a decent level but once you get there you'll be decent, another agro spawning won't be any trouble especially not with leech.

    And to elaborate on what was said earlier, malefic crush is the only aoe available in fox form. Though it may just be my opinion but venos do not have great AoEs any way you look at it. Kind of going back to the whole "jack of all trades, master of nothing" idea.
  • serakano
    serakano Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Any recommendations on a pet?

    I've done some reading on them, and the golem is the best physical tank, but I'm thinking it might not be the best idea to use and should instead use something to make up for my weaknesses rather than compliment my strengths.

    Thus, I was looking at:

    * A magic tank - Carapest Terror namely, looked at the Frog, decided I like the Carapest Terror better.

    * A damage dealer - Kind of at a loss on this one. Most of the sites I've looked at don't have any sort of attack values listed or anything, and most people are not really interested in their pets as damage dealers.
    Assuming that I can tank moderately well, which pet has a nice damage output?

    * Something that stays out of my way - Another reason for disliking the golem, it's just so... big. This game really has a poorly designed pet AI, when the pet is in the idle state, it seems to default to the cell that the player is standing on, rather than the player's cell -5 or something.
  • senovit
    senovit Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    The only way you'll be gimped for PvE is pet healing. You're not going to be able to solo tt bosses for instance. Normal mob grinding should be fine.
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  • serakano
    serakano Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Just found this, quite useful:

    http://perfectworld.clanfree.net/compapet.htm
  • Mua - Lost City
    Mua - Lost City Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    serakano wrote: »
    Just found this, quite useful:

    http://perfectworld.clanfree.net/compapet.htm

    http://www.ecatomb.net/petstat.php

    Superior b:victory
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  • serakano
    serakano Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Thank you ^^
  • serakano
    serakano Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    So I kind of need to increase the number of pets I can carry, I spoke with the lady, and she said I could either bring what I assumed to be a cash shop item or something else. What is this something else?
  • l4me
    l4me Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    those something else is:
    -hay for the first update
    -fruit for second update
    -fungus for third update

    after that you need cash shop

    hay is quite easy to get when you are 20++
    tho basically you can kill lv 5-8 turtle to get it the chance are very slim(only 5%)
    once you are lv 20++ you can kill the rhino megalith? just near the south archo(the chance are Approximately 15%)

    but the second and third update i heard is quite expensive and it is better to buy the pet slot from the cash shop
  • Danni - Heavens Tear
    Danni - Heavens Tear Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    The second one (fruit) is cheaper if you can manage to find fruit for 3k a piece or go out and kill for at least some of them.

    Much higher and it depends on the price of gold at auction or from other players but for now just to give you an idea I'll say gold costs 100k a piece. With gold at that price a cage would cost 200k plus the additional fee. You need 50 fruit, so with gold at 100k, getting fruit at 4k a piece you will more or less get the same price. While it is pretty rare to find fruit for cheap what with people trying to squeeze impossible amounts of money out of everything it is possible to get a good deal.

    For the fungus one I can say for sure it'll be cheaper just to buy a cage unless you can find some fungus for very cheap (if you even find any at all for sale) or kill for a very large amount of what you need.

    Also for pets my recommendations are the following:
    There are still cases where you'll want a tank that isn't you

    -Crystalline Magmite (the best physical tank pet in the game) or if you don't want the magmite which seems to be the case
    -Overclocked Mechcrab or however it is (not quite as good, but faster and smaller)
    -Bear cub (small, pretty fast, excellent all around tank, hits faster than normal pets, and it gets a stun skill for free)

    And for damage though I haven't had any problems in this area so I didn't go too far out of my way

    -Petite Sawfly(excellent pk pet I hear, can't guarantee that but it does move fast and hits pretty hard, and there are times that you'll really want an air pet especially if you're on your own)

    note:air pets damage is cut slightly against ground and water, some say it's halved but I highly doubt that, I would guess from firsthand experience the cut is more like 1/10th
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    In your late 60s and early 70s, if you finish out your levels grinding rather than doing fb or just dailies, you'll have more fungus than you know what to do with.
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  • HgS - Sanctuary
    HgS - Sanctuary Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I am OP btw, dunno why this forum is like this with avatars. >>

    I decided to switch servers, so I restarted as a Light armor caster build, and it's like someone suddenly pressed the "Easy" button.
    I plan on taking some of the werefox skills after I get my main grinding skills for the caster down, so I can have a bit more flexibility in what I do. I've seen too many WF's lose duels because they tried to cast with the Golem pet out. :(

    I do like the Golem pet for the caster, but it's a bit... slow... I sometimes fear the monster is going to come tear me apart before the damn thing even reacts.

