Dream or Nightmare?

Lyndura - Lost City
Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
edited December 2008 in General Discussion
With the new release of the expansion, we are getting the loved and so hated pets, Hercules and Phoenix. Many have already seen their power, others have just heard about them. So, what do you think about this? :o
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  • Sir_walter - Heavens Tear
    Sir_walter - Heavens Tear Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Veno's over level 59 are already impossible to beat for a melee class with bramble hood cast so these pets are pointless.
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I don't have problems beating Venomancers of my level...for now.
  • sizzzzle
    sizzzzle Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    holy ****, They said Pheonix was too OP so if it's true, I'm definitely quitting PW when A**n Releases
  • syen
    syen Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    well the fact is they will probably take over 100gold to get, each can't drink water, and both start at lvl 1 should slow down some of the amount of them...well to some degree.
  • pugofcrydee
    pugofcrydee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Yay.. The Phoenix.

    GG TW
  • Clickhere - Lost City
    Clickhere - Lost City Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    100 zen is REALLY cheap if you ask me. As warrior you have to buy XS at lvl 70 or you suck which is worth already way more than 100 zen /10 million coins
    Raven:"...Don't joke with my intelligence"b:laugh
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Yeah...I know many people who can get 100 gold without any problems.
  • Katryn - Heavens Tear
    Katryn - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Yeah, however if they stick with their typical pricing of 1g, then those pets will cost 1000 zen, not 100. :(
  • syen
    syen Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    well if each gold can give you 10-50 feathers 250gold could get a one if rolls are decent
  • Sir_walter - Heavens Tear
    Sir_walter - Heavens Tear Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't have problems beating Venomancers of my level...for now.

    Your a cleric or archer right? if so your not a melee class. Try to do physical damage when bramble hood has been cast on venomancer, I kill myself in 2 hits it reflects 200% damage dealt.
  • Daji - Heavens Tear
    Daji - Heavens Tear Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Sir_walter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Your a cleric or archer right? if so your not a melee class. Try to do physical damage when bramble hood has been cast on venomancer, I kill myself in 2 hits it reflects 200% damage dealt.

    Veno damage rebound @ 60% (demon @75%) so is depending on your damage output on her. If the veno in heavy armor, she is any melee nightmare
  • Lazyluna - Heavens Tear
    Lazyluna - Heavens Tear Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    *giggles* At the price they'll cost me... 1g per 10-50 feathers... 9,999 feathers required.

    min cost: 200 gold
    max cost: 1,000 gold

    It costs a little over 110k for 1g on Heaven's Tear right now. For me, since I don't have spare cash irl, that's going to be anywhere from 22,000,000-110,000,000 coins... I love to farm? b:shocked

    All I can say is: They better be ******* legendary.
    b:bye RETIRED
  • Daji - Heavens Tear
    Daji - Heavens Tear Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    1g for 10-50 feathers is expensive.

    In CN version, you get one for 880g RMB and thats about 120 usd here. Maybe they should review the price of battle pets here.
  • Rosewhite - Sanctuary
    Rosewhite - Sanctuary Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    While I'd love to have one of those pets, the pricing totally turned me off. Does anyone know what they eat? If it's hay, I'm not going to bother.
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  • Starang - Lost City
    Starang - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I don't see the point to make venomancer even more OP than it is already. Just when we got rid of the jones blessing..
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Daji - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Veno damage rebound @ 60% (demon @75%) so is depending on your damage output on her. If the veno in heavy armor, she is any melee nightmare

    He's talking about Hood (200% reflect) not Guard (60%). And Walter, Lyndura is also a BM like you.

    For me, I'm stuck at a predicament. I would love to get Phoenix, but also the same with Hercules (to help out guildies with tanking).
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  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Sir_walter - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Your a cleric or archer right? if so your not a melee class. Try to do physical damage when bramble hood has been cast on venomancer, I kill myself in 2 hits it reflects 200% damage dealt.

    I'm BM too.

    Hood lasts 15 seconds, and it has a cooldown of 30 seconds. Meaning they won't have it for 15 seconds.

    What I do is start with Aeolian Blade, then use both bleeds, Piercing Winds and Short Bust, then throw in Diamond Sutre and stun with Roar. I wait for the 6 seconds to pass, while my HP is regenerating with the heal, by then, Hood should be already off, then I throw another Aeolian when they get unstunned, if it doesn't stun, then I stack another bleed, if it stun, then I use Farstrike and stack bleed.

    They have less HP than us, so by then the Venomancer should be already dead, if not, I use Roar again and let bleed do the job. Oh, and use Meteor Rush for the pet.
  • Sweaty - Heavens Tear
    Sweaty - Heavens Tear Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    I cant even fathom the amount of money that would be required to get one of these pets. Maybe over time they will cost less as there are more of them, but at that price only the super rich in game or people who dont mind dishing out a couple hundered rl cash will have them.. They shouldnt be too much of a worry because most likely you wont come across many.
  • Naris - Heavens Tear
    Naris - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Rosewhite - Sanctuary wrote: »
    While I'd love to have one of those pets, the pricing totally turned me off. Does anyone know what they eat? If it's hay, I'm not going to bother.

    They eat ONLY fodder (hay is the most common) AFAIK, and after you get them to 999 you can use the cash shop book to keep them there as I don't see them dying much.

    Basically the price is set right for their strength, and they eat money. Venos may make more money than most, but you'd have to be pretty extreme to own one of these pets so I don't find it too overpowered.
  • Mua - Lost City
    Mua - Lost City Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Naris - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    They eat ONLY fodder (hay is the most common) AFAIK, and after you get them to 999 you can use the cash shop book to keep them there as I don't see them dying much.

