Ripping of more

let there be no mistake, PWI is here for profit.
no profit = no servers

yeah, i spend a lil here & there, & found that if u don't like something about the prices, then simply don't push the little yellow button.

prices will rise until people stop buying it (whatever "it" may be).

despite it all, i find this the best mmo

Prankster, i agree, i played a few other "f2p" mmo's that have cash shops & during that time i went through many "turmoils" in my own head cause i wasn't a buyer. Reason for the turmoils...plain & simple, it's jealousy & or envy...that the person who is not buying has to endure because they watch their peers pass them in level, so stick with it, u wouldn't be playing this long if u really didn't enjoy it.

Duclis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your use of grammar kind of confuses me and I feel somewhat unsure how to respond. Are you suggesting that all minors are thieving little hellions who can somehow steal not only cash, but their parents' credit card(s), PayPal, and or debit/checking account information? Maybe that they are stealing the game cards offered? That they are trying illegal third party programs (bots) to get coins to buy gold (zen)? I would appreciate some clarification on this matter since this discussion is somewhat relevant to my interests. b:thanksb:cute

if those kids can do that then why are they even playing this game? XD they could make millions a day if they can do all that and i really doubt they would even waste a day playing this if they can just buy some other things from the cash they bring in lol. and yes i agree with you Duclis... i had a pretty hard time understanding on what his point was...

I've read it a few times and i can only get the part that he thinks children steal from people and something about his kids... well the games running again so im going back in lol see you in game XD

lol u do realize u can buy GOLD for ingame Coins!!!??

Where is the problem to farm coins and buy gold with em?? U can buy EVERYTHING u want with NO REAL MONEY at all!!!

and if u happen to invest money into the cash shop do it SMART!!! u can double the gold u buy easily with some effort!!
Play the economy ffs!!! Buy low sell high! it's not brain surgery!!

and plx stop complaining!!
kkthxbye

Its a free great game no one is making you buy anything, be grateful you didnt PAY for the game OR have to pay monthly, shut up if you dont want to buy it then dont no one is making you and all this is free anyways

Duclis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Isn't that where good parenting is supposed to come in?

Good parenting's as rare as cheap Dull Claws in Archosaur.

My opinions may not reflect PWEs. So they are not responsible for what I'm putting here b:shutup

Good parenting. Yeah, it is NOT a myth. b:pleased

Have your kids read books. Go on hikes, check out museums, teach your kids, do fun stuff with your kids, actually RAISE your kids, not co-exist with them.

TV, music, games, and the internet do NOT raise your children correctly FOR you. You must put forth actual, real effort.

You are their censor, their foundation builder, their guide into their new adventure called life.

Don't PK your own kid by being a slacker parent

It's simply nature to want things other people have. Don't let envy or jealousy ruin your fun.

It may be frustrating to see things in the game that you wont get any time soon, that someone else has because they paid for it... but u get what you pay for, as the old adage goes. People who pay a lot for something will show it off to those that didn't. Much like expensive cars, clothes, and jewelry. I mean seriously, does anyone NEED a Portia, chrome rims, surround sound, and Gucci? Of course not, and if it got passed out for free its value would diminish and mean nothing. But don’t let it get to you, its nature ^^

No point in judging kids. You don't know what they're doing, and it’s ridiculous to think they're all stealing. That's far fetched and judgmental. Allowance can cover their game expenses. And buying a child zen here makes no financial difference than buying them a new video game each month.

Businesses are fueled on $ and it makes the world go round.

It's up to each player to decide what they want to spend. In my 70's now, and I still don't think it's necessary to buy anything from the cash shop. And yes, I actually have tried all aspects of the game without one. The only thing you can’t do without a heiro is zhen… and zhen is not a need it’s a want.

Don't get me wrong though... I do... I like fashions I also rather spend time helping my guildies and messing around than farming for mats (though I may need to a little pretty soon O_O). So I just buy heiros w/ gold + angels cuz I don't feel like losing xp when I die. Supporting a lvl 70+ tank, a 70+ cleric, running tons of HH's, and my fashion addiction = $200+ a month (that’s $70/mo for the barb, and $130/mo for the cleric). Do I think prices are expensive? Yes. Do I think it's a lot in general though? Not really, because 1 night of fun for 2 costs $30 for a movie, $50 for dinner, $20 for drinks, (and if u have kids) $40 for a good baby sitter. That's about $140 for about 4-5 hours of amusement. A paid $200 and I got a month.

But don’t fear. There are cheaper ways to do things…

Grinding btw isn't expensive if you do the right grind for your class. For me, it takes 360k mp to zhen for 1 hour, or I can solo aoe for just a little less xp, and it only costs 70k mp per hour. Generally I go for 10-17 mobs at once. I've also seen blade-masters and tanks doing it as well.

On a side note I’ve also seen guilds do an aoe grind form zhen. They say it’s cheaper and just as effective. Some of my friends and I call it “Ghetto Zhen”. I tried it, it’s ok, but I prefer the classic way. But some may find ghetto zhen more appealing since it’s more interactive, besides the cost saving factor.

Veno's are a $ tree. They just keep going and going, and are great $ makers.

Hasn't anyone noticed by now that everything in the cash shop is, by no means, necessary to play the game? It only makes it easier/faster to play.

If items required to obtain something, like some item needed to finish a quest, could ONLY be obtained through the cash shop (and that item happened to be... like... $10), yeah that's truly ripping off people.

But it's not, so don't complain. Personally, I don't mind paying their prices for something that's very much a luxury.

In short, you guys are staring at a rolls royce and drooling when you can just as easily get a bicycle. Both take you places, just one has a much bigger price tag over the other.

Duclis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hmm..after reading it over again..the only thing I could be sure of is that he is suggesting that minors cannot stop spending money at the cash shop for "cute" things like elf wings and such.
Isn't that where good parenting is supposed to come in? Since you cannot use real money on this without getting one of the buggy game cards, I would assume any decent parent would put X money into their child's personal PayPal or game account every Y weeks/months/year. Sorry about the X and Y.... College Algebra got my brain running in circles b:surrender

As a parent I have to step in. I think what he means is it entices young kids to steal, beg, whine, or whatever to obtain the pretty neat things in game that are only available in CS or in the market for crazy prices. Kids are not patience most the time and do and can be a little on the stealth side if they want something bad enough.
"Isn't that where good parenting is supposed to come in?"

That wasn't exactly nice. You can be a good parent but it doesn't mean your child/children will apply the good knowledge you gave them. I am sure the 14 year old that called me a cuss word because I would not join his squad parents would be appalled since older people do play MMOs (I am one). He is expressing his opinion as a parent, right or wrong isn't for you decide if you aren't parent or if you yourself wasn't taught simple manners. I do not understand people flamming people because they disagree. State your opinion with manners without insulting. To question someone's parenting or anyone parenting is rude. He also said he pays for some things. So, obvisiously he was concerned about the kids here playing and what 'MAY" happen for those kids to attain certain pretties in the game.

Thank you Sharp_edge!!!!!