    My main point of posting this is though, I had a question about calculating my stats.

    Should I include bonuses from gear into my stats whenever I am calculating them? I've refrained from doing that during these early levels when my gear is not constant, but there's going to come a point where I'm going to be using a small pool of gear I'm guessing.

    So if I reach level 20 and for my stats I have
    str - 23
    agi - 22 + 1 from a gear

    and I ideally wanted both of them to be 24 for the purpose of wearing light armor, do I want to have 24+1 agi or 23+1 agi?

    (I don't really know much of the advanced gears, so I don't know what bonuses they give, so if I do need to take gear into account, pointers to some good gear to have in mind would be much appreciated.)

    Thank you.
  • Mua - Lost City
    Mua - Lost City Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    My Phoenix's normal attack does about half my usual casting damage. But after trying to figure out why Spinewraiths died faster against a solo Phoenix than me solo, I realised that because it's attack rate is so fast, the silly birdie outdamages me. b:shocked

    If not for the fact that I need high m-attack to heal my Hercules, I'd probably already be in heavy armour. b:surrender
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  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I am OP btw, dunno why this forum is like this with avatars. >>

    I decided to switch servers, so I restarted as a Light armor caster build, and it's like someone suddenly pressed the "Easy" button.
    I plan on taking some of the werefox skills after I get my main grinding skills for the caster down, so I can have a bit more flexibility in what I do. I've seen too many WF's lose duels because they tried to cast with the Golem pet out. :(

    I do like the Golem pet for the caster, but it's a bit... slow... I sometimes fear the monster is going to come tear me apart before the damn thing even reacts.

    My main point of posting this is though, I had a question about calculating my stats.

    Should I include bonuses from gear into my stats whenever I am calculating them? I've refrained from doing that during these early levels when my gear is not constant, but there's going to come a point where I'm going to be using a small pool of gear I'm guessing.

    So if I reach level 20 and for my stats I have
    str - 23
    agi - 22 + 1 from a gear

    and I ideally wanted both of them to be 24 for the purpose of wearing light armor, do I want to have 24+1 agi or 23+1 agi?

    (I don't really know much of the advanced gears, so I don't know what bonuses they give, so if I do need to take gear into account, pointers to some good gear to have in mind would be much appreciated.)

    Thank you.



    You want to usually calculate your stats from your base, not the bonuses you get from armor. Otherwise, you have to be really aware of everything you're wearing when you go to replace it. You don't want to end up switching out some piece of armor and then have another one be impossible to use by not reaching the requirements.

    Once you get to higher levels maybe it won't be as much of a problem. I'm 77, with 81 base strength, but I think its about 88 (not at a computer I can get ingame on) with all my equips. I could probably go a couple levels now without putting any points into str, but its probably not worth the hassle if I need to replace a few items at once later.
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  • HgS - Sanctuary
    HgS - Sanctuary Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Aight, thanks, wanted to clear that up. Game I played before this, it was a necessity to calculate gear bonuses.
  • HgS - Sanctuary
    HgS - Sanctuary Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I figured I'd keep posting in this thread if I had questions rather than clutter up the forum,

    I've noticed that certain 'rare' pets seem to be in amazing demand. These being things like the snow hare, the pig, the kitten, the frog, and the small bear.
    However, I haven't seen anyone recommending people actually use these except the frog as a possible magic tank and the bear for its useful default skill set.

    Are these just novelty pets or would they indeed be more useful than the golem I am currently using?

    Just noticed everyone seems to want these...

    Also, does swimming mastery actually do anything? I noted that it seemed to in a few guides that I read, however in-game, the skill has everything listed as N/A.
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I figured I'd keep posting in this thread if I had questions rather than clutter up the forum,

    I've noticed that certain 'rare' pets seem to be in amazing demand. These being things like the snow hare, the pig, the kitten, the frog, and the small bear.
    However, I haven't seen anyone recommending people actually use these except the frog as a possible magic tank and the bear for its useful default skill set.

