What does a Heavy Armor Venomancer Build Look like? O__o
Annabella - Heavens Tear
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HI! Thats the question. ^^ What should I increase every other level?
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Heavy Armor Fox Build:
1- 30
2.5str, 0.5 dex, 2 int
Stats @ :
77 str
20 dex
5 vit
63 mag
31 - 60 ( Weapon MageSabre @ 33 and )
2.5 str, 0.5 dex, 1 vit, 1 int (until 90 int@ 57)
Stats:
Str: 152
Dex : 34
Mag : 90
Vit : 39
Beyond + (StarSealer Sword)
2.5 str, 0.5 dex, 2 vit
Adjust just enough to wear heavy armor. The rest should be vit.0 -
I dont quite understand heavy venos at all...
Their dps and hp suffer. Also they cant heal their pets efficiently, which means it's hard for them to level up.
In pvp, they got good defense against phy. damaging classes while they could be easily oneshotted by wizs and other light/robe venos...
So, what's the point?0 -
Last time I checked, heavy armor venos have an advantage against robe classes because of their hard hitting fox form skills plus their higher mag defense than BMs. That is the point of their existence.
However since I never played one I can't say for sure. There is an 8x heavy armor veno in my faction though Ill get back to you after I ask.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Heavy venos are not good while nnot in fox form. I had a duel with heavy veno and i won. But next duel he turned in fox and i couldnt do anything. So if u want to be heavy veno u should always be in fox form.0
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They pack absolutely ridiculous pdef while in fox form.
Also, if you're talking about hybrid heavy WFs, they can change to robes and get whatever pdef/mdef balance they want.
Also, when it comes to PvP, durability is the main thing for WFs, who get so much of their damage from pets.
I played a heavy veno on PW-MY after going as robes for most of the time. It makes a huge difference in PvP.Everyone here is ridiculously oversensitive.0 -
Here are reasons why people use fox build.
Soul Transfusion : Double your HP.
Against Blade, Barbarian, Archer
Bramble Hood - 200% melee reflect , 75% reduce damage. In other servers, you'd see WR suicide during fights because of this. WR crit end-up killing himself b:laugh
Fox Form Sage - 3x your physical attack. 2.5x your physical defense (20K def is possible with priest buff and good gear) 3.5x accuracy.
Against Cleric, Mages, and mage-Veno.
Sawfly w/ bugged bleed skill + Amplify damage = bleed to death in 9 seconds.0 -
Heavy Armor Fox Build:
1- 30
2.5str, 0.5 dex, 2 int
Stats @ :
77 str
20 dex
5 vit
63 mag
31 - 60 ( Weapon MageSabre @ 33 and )
2.5 str, 0.5 dex, 1 vit, 1 int (until 90 int@ 57)
Stats:
Str: 152
Dex : 34
Mag : 90
Vit : 39
Beyond + (StarSealer Sword)
2.5 str, 0.5 dex, 2 vit
Adjust just enough to wear heavy armor. The rest should be vit.
im sry i dont understand the 2.5 0.5 ~_~ could u noob it down for me plz b:surrender0 -
Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »I dont quite understand heavy venos at all...
Their dps and hp suffer. Also they cant heal their pets efficiently, which means it's hard for them to level up.
In pvp, they got good defense against phy. damaging classes while they could be easily oneshotted by wizs and other light/robe venos...
So, what's the point?
Case in point, veno's actually have MORE mag def than you'd think, probably much more than wb/bm. Their dps really doesn't suffer because half (depending on pet, if we're talking cash pet, probably more than half) comes from pet alone. So in reality, you have more survivability, with a damage decrease on already "bad" damage, compared to clerics/wizards.
As for the 2.5, 0.5 every level question, that means 5 stats every TWO levels, and 1 stat every TWO levels.0 -
LOL 1 shot by magic? Low hp?
My full buffed stats
8k pdef
5kmdef
Heavy veno friend
14kpdef
7.5kmdef
She has 7khp, i have 8.5khp cos my gear is much better but average archer has <7khp.
