So many pets to choose from! Help!

Samatia - Heavens Tear
Samatia - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
edited December 2008 in Venomancer
There are soooo many tamable pets! I mean there are so many of one type! Should one replace their high level wolf if favor or getting a new wolf and get it to the previous wolf's level. If you keep doing that it seems kinda costly with all the food our going to have to buy to get the loyalty up.

So far I just have my wolfy buy I'd like to plan for the future.

Will I have to put him down to get a new one anytime soon? =(
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  • HaTorah - Heavens Tear
    HaTorah - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    The lower the level of the pet when you tame it the better. "Pets are a lot like pokemon." The lower the level of the pet, the stronger it gets at higher levels.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Miisakya - Lost City
    Miisakya - Lost City Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    HaTorah is right when she said that raising lower lvl pets up are stronger. A couple pets that you should look into getting and keeping lvled are a Magmite and a sawfly. The magmites are good tanks for FB's and the like, and the sawfly is a flying pet, which is good for pvp and air mobs. At a higher lvls you might come across a pet that you like that has better stats, but it's a good idea just to lvl the starting pets until then. ^^ I hope I helped <3
  • Samatia - Heavens Tear
    Samatia - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Oh thanks so much to both of you! Now knowing that it's like pokemon puts me at great ease! Thanks you so so much!
  • graider
    graider Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Once you hit around level 30, if you can't afford to get a frog, get an antelope pup near heaven's tear.

    It has great magic resist, and it can heal itself.
    If the best defense is a good offense, why did I even show up?

    If a train is going east at 50 mph and another train is going west at 90 mph, where do they...Never gonna give you up~ Never gonna let you down~Never gonna run around~and hurt you~

    If you've got this far, you've been rick-rolled.
  • Samatia - Heavens Tear
    Samatia - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Um another question. If you tame a pet with increased attack or defense does that stay after I capture it?

    Oh almost forgot. Where do I get hay and when do my pet slots increase?
  • Kittychan - Heavens Tear
    Kittychan - Heavens Tear Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Um another question. If you tame a pet with increased attack or defense does that stay after I capture it?

    Oh almost forgot. Where do I get hay and when do my pet slots increase?

    No, special effects like Sacrificial Assault, or Increased Magic Resistance don't stay on a pet after you tame it.

    Hay is a rare drop from certain mobs. Mobs that drop it most often include the lvl 22 rhinodrakes outside west arch, and lvl 30 antelope pups.

    You can get more pet slots by either accepting the quest from the Pet Tamer to get a certain number of materials (like 20 hay to increase your # of slots to 3, to increase it to 5, I think you needed like 50 fungus?) which are rare and only drop from certain mobs. Or you can buy a pet cage from the cash shop or from other players (costs around 200k) which expands your pet bag by 1 slot. I think there's a super pet cage that increases it to the max capacity (10) but obviously costs a lot more.
  • Leolf - Heavens Tear
    Leolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    If having pets from low levels makes them strong, does that mean my Jaden Qingfu will be one of the strongest pets at full loyalty? :p
  • HaTorah - Heavens Tear
    HaTorah - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    If having pets from low levels makes them strong, does that mean my Jaden Qingfu will be one of the strongest pets at full loyalty? :p

    Technically speaking, yes. However, its stats only correspond to other enemies like it. Now if you are looking for something with high damage, get a level 2 scorpion. Scorpions have some of the highest damage. Compared to other scorpions, the level 2 has the highest attack over all others. If you want high defense, get a level 17-18 magmite. etc. etc.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Leolf - Heavens Tear
    Leolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Alright, thankyou! Perhaps I'll get another scorpion. (I dropped mine's egg after I got a new pet, I think :/ )
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Although magmites are very popular, I have been training the level 1 quingfu and level 2 beetles from our various lands.
    (All pets leveled to 21 so far)
    The quingfu grows in size and heals itself,
    the level 2 beetle stays small (which is a nice benefit), and has toughness.

    Both are far superior in defenses to the golems, (magical is around the same as physical, which both are greater than the golems)
    Still testing their damage, accuracy, and evade. They are relatively close, but are starting to distinguish who is who as they grow.
    They are having no problem holding aggro if I allow them to grab it.

    The level 2 newbie scorpian is also a great pet, as is the wolf. Not so much tanks, but great all around pets. Wolf evades a ton, scorpian has nice mag def. Both are heavy dps.