    Are these just novelty pets or would they indeed be more useful than the golem I am currently using?

    Just noticed everyone seems to want these...

    Also, does swimming mastery actually do anything? I noted that it seemed to in a few guides that I read, however in-game, the skill has everything listed as N/A.


    Most of the rare pets are cute and cuddly, and thats why people want them. Also because you can turn them into all-class pets that anyone can use and sell for a decent amount of money.
    The flying pig is actually a decent air tank, but you really don't need that very often. A bee does a fine job 1v1 on mobs near its level.
    I think swimming mastery does something...not really sure. Its not a lot of SP and you never have to worry about it after its level 1, so might as well put a point in it.
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  • Danni - Heavens Tear
    Danni - Heavens Tear Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I think swimming mastery does something...not really sure. Its not a lot of SP and you never have to worry about it after its level 1, so might as well put a point in it.

    Not anymore, at least not for venos, I took a look at the one my veno has it now says N/A or no effect or something to that extent. On my barb though it still has the description and it feels like I'm swimming pretty fast.
    In your late 60s and early 70s, if you finish out your levels grinding rather than doing fb or just dailies, you'll have more fungus than you know what to do with.


    Also a bit of a question here, I figure it fits since it ties into one of the questions the poster later asked. Where at? So far I haven't gotten any, though what I was doing wasn't exactly grinding.
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Also a bit of a question here, I figure it fits since it ties into one of the questions the poster later asked. Where at? So far I haven't gotten any, though I wasn't exactly grinding I was doing.



    Ok, I never really looked into the swimming mastery at all, so I'll take your word for it.

    As far as getting fungus, try the falcoms in the air NE of the village of lost (not the starter town). Level 72 flying monsters. Kill those for a while and you'll get your fungus. Or if you have a mage friend who likes to grind on dragonmaids (hard for veno unless you have a water pet), they drop a lot as well.
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  • Kaelis - Heavens Tear
    Kaelis - Heavens Tear Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I am OP btw, dunno why this forum is like this with avatars. >>

    I decided to switch servers, so I restarted as a Light armor caster build, and it's like someone suddenly pressed the "Easy" button.
    I plan on taking some of the werefox skills after I get my main grinding skills for the caster down, so I can have a bit more flexibility in what I do. I've seen too many WF's lose duels because they tried to cast with the Golem pet out. :(

    I do like the Golem pet for the caster, but it's a bit... slow... I sometimes fear the monster is going to come tear me apart before the damn thing even reacts.

    My main point of posting this is though, I had a question about calculating my stats.

    Should I include bonuses from gear into my stats whenever I am calculating them? I've refrained from doing that during these early levels when my gear is not constant, but there's going to come a point where I'm going to be using a small pool of gear I'm guessing.

    So if I reach level 20 and for my stats I have
    str - 23
    agi - 22 + 1 from a gear

    and I ideally wanted both of them to be 24 for the purpose of wearing light armor, do I want to have 24+1 agi or 23+1 agi?

    (I don't really know much of the advanced gears, so I don't know what bonuses they give, so if I do need to take gear into account, pointers to some good gear to have in mind would be much appreciated.)

    Thank you.

    build sounds fine just don't add vit or can just reset it later

    Don't understand what do you mean they lose because they cast while golem is out? golem won't stop them being able to attack in any way

    jump or run little circles (careful of pulling more mobs) if you need time for golem to pull a mob of you
  • HgS - Sanctuary
    HgS - Sanctuary Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I meant they lose duels because they're trying to use a pet that is slow and land-based, and also because most continue casting when something gets in their face.

    And the part where I said that I was afraid something was going to get to me before it reacts was mostly just an exaggeration. I know it's not going to get past the golem, but it's still really slow. xD
  • Kaelis - Heavens Tear
    Kaelis - Heavens Tear Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    well if they are running from your pet then the pet is doing its job you just kill them while they are trying to kite it and as for something getting in their face, thats what hood is for use that and they'll soon run the other way b:chuckle