The "one-shot by magic" bs about heavy wfs is a myth. Even if the do their build badly they still dont get one-shhot by magic and can actually survive bleed therefore kill other wfs and destroy caster classes because they have a nix. Their damage being low is also a myth, for pvp no wf goes pure mag if they are light they have min for weapon even if they are robes they have a lot of vit so usually have base mag for weapon. Heavy is exactly the same base magic for their weapon which means they have same magic as other builds thus same damage. Good heavy wfs do it for defense they DO NOT go in fox and use fox skills unless its debuff/amp. In terms of stats they use gear that gives extra stats so they can wear up to date weapons.Official Guild History
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Chaotiic - Lost City wrote: »LOL 1 shot by magic? Low hp?
My full buffed stats
8k pdef
5kmdef
Heavy veno friend
14kpdef
7.5kmdef
She has 7khp, i have 8.5khp cos my gear is much better but average archer has <7khp.
The "one-shot by magic" bs about heavy wfs is a myth. Even if the do their build badly they still dont get one-shhot by magic and can actually survive bleed therefore kill other wfs and destroy caster classes because they have a nix. Their damage being low is also a myth, for pvp no wf goes pure mag if they are light they have min for weapon even if they are robes they have a lot of vit so usually have base mag for weapon. Heavy is exactly the same base magic for their weapon which means they have same magic as other builds thus same damage. Good heavy wfs do it for defense they DO NOT go in fox and use fox skills unless its debuff/amp. In terms of stats they use gear that gives extra stats so they can wear up to date weapons.
mmm I add one con per level, rest is magic. I add strength as needed, one every 2 levels typically and will stop doing that once my str gets to 54 (Minimum for Lv99 gear.) I will hit a lot harder than a heavy WF at my level. Heavy CAN work, yes - and it can be practical if you have the money to do it, but you saying you have that much HP - please do mention your refines, because most people wont have barely any refines because they can't afford to do that.
Heavy WF get 3 con, you have to get your HP from stones and refines only, don't feed into the idea of have 7k HP ever with a heavy WF, even at 100 unless you have atleast +5 on all of your gear and all 4 socket with G8+ HP stones. Even with all +5, I still seriously doubt 7k HP.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
XEPICxBISHx - Lost City wrote: »mmm I add one con per level, rest is magic. I add strength as needed, one every 2 levels typically and will stop doing that once my str gets to 54 (Minimum for Lv99 gear.) I will hit a lot harder than a heavy WF at my level. Heavy CAN work, yes - and it can be practical if you have the money to do it, but you saying you have that much HP - please do mention your refines, because most people wont have barely any refines because they can't afford to do that.
Heavy WF get 3 con, you have to get your HP from stones and refines only, don't feed into the idea of have 7k HP ever with a heavy WF, even at 100 unless you have atleast +5 on all of your gear and all 4 socket with G8+ HP stones. Even with all +5, I still seriously doubt 7k HP.
Eh 7k hp buffed is not really that hard even me a cleric with crappy gear have 5k hp unbuffed.-_- Plus as a heavy veno ur equip adds much more hp than LA and AA. The refine for HA adds more hp than LA and AA too. Put all shards into hp since you dont really need shard to add P.def nor M.def to acheive 8.5k hp buffed as a heavy veno is not a hard thing to do in fact. And I agrees that a HA veno does that high hp and def in both ways, but they do not have such high damage as casting and they will be mostly fighting like a melee.0 -
MasonChen - Sanctuary wrote: »The refine for HA adds more hp than LA and AA too.
Then pwdatabase must be wrong?
Here are three pieces of TT90 armor:
arcane
light
heavy
pwdatabase says +1 on each of them gives +30HP.
(I can believe built in bonuses being higher for heavy armor.)