    The lowest level kitten is suprisingly a very good pet in both defenses (phys/mag) and offenses. It's speed it nice too.

    Going to be testing a low level rhino soon, to see how he does. And I haven't had time/space to try the sawfly yet, or the undines, tauren, etc..but have them in the waiting room.
    Trying to avoid testing anything tamed past level 5-7, preferring to stick to level 1 and 2, seems so far an advantage. But time will tell.
    Oishasan
    Light Armor build, Support Cleric

    Kenmei
    Barbarian, feral build

    amale
    Arcane Veno
    Beetle Wrangler
  • Leolf - Heavens Tear
    Leolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Good to know! I can't wait to be a high level, pwning stuff with my Jaden Qingfu b:laugh
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    just updating,

    I realized my initial plan of giving a tauntable pet skill like 'bash' to my bugs was a cool option (and still is), but at the cost of 300k-750k per skill, ouch..

    So went out wandering again, and had a thought, my little blue beetle had a cousin named king of each species, level 3.
    and guess what, he has toughness and bash.
    So tamed him, and he is even better than the other 2, at level 20, he has the same defenses, but more attack, damage and evade, and a higher regen.
    Go figure, only sad part is he doen't stay small, he gets as big as a house.

    While in the same area, I ran across a level 4 (maybe 5) turtle, and said, what the heck. leveled him up as well, at 21 he is one sick puppy, well worth keeping up to level for water events, if we ever come across one.

    just my 2 cents, but having fun.
    Oishasan
    Light Armor build, Support Cleric

    Kenmei
    Barbarian, feral build

    amale
    Arcane Veno
    Beetle Wrangler
  • Leolf - Heavens Tear
    Leolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    lol sweet. I just got the other two Qingfus XD Leveling them, I'll try beetles when I get more space. Also, I had no diea pets got bigger! Good to know.
  • bobbeh
    bobbeh Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Good to know! I can't wait to be a high level, pwning stuff with my Jaden Qingfu b:laugh

    The thing is, you won't.

    There are reasons why magmites are the most commonly used pet in the game.
  • haku
    haku Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Actually, the lowest level-pets in the game aren't the ones with the best stats in the game. The lowest-level pet of its particular group are the ones that will have the best stats of that group. For example, the lowest-level antelope is the lvl 30 Antelope Pup. That means it will have the best stats out of all the other antelopes. The lowest-level bee is the lvl 8 Petite Sawfly, it will have the best stats out of all the bees. Pets from other groups that are caught at lower levels do not necessarily have better stats than the antelope pup, and pets from other groups that are caught at higher levels do not necessarily have worse stats. Each pet group grows differently. At lvl 90, the sawfly will have much higher attack than the antelope pup, but the antelope pup will have much better physical and magical defense.

    For a comparison of stats:
    http://www.ecatomb.net/petstat.php

    The reason why the Qingfu is not as popular as the magmite is because it has a very low attack and it does not come with aggro skills, which means it is much easier for the Qingfu to loose aggro than the magmite, which makes it a less desirable pet for venos, particularly mage-types because they're squishy and depend on their pets to tank for them.
  • sarrafeline
    sarrafeline Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Don't forget to upgrade the attacks and other skills at levels 20, 40, 60, etc. My Shaodu cub wasn't doing any damage at level 50, until I upgraded him to level 3 attacks. :) Expensive, yes, but hey, it was worth it.
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    buying skills that dont exist is going to be pricey, but thats why i went with the king beetle, he has bash and toughness.
    Hasn't lost aggro once yet, and I keep him plenty busy.

    turtle same boat, he soloed the epic encounter, 3 levels lower than the mob.
    Says alot for bringing up pets from the lowest level you can (my turtle started at 4 or 5)

    Don't listen to the haters, your Quinfu is going to be expensive to give a taunt to (300-750k), but if you want it, she's going to be incredibly tough.
    I'm keeping mine, and my mini-me beetle just in case.

    If you check the 'pet' sites listed in these forums, Quinfu is the number one pet in stats from their listing if given the room to grow. but you'll have to teach her skills.