    Basically the price is set right for their strength, and they eat money. Venos may make more money than most, but you'd have to be pretty extreme to own one of these pets so I don't find it too overpowered.

    Apparently the CS book doesn't work on them either. You have to constantly farm hay or meat! b:cry
    Maiya - Lost City wrote: »
    For me, I'm stuck at a predicament. I would love to get Phoenix, but also the same with Hercules (to help out guildies with tanking).

    If I decide to give in and get one, I have to figure out a feeding plan, and decide between the super owning PVP Phoenix or the Awesome tear-thru-dungeons tanking Herc. (No way I can manage both without that CS book thing)

    PWI's staff are pure evil b:surrender
    Mua - 8x WF - Conqueror
  • WindGaurdian - Sanctuary
    WindGaurdian - Sanctuary Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    After reading this thread i still have no clue what Phoenix feathers are..

    And what they are used for.

    Are phoenix feathers only good for Veno's? or are they also good for other classes?

    Was it just added recently from the expansion?

    And whats this about Herculies and Phoenix? (what is that?)

    What are these invincible pets that veno's have? (i havent even heard about it at all and i've been playing for a while)

    If anyone can give me a detailed explanation of whats all this fuss is about, I'll appreciate it. b:pleased

    sorry i'm still a learning noob at my level b:surrender
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Mua - Lost City wrote: »
    Apparently the CS book doesn't work on them either. You have to constantly farm hay or meat! b:cry



    If I decide to give in and get one, I have to figure out a feeding plan, and decide between the super owning PVP Phoenix or the Awesome tear-thru-dungeons tanking Herc. (No way I can manage both without that CS book thing)

    PWI's staff are pure evil b:surrender

    There goes the cash shop idea then, lol. So they'll eat all Hay types? If so, good for me, I have some Hay type food that boosts loyalty by 200, then some remainder hay that I bought knowing the price would inflate.


    Are phoenix feathers only good for Veno's? or are they also good for other classes?
    -Only used by Venos. You can sell for profit if you're another class.

    Was it just added recently from the expansion?
    -Yes.

    And whats this about Herculies and Phoenix? (what is that?)
    -Hercules is an ugly pet, but it's stats are very good for tanking (apparently the defense is greater than that of an equal level barb). Phoenix is a powerful PvP pet.

    What are these invincible pets that veno's have? (i havent even heard about it at all and i've been playing for a while)
    -I imagine you'd only see them when they're being used effectively due to cost of the feeding items.

    If anyone can give me a detailed explanation of whats all this fuss is about, I'll appreciate it
    -A pet's bleed status is bugged and deals full damage to players, ignoring their defense. If you got a Phoenix dealing 3k damage with one bleed, you can see how much outrage there would be.
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  • GloveMaster - Sanctuary
    GloveMaster - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    lol hay prices r guna go waaaaay up now time to go get a ton to sell then mayb i can get a phoenix 2xD
  • WindGaurdian - Sanctuary
    WindGaurdian - Sanctuary Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    AHah thanks!!! ^__^
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  • Naris - Heavens Tear
    Naris - Heavens Tear Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Mua - Lost City wrote: »
    Apparently the CS book doesn't work on them either. You have to constantly farm hay or meat! b:cry



    If I decide to give in and get one, I have to figure out a feeding plan, and decide between the super owning PVP Phoenix or the Awesome tear-thru-dungeons tanking Herc. (No way I can manage both without that CS book thing)

    PWI's staff are pure evil b:surrender


    If that's true, suddenly they don't seem so powerful. One of my guildies has a phoenix, and was intending to use the book.

    Wait, have you tried feeding it until it was full and then used the book? Because the book essentially freezes its hunger status at the time.
  • Foxwarrior - Sanctuary
    Foxwarrior - Sanctuary Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    WindGaurdian - Sanctuary wrote: »
    AHah thanks!!! ^__^

    Lol no prob theres gonna be a lot of people selling hay for like 20k now lolb:shockedb:laugh
  • Mua - Lost City
    Mua - Lost City Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Naris - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If that's true, suddenly they don't seem so powerful. One of my guildies has a phoenix, and was intending to use the book.

    Wait, have you tried feeding it until it was full and then used the book? Because the book essentially freezes its hunger status at the time.

    One person says in another version you can't use the book, but I think it was Cat from here who says the book has kept her Herc from getting hungry.. right now I'm a bit.. stuck. I'm not going to touch anything legendary-related until the pets have been out for a while and we have more information from owners. I looked up the hay and the best way to get it seems to be a 23% drop from some stupid underwater mob, unless you buy the (soon to inflate) ones from players.b:surrender
    Mua - 8x WF - Conqueror
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Looks like this balances the veno's financial advantage, as well as their PVP/TW disadvantage (minus flesh ream bug), no?
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  • Ricecake - Heavens Tear
    Ricecake - Heavens Tear Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Honestly I think yeah they are very powerful, but for the price they better darn well be powerful, at the price they are currently at its not like every veno in the game is gonna have one, so just try to not fight someone with a item mall pet :P
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  • GloveMaster - Sanctuary
    GloveMaster - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Ricecake - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Just try to not fight someone with a item mall pet :P


    That is gonna be pretty hard if ur on Lost Cityb:shocked i feel bad for you guys thos veos are gonna be destroying themb:bye

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