Can you tell us how much they really give?0 -
Yes HA gives more hp in refine,i can't log on right now to give you stats,but i think a tt80 brace HA is +5 207 hp or something,and AA sleeve is 87 hp@ +4 so work it out from that =/
Another thing people forget is the ability to wear an up to date HP helm
Impossible on other build.That adds a **** load. Quit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet0 -
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MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes HA gives more hp in refine,i can't log on right now to give you stats,but i think a tt80 brace HA is +5 207 hp or something,and AA sleeve is 87 hp@ +4 so work it out from that =/
Another thing people forget is the ability to wear an up to date HP helm Impossible on other build.That adds a **** load.
pwdatabase claims a +5 heavy armor tt80 bracer gives +154 hp from having been refined, but we would also get another +50..+60 from its vitality. For comparison, a +4 arcane armor tt80 bracer gives +116hp from having been refined, and also gives another +50..+60 from its vitality.
So ...presumably... arcane refines do not match pwdatabase's claims?0 -
meh... i like LA veno and ima stick to it.
LA > HA & Robe0 -
Thc - Harshlands wrote: »meh... i like LA veno and ima stick to it.
LA > HA & Robe
Heh. Not even close. LA> HA & Robe?=No. LA doesn't have the pdef of HA or Mdef of either. I don't see where you could have got that.0 -
LA is the worse choice of armor after 90.
Both AA and HA have some advantages. LA has none.____________
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Here are reasons why people use fox build.
Soul Transfusion : Double your HP.
Against Blade, Barbarian, Archer
Bramble Hood - 200% melee reflect , 75% reduce damage. In other servers, you'd see WR suicide during fights because of this. WR crit end-up killing himself b:laugh
Fox Form Sage - 3x your physical attack. 2.5x your physical defense (20K def is possible with priest buff and good gear) 3.5x accuracy.
Against Cleric, Mages, and mage-Veno.
Sawfly w/ bugged bleed skill + Amplify damage = bleed to death in 9 seconds.
Doesn't bramble not work in PK mode?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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you ppl, besides chaotic, have NO idea what your talking about. Im a heavy veno and I pvp most of the time i spend on this game. Guess what? I can tank magic classes easy-yes mage hurts but thats what pots are for. + although mage hurts more than any other class they are also the EASIEST class to kill, simply debuff and all their buffs and rock shield go away and when arcane armor meets bleed its not pretty. the thing heavy armor venosneed to know is this build is ONLY good with a nix for PVP. othwise good luck killing any good geared 9x+ barbs, or BMs. But yes i roll ppl all the time with my build and its awesome, heavy armor venos that know how to play their class well and dont depend on their nix 100% are a force to be reckoned with.
ok as a reply to some of these crazy posts.
1) bramble hood, though still amazing in pvp, DOES NOT reflect dmg to atacker-only in pve.
2) soul transfusion DOES NOT increase hp by 200% or w/e lmao. is simply switches mp and hp values-but it is also very usefull in pvp if you know how to use it.
seriously ppl figure out what your really talking about b4 you become an expert. IJS0 -
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Thc - Harshlands wrote: »meh... i like LA veno and ima stick to it.
LA > HA & Robe
ummmmm no. LA is the WORST armor endgame. Yes a decent amount of venos play LA andmake it wrk but it dosent change the fact that it is still really really bad armor when compared to the rest of endgame arcane/HA armor. seriously the only class that has an excuse to wear that **** is archer or assassin.0 -
XEPICxBISHx - Lost City wrote: »mmm I add one con per level, rest is magic. I add strength as needed, one every 2 levels typically and will stop doing that once my str gets to 54 (Minimum for Lv99 gear.) I will hit a lot harder than a heavy WF at my level. Heavy CAN work, yes - and it can be practical if you have the money to do it, but you saying you have that much HP - please do mention your refines, because most people wont have barely any refines because they can't afford to do that.