    Main thing people are forgetting, is that the beetles magic resist is almost equal to their physical, and both are still greater than the golems. And king beetle's attack/damage isnt far from golem, and evade is greater. his hp is greater as well.

    personally I wish the mini-me beetle had bash, i think his stats would be even greater then the king's, and he doesn't grow in size.
    Oishasan
    Light Armor build, Support Cleric

    Kenmei
    Barbarian, feral build

    amale
    Arcane Veno
    Beetle Wrangler
  • Leolf - Heavens Tear
    Leolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Yeah. Even if they do suck, they're our characters, and we have the right to the pets we like. i've found that if I focus on being the best and having the best, caring about nothing but leveling, my gaming life is quite miserable. Hey, is your Veno on heaven's tear? If so, we should duel our bugs some time ^^
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Just my research, take it or leave it as you want, but here's some of the general "categories" Veno's want pets for & which pets they tend to grab to fill those roles. In the cases of rares i'll try to list upgradeable choices so i'll post something for the most broke Veno to the one's most overflowing wish cash / camping time.

    Physical Tank: Magmite (typical mob) > Shoadu Cub (Rare, good mag def too) > Hercules (Legendary, if you're over flowing with cash)

    Magical Tank: Antelope (typical mob) > Snow Hare (yes its a rare, but only a 1 hour rare, most can tame it & if you buy they're cheap) > Frogling (Rare)

    PvP/Attack ground Pet: Scorpion (typical-starter pet) OR Wolf (typical-starter pet) > Kowlin (Rare)

    Air Pet: Petite Sawfly (typical, better attack) OR Foxwing (typical, better defense) > ~maybe~ Flying Piggy (Rare, slow attack but good tank) > Pheonix (Legendary, if you're over flowing with cash)

    Water Pet: Best advise is to grab whatever when you get the quests & toss em, until Celestial Plumpfish at 80

    Ranged: I havent researched this category so someone else can add to it. But most who like to have a ranged pet that i've spoken to use an Eldergoth Marksman.
  • bobbeh
    bobbeh Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    buying skills that dont exist is going to be pricey, but thats why i went with the king beetle, he has bash and toughness.
    Hasn't lost aggro once yet, and I keep him plenty busy.
    Sorry but you haven't even hit the mid-levels yet. Losing aggro is easy even with the light-armor build + magmite.
    If you check the 'pet' sites listed in these forums, Quinfu is the number one pet in stats from their listing if given the room to grow. but you'll have to teach her skills.
    No. Even at lvl 90 its attack is inferior to magmites. It will not hold aggro. It will not be a good physical tank and its semi-decent magic defense will not make a difference in regular grinding.

    You're also trying to persuade peopple to spend 300k on BASH, a skill thats native to the magmites. The level 18 magmite (which is already superior to the Qingfu by default) comes with 2 useful skills FOR free.

    The only thing that the Qingfu has on the magmites is the smaller size, and that it's less of a cookie cutter. Thats it.
    Yeah. Even if they do suck, they're our characters, and we have the right to the pets we like. i've found that if I focus on being the best and having the best, caring about nothing but leveling, my gaming life is quite miserable.
    But at the same time you're misdirecting people. What if people just levelled their Qingfu to lvl 50+ realising that they aren't the WTFPWN alternative magmite? It's all about helping people to make informed decisions.
    Just my research, take it or leave it as you want, but here's some of the general "categories" Veno's want pets for & which pets they tend to grab to fill those roles. In the cases of rares i'll try to list upgradeable choices so i'll post something for the most broke Veno to the one's most overflowing wish cash / camping time.

    Physical Tank: Magmite (typical mob) > Shoadu Cub (Rare, good mag def too) > Hercules (Legendary, if you're over flowing with cash)

    Magical Tank: Antelope (typical mob) > Snow Hare (yes its a rare, but only a 1 hour rare, most can tame it & if you buy they're cheap) > Frogling (Rare)

    PvP/Attack ground Pet: Scorpion (typical-starter pet) OR Wolf (typical-starter pet) > Kowlin (R

    I'd take off shadou cub from the physical tank category. It doesn't really belong there.

    Magic tanks it should be separated into tiers. Shadou cub, frogling and carapest terror are all in tier 1 and should be pretty equal for magic tanking purposes. Antelope pup and oddfoot pup are in tier 2. The snow hare's just for show.
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    wait..
    let's set the record straight..
    I have in no way said someone should spend the cash to give their pet skills it doesn't have.
    All I have said, is there is an option too. And in some cases it is worthy, going to test it myself one day with mini-me beetle.

