Purposely leading mobs to people

Tsukina - Heavens Tear
Tsukina - Heavens Tear Posts: 4 Arc User
edited December 2008 in General Discussion
At 12:20am (pst) 12/13/08 (today) an archer named Vlarkin led the Dismal Shade into the teleport entrance of Tomb of Heroes, i am not sure if this is reportable, but I consider it harrasment to everyone who died there. I saw him use the laugh emoticon while I was there, Unfortunately i have no screenshots of this and hopefully someone out there does. GM's please recommend a sort of block to this, a way to stop Dismal Shade from getting to the entrance of Tomb of Heroes (where everyone enter), its sort of unfair to die the moment you get into a map. Thank you for your consideration.
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  • tankhunter
    tankhunter Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Well, could the GMs also ask the devs to make the elite wolves hanging around outside the untamed fb19 not chase people all the way to Gate of Antiquity?

    This happened to me once, just running running running for a couple minutes and it would just not disengage until I ran into the water.
  • Sweaty - Heavens Tear
    Sweaty - Heavens Tear Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Tsuk I have heard this happen with many different people and all kinds of bosses. The cgeneral consensus is, I think, that you should report the person. I am not sure if people will actually get in trouble, however, unless they do this multiple times. To tanks question those wolves are basically like mini bosses for players the same level and bosses like to follow people around. The GMs dont really seem to mind.
  • swiftlikeafox
    swiftlikeafox Posts: 307 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Hahahahahahaa, Dont ya love that???? Tends to wake everyone up ^^.

    As far as I'm aware GMs are only concerned with monsters purposely being lured into safe zones, and you're not breaking any rules by lurring them to anywhere else on the map.

    Also it doesn't really constitute "harassment" unless the person doing the luring is consistantly focusing on a single indivdual.
  • Hisui - Heavens Tear
    Hisui - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,369 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Hey they don't ban me for luring 5-6 mobs onto my team in HH b:chuckle
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  • Wwing - Heavens Tear
    Wwing - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I personally cannot find luring midboss as harrashment.
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  • Darknin - Lost City
    Darknin - Lost City Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I personally cannot find luring midboss as harrashment.

    The fact that the person did it to scare people or kill them for joyb:chuckle

    I find it hilarious and as a good point to always keep your guard up regardless of where you are, or going.
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  • peregryn
    peregryn Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that the entrance area just inside/outside dungoen teleports 'was' considered a safe zone.

    Thus deliberately using an elite/boss mob to kill other players in an area where you cannot attack them personally would be classed as harrassment.

    Of course, not having a Screenshot or other proof makes it unlikely action could be taken.
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  • Wwing - Heavens Tear
    Wwing - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    may I know what is the definition of... harassment?
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  • Tsukina - Heavens Tear
    Tsukina - Heavens Tear Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Harrasment
    1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute.
    (Dictionary.com)
    As I have said before, the act the person did was a FORM of harrasment. Why?
    He disturbed everyone resting in the safe area of the dungeon, if it was not a safe area, no mobs would be around there. He "persistantly" did so, he didnt stop, he didnt leave, and he happened to enjoy it.

    IT WOULD NOT have been harrasment if he did stop (which he didnt), or if he apologized (which he didnt). Instead, he laughs at the people that died.

    And note that harrasment doesn't always have to do with an individual. Last time i checked, bullies can harass a group of kids? He harassed an "indivual group" in which the people in the group were the people resting in the safe area of the dungeon.
  • Wwing - Heavens Tear
    Wwing - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    another thing for sure, you can choose not to be killed by that boss repeatedly, right? One thing I notice from this game is that the quests are spreaded around.
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  • Szhira - Sanctuary
    Szhira - Sanctuary Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Uh, if you see Dismal Shade being led to you, shouldn't you GTFO of there?

    Really.
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  • ballsy
    ballsy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    A player leading Dismal to the safe zone on purpose is just naughty.

    But say your party wipes and you're left fighting Dismal alone then what? Run? Or just be noble and hopefully try to solo or die trying?

    I choose run.

    Basically safe zone should mean unable to die. Apparently it doesn't.
  • tankhunter
    tankhunter Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Well, if Dismal is a land mob, run to the water. If an Air mob, run to the water, if a Water mob, run to the land. Simple as that

    Once they lose interest because they cannot hit you, they will disengage.
  • ballsy
    ballsy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Dismal is a level 45ish boss in the secret passage which has no water and flying is disabled. And typical of all bosses have a 100 sec aggro duration.
  • Wwing - Heavens Tear
    Wwing - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    if it is dismal, teleport to other places. the fb29 place is a good escape area, or outside of the tower.
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  • thelostflame
    thelostflame Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    b:angry Honestly, leading mobs to kill others for no good reason is just ****.
  • Tsukina - Heavens Tear
    Tsukina - Heavens Tear Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    "Well, if Dismal is a land mob, run to the water. If an Air mob, run to the water, if a Water mob, run to the land. Simple as that

    Once they lose interest because they cannot hit you, they will disengage. "

    Thats just it though, Its a dungeon mob, PLUS the fact that it has an AOE that poisons anyone within the area. The poison is also stackable, and being a boss mob, it can kill easily.

    "Uh, if you see Dismal Shade being led to you, shouldn't you GTFO of there?