Heavy WF get 3 con, you have to get your HP from stones and refines only, don't feed into the idea of have 7k HP ever with a heavy WF, even at 100 unless you have atleast +5 on all of your gear and all 4 socket with G8+ HP stones. Even with all +5, I still seriously doubt 7k HP.
ok your from the same server as me so you really cant say that a large majority of ppl 90+ in our server dont have well sharded and + gear. but then again you are like 5x so you might not know yet. So, let me clear any misunderstandings-AT LEAST 80%+ of the 90+ ppl i know (and thats a lotttttttttt of ppl) have well sharded gear with good refines. So no, saying a WF w/ 7k hp who is 9x+ is not a rare occurance in heavy armor in our server.0 -
MasonChen - Sanctuary wrote: »Eh 7k hp buffed is not really that hard even me a cleric with crappy gear have 5k hp unbuffed.-_- Plus as a heavy veno ur equip adds much more hp than LA and AA. The refine for HA adds more hp than LA and AA too. Put all shards into hp since you dont really need shard to add P.def nor M.def to acheive 8.5k hp buffed as a heavy veno is not a hard thing to do in fact. And I agrees that a HA veno does that high hp and def in both ways, but they do not have such high damage as casting and they will be mostly fighting like a melee.
What exactly is wrong with melee? I am just now starting an HA veno. She is only lvl 47 and I already know that by lvl 90, she will be much more affective all the way around. I have an 87 arcane veno with high str and she rocks. If I could reset her stats right now, though, I would push her to HA, grab demon at 89, and tear ***.0 -
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Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »I dont quite understand heavy venos at all...
Their dps and hp suffer. Also they cant heal their pets efficiently, which means it's hard for them to level up.
In pvp, they got good defense against phy. damaging classes while they could be easily oneshotted by wizs and other light/robe venos...
So, what's the point?
are you ****? im totally not asking this in a rhetorical way either. You either are really just that stupid or trying to talk about something you are just too ignorant to comprehend.
let me sort this out for you....
1. thoe only thing you say that hold any weight is yes, HA veno m attk isnt as great as AA or LA, but tbh i dont need the extra m attk. Im not saying it wouldnt help but really i have absolutely no problem at all killing anyone with less that +10 everything gearz. And in some cases i have been able to kill ppl with +10 everything. as for my DPS on AA i might not hit that hard but i know how to make it wrk. Even w/o nix i just debuff/ amp, lvl 11 nova or 3 spark and extreme poison and its all good. as for hp....are you talking out of your butt? last time i looked HA gives mroe HP than AA. and if your talking about vit AA then you need to mention that cause their m attk suffers as well. most vit AA have like 100+ vit points. as for DPS, DPS helps but its not needed to kill ppl. I kill 5.0 BM and sin all the time with my measly -13% channeling
2. are you serious about HA not being able to heal pets well? i dont even feel like answering this question bc i cant stand your stupidity. you must have just bought your account. unless its the most horrible fail HA veno your basing your info on you have no idea what your talking about. HA veno with +0 weapon heal pets incredibly easy....trust me i use to be one.... and ya ive been HA since day one and i lvld my pets up just as fast as any other veno out there...both pets are lvl 100 atm
3. of c we have good p def but you make it sound like we have 0 m def. ill admit that while m attks might hurt more than p attks they are nothing to worry about. I can tank most ppls hits with my 5.1k m def and for those i cant i just use skills and pills and i do just fine. And as for 1 shot, there arent to many out there than can do it without a crit.
4. so whats the point? here it is, if you dont have a lot of money go HA. you dont have to refine as much as a AA for hp and you dont have to put as much cash into your gear to not get one shot by either p attk. HA takes M attks muchhhhhhhhhh better than AA takes p attks. youll make it in HA with less CS gear than you will in AA. And i know this first hand cause i tried both. Plus, tbh i see more p attk class out there than m attk and while +0 HA might survive 1-2 attks from m dmg b4 you die in AA literally all a sin or archer has to do is roll their face on the keyboard to 1 shot you.0 -
hahah....seems like you nevar meet meb:sinb:sin
a heavy venom is design to be more powerfull than any barbarian or blademaster(doesnt matter what build is).
The true heavy venom potential is reached when the build is balance between str dex and vit and also magic to allow warefox skills to be usedb:victory0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Make that 4 now. b:surrender
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5. Is this a new record yet?
Indeed it is. Ima writing this down!
WIN! WIN! WIN!
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