    Cash really isn't a problem if you just vendor all those dragon quest items, get 100s of them when leveling pets up.

    But atm, I use the king level 3 beetle, which has bash and toughness, and better stats with a slightly lesser attack/damage than the scorpian we get from trainer. With bash upgrades I am certain he will not have a problem in the 80s+. I highly doubt the Magmite has the same attack/damage the
    scorpian has. Add to that, are bash upgrades needed for the scorpian at 80+, if not, then maybe king beetle won't need them, but I'll take his to 5 just to do it...fear mah bug!

    As of now, he is woupin butt, and magmites lose the KS-game to him consistantly. (sad there is so much of a KS-game around, but yeah he is winning it)

    And if aggro is a problem, I have more wizards trying to take my bug's kills than anyone, because he doesn't lose aggro, this is around level 30ish+ mobs, and he's 28.

    Sorry, ranting, but why not stay positive and be happy when someone finds and shares a new and different pet, instead of attacking saying it's wrong, when clearly it isn't.

    Oh, the size of the Quinfu (level 1) and King beetle (level 3) GROW, and become very LARGE, not as tall as magmites, but they get in the way regardless. Mini-me beetle (level 2) doesn't grow, has better stats than both, but doesn't have bash, just toughness, something else to ponder.
    Oishasan
    Light Armor build, Support Cleric

    Kenmei
    Barbarian, feral build

    amale
    Arcane Veno
    Beetle Wrangler
  • kyrv
    kyrv Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Hi - I only have two spots now, and assume at 17-18 I'll need a magma (14 now).

    I have a snaggletooth kitten egg, and am wondering about its performance versus the base wolf I have been using?

    Wolf so far keeps aggro great, though it does not have bash. In the long run, would kitten maybe be better for soloing, less dps maybe but better aggro management and a little higher defense?

    Thanks. Love the pet system so far. =)
  • Oishasan - Sanctuary
    Oishasan - Sanctuary Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I would stick it out with the wolfling at least til 25, I loved mine on Lost City before startin anew with a scorpian pet (both are great)

    If you camp the turtles near Broken Village, you can get your hay for a 3rd slot
    (it takes forever, but on th bright side rhino horns sell 800 each and you'll prolly have 100 of them and 100+ bhudda hands, so it's not a bad camp)

    As far as tanks, a great majority claim the magmite is the end all be all for tanks.
    Though, I can't say yet if they are accurate, beta testers differ, and I dont see many level 105 venos running around yet.
    Oishasan
    Light Armor build, Support Cleric

    Kenmei
    Barbarian, feral build

    amale
    Arcane Veno
    Beetle Wrangler
  • haku
    haku Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    not hating on or attacking the beetles, just pointing out that just because it can be caught @ lvl 1 does not mean it will pwn all the pets that u catch later on. If we're trying to urge you to get the best and only the best, we'd be telling you to throw all beetles and magmites to the wind and get hercules and phoenix instead. Level 30 is still too early to truly see the differences between pets. As I said, different kinds of pets grow differently. When my veno was in her 20s I was a bit disappointed with my magmite, cuz for all the glowing praises that other players shower upon it, I didn't find it all that different from my other pets (a sawfly and a frog). Now that I'm in my 50s and all my pets have about the same lvl Bash, it's quite impossible to miss the differences between them. There is definitely a good reason why so many players chose the magmite for their physical tank.

    When it comes to pve grinding, really just about any pet will do. When you are soloing instance dungeons or luring or tanking bosses with a pet or participating in pvp however, that's when the differences between pets really show.

    There may not be any lvl 105 venos in PWI, but the game started in China several years ago and has expanded to many Asian countries since. A lot of the players here on PWI already played on the English servers of the Malaysian version (a.k.a PW MY-EN), which was release more than a year ago if I remember correctly, and a lot of players have access to information about this game from other versions of PW.

    There are a lot of venos out there that choose to use beetles and crabs instead of magmites in the usual grind, but some of them still keep a magmite around for times of special needs. If you want to experiment then have fun with it, you won't be hopelessly gimped just because you don't use a magmite. But if u truly want to compare beetles with magmites, u should leveled them both for a while longer.

    PS: the qingfu and the lvl 3 beetle belong to different beetle "groups" for lack of a better term, so they will grow differently. There are also several different groups of wolves and wildcats.