    Really. "

    Another thing is, I DID ESCAPE. The poison killed me EVEN when I was outside of the dungeon.
  • Zertryx - Sanctuary
    Zertryx - Sanctuary Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    haha this reminds me of what happen to the village up by the cliffs i was in, i was just talking to some ppl when outta no were metors fall from the sky killing everyone in town cuz some guy lured a level 95 boss into the town XD

    Honestly, I found it quite funny / interesting as I have never seen it in a game before that u could do that. however i was upset at the exp loss but oh well only 5% i can grind that easy ^^

    anyways I doubt theres really much anyone can do about things like that, obviously its incorperated into the gameplay and the only way to fix the issue is make it so u can't die in safe zones and u cant attack from inside one either. but it dont seem that way it only seems like u can't get pked by other players, but mobs are a different story :P (computers always cheat lol)
  • tricycle
    tricycle Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Leading a boss away like that getting people killed is indeed reportable. They've said several times that it's not allowed. Such as bringing Chin to Anglers Village and such.
    To report it you should screenshot it and submit a ticket. http://support.perfectworld.com/ticketing


    I can't recall ever dying when someone did such a thing, but some of my friends did. Either way it's kinda mean, as you lose exp. b:surrender
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  • fleuri
    fleuri Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I dislike dying, and feel bad when something like that happens, and I can imagine other people also being really unhappy about this kind of thing.

    But I am also new, here, and I have met other new people, and we make mistakes and sometimes do not even know when we do this kind of thing. (I think I might have led Dismal Shade to the entrance once. I do not remember attacking him, but I might have, and I do remember him attacking me when I was trying to get my Wheel and I ran away and he came to the entrance -- so even if the party that was originally running from him all left or died or whatever, he might have followed me out. I have also seen another player with a level 38-ish cleric do something kind of similar when he was kiting Ch'in when he was trying to tank him for me.)

    If someone does this deliberately or repeatedly that would be bad, evil, mean and stupid, but they designed the game to work this way so you have to expect that sometimes this kind of thing will happen.

    (And please do not try to get rid of new users, we like this game, too! And I think we also contribute goodness, and not just mistakes. :)
  • Wrathx - Heavens Tear
    Wrathx - Heavens Tear Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Just to make sure some people know for sure, Safe Zones only mean you are safe from being PK'ed, it does not make you safe from mobs or bosses. I'm just posting this because I know that some people do not know this.

    I think if it happens once then ah well, something different happened and it adds a bit of excitement to the game. Yea you lose a bit of experience but you can always get that back anyways. Now if it was continually happening then yes, that would be a pain in the **** and be considered harrassment in my opinion.

    Just think of it as....AHHHHHH DISMAL IS LOOSE, EVERYBODY RUN!! :)
  • n0ob
    n0ob Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I think the person who took his time to lure the boss in must be given a cookie. Really, I'm serious.

    Survival of the fittest. The strong shall live and the weak shall die. I have a way of killing Zhen parties at Ykd because people grind inside a safezone, thinking they are smart.

    If someone lured a mob on me to kill me, I'd kill it and the player and say "baby one more time" It's a game what do you expect?
    I was going to post a reply... then I realized, you would likely reply in anger and insult me, to which I'd most likely respond with a wittier comment or slay you with a macro and then, onlookers, seeing that comments had been made, would interpret the traffic as interest, thus earning you attention you don't deserve for your **** post. So, when you DON'T see a comment from me, THAT is me saying "FAIL" in a much more effective manner.

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  • Hirogi - Heavens Tear
    Hirogi - Heavens Tear Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    The mods probably just want to teach us a lesson to never leave your guard down or else you get hit by wood damage by some engorged head monster thing.lol. But still, leading a monster to were lower lvled people are at is just wrong, funny, but still wrong. Mass murdered. >>
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  • peregryn
    peregryn Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Every game has it's own standards for judging. I am not sure what standard PWI uses.

    Now something like this happening because a person bit more than they could chew, and had to 'try to escape' *shrugs* it happens.

    But someone doing it 'with intent' to disrupt the gameplay of others, and the use of an Elite/boss mob as a PvP Weapon in an area 'safe zone' where he/she could not normally attack is arguably an exploit of game mechanics. And I might add is more destructive of gameplay then the Veno Pet bug everybody likes to ***** about.
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  • Kaenor - Heavens Tear
    Kaenor - Heavens Tear Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    In usual standards, if Dismal party want to escape and luring boss to the safe zone, it will be excuse, but in the most time, what i seen, its just immature high leveled peoples enjoying to pull to safe zone the boss, and it does to kill any 30-40 levels there. Ok, sometimes this game will be boring (or neighbours said "Teaparty"), but WE dont need this type of act. I dont care, i can solo any boss there, only care low levelled peoples there, to endanger them with a game bug, or whatever. Gave them minimal respect for not ruining their gameplay...
  • DarkReCon - Heavens Tear
    DarkReCon - Heavens Tear Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I was there that day when it happened and was only a 43 at the time.. That guy was a real muncher in the way he acted as do all the morons that do that even in the playing field.. I didnt act on it cause it took less time to make up my exp then it would to go to the site and report but it is bothersome.. I had Ch'in kill me 3 times last night cause of a muncher when I was doing my quest nearby by him bringing him over.. Something should be done to a point but it is still part of the game..
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  • Xninja - Heavens Tear
    Xninja - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    lmao this whole topic is hilarious its called a mob bomb verry usefull when u got a group of people that u want to die but cant do it by urself. i think its funny and congraduelate this person on a awsome prank. now if it were a boss lured on to a bunch of lvl 1-23 ppl it would be bad but if ur in there your most likely over 30. that means ur familar with the game and its funny when u die. rember people its just a game have fun with it ^^
  • Swoosh - Sanctuary
    Swoosh - Sanctuary Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Lol I remember me on "another game" as a tank when another race came to kill my **** xD. I would take higher lvl aoe mobs in the area to tank and run behind him to kill him with the mobs haha. xD

    Anyway on topic, i wouldn't really care, I'd just GTFO of there like someone suggested earlier lol xD
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