Poll:Permabans from bugging bosses?

Celena - Lost City wrote: »

I'm aware they don't care, I reported a botter (used some kind of a program to control multiple characters and was running in a circle killing mobs with them)

Just because two froends succeed in coordinating their actions better then you and your friends doesn't automatically make them a bot-team. It's not that hard to follow a plan.

It could be a bot, off course, but the problem with banning is that it's also rather possible that they were just working well together and when banning such a team you would be banning people for being skilled.

Ever seen a spike in Guild Wars? If you take a look at other (high end) multiplayer PvP games you'll see how well synchronized people can play with only tools like Ventrillo or Teamspeak. Perhaps the GM saw more of them then you did, I imagine they can get more precise data then what we see on screen. Or maybe he just whispered them both?

I only started to play this game about 10 days ago now. Am lvl 30 now though have been stuck on 30 for a while now waiting for factionmembers to catch up. We came to this game as a group we had played another game before and opened a faction for us. We try to stick together and help each other out through that we don't really spend much time with other people. This is actually the first time I heard that you have to totally empty the FB dungeons.:o And I have done the FB19 and 29 a couple times now for myself as well as helping the members of my faction. I honestly had no idea that it was a bug we just killed what we needed to get to the boss. I just hope we won't get banned for it.:( Will make sure my factions members are aware of it from now though.

A bug is a bug.

The TOS are the TOS.

It's banable. If it wasn't the TOS wouldn't say that exploiting bugs and glitches was illegal.

Since it does...and bugging Gouf or any other boss is exploiting a glitch/bug, then it's banable.


But what matters is whether the GMs actually do anything about it.

Cat - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I doubt very seriously you will get banned dont worry. This is why GMs give warnings and why they should give warnings first.

And just to clarify you dont have to clear the entire FB when you do FBs. What they are referring to is a bug where you can skip half of the FB, and pull the boss through a closed door at the end. And this is only on FB 29. To my knowledge there are no bugs for fb19 or any of the other FBs besides 29. They do try to make it sound like in this thread that is explotation going on 24/7 in every aspect of the game and thats just not the case. In truth its like one FB you can bug a boss through the door, and one boss around lvl 45ish you can bug with a flying pet. Other than that and your typical botters/macros, There is no great explotation of the game going on. There is no Bug or cheater crisis. Just some people making a mountain out of a molehill.

You can do FBs the "legal" way and not clear them so dont worry chances are you and your guild members are doing nothing wrong and the majority of the gameing population is not doing anything wrong either.

Thank you!:) That does clear it up for me.

thom wrote: »

There is also a bug possible to do on one of holy hall bosses to kill it for free without any danger... As i have said few times allready, its not just these few minor one's that are exploited.

Those are just the best examples to use and show how people are exploiting them every chance they get.

Have you ever seen where games fall when GM's dont do their jobs? Go see My-En servers, i'm pretty sure nobody wants that here. Or check silkroad, or some other game where GM's snoozed off and didnt enforce their rules.

Once again you also forget the ToS, which clearly states these are exploits and therefore bannable.

To all:

This is a great game and all i'm asking is even playing field for everyone. Yeah i could use those bugs too, i just wont because i like the challenge and i rather play as its meant to be.

This is a worried call from a veteran player who knows how bad things go from just minor exploits like these if GM's let them pass.

Best would be to fix these,but while waiting, permaban the offenders.

Reason why permabans is this,since it seems that needs some explaining too, though i explained it once or twice allready in this thread,: Warning doesnt prevent anything, it wont stop people using any bug when they only get a warning. It is highly inefficient way to control cheaters.

Well the only exploits I knew about was the fb 29 and gouf, but now see you are telling more people about more of them. As I said the average player doesnt know about the bugs and exploits and arent using them, If they would by some chance do it, it wouldnt be on purpose most of the time.

You act like the game is exploited 24/7 by everyone who plays it and thats just not the case. I honestly dont know anyone in the game right now or in my guild who has used any of the exploits mentioned. I have yet to come across anyone in the game while im out question/helping/etc or is using one. Relatively the problem is VERY small and only a select group of people are actually doing it.

So once again yes your making a mountain out of a molehill. And just so you know I have a lvl 81 EP named Catica on PW EN, Im the guild leader of Entourage on the Oracle server. I have NO PROBLEMS with the GM or customer support of PW MY. The ONLY reason I came to this version was the PVE server. If PW MY opens a PVE server I would go straight back there and never look back at this version.

This isnt my first MMORPG, I actually worked as a GM(Game Management not Guild Leader) for a MMORPG called Astonia. I know exactly what the GMS have to do and deal with. And these minor exploits are not as big of an issue as you think. Come off the witch hunt, let other players have their opinions, once again this is supposed to be a poll, and stop throwing up the TOS in every other post.

This thread isnt called do you know the TOS is called should you be permabanned for bugging bosses. So it doesnt matter what in the heck the TOS says. You are asking peoples opinions, so what the TOS says is irrelevent to someones OPINION.

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Was in a party today who just had to do it. I was one of the venos in partys and higher so they wanted me to do it. I refused and warned them it is against the rules. They banned me in the end as "punishement" for refusing to exploit the bug. I had screenshots though and contacted a GM straight away ingame just as I warned them I would. Normally our party was strong enough to do it the right way and even if it had not been then we would never have managed to do Quinzi either. The partyleader contacted me in the end asking no begging me to return because they needed one more person able to do damage but I was already talking to the GM at that time. I either do quests the right way or not at all even if it is harder.

Here's my take.

First, if programmers have found a bug in other versions and they happen to show up in later ones, then it is the responsibility of the programmers to fix the bug. If they don't fix it, they they are pretty much opening the door for people who "cheat."

Second, I honestly believe that Gouf is overpowered for the quest it's in. With that in mind of another person, killing a monster no matter how is the only way it seems you can continue on with your quest. A lot of people believe in a philosophy of "it's not about how you win, it that you WIN." I'm not justifying the exploitation of the glitch, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be as exploited if the boss in question wasn't so... uberpowered.

And thirdly, I think it might be interesting to make monsters that can be fought in different combat methods. Most people might just see this glitch as a possible method. And after all the Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ (Art of War) in Chapter 8: encourages a flexibility of tactics.

Keep the following in mind: 兵不厭詐。 All warfare is based on deception.

Has anyone any where seen or heard of a person being banned for it ? at all?

So until people are actually banned for glitching these things lets go play the game with out stressing about it..

I'm damn sure if the GMs care at all they will fix it

Botting and Hacks are more worrying these need to be stamped to death fast. Without us gamers sending tickets to support when we see them they wont get stopped. So screenie and send people please thx...

Yukiko - Lost City wrote: »

Congrats, your screenshots actually prove nothing. In the first two screenshots I do not see a single RQ member. Given the second and third screenshots seem to be of the same incident, and an RQ member only appears in the third shot, it seems as though you're trying to set the guild up.

Very, very sad.

Dunno if you've tried but its hard to get screenies exact we were watching in the air as the Rage quit Meatshield dragged the boss to those places sorry if the screenies are bad we have since started to use Frapps so keep up the good work Rage Quit we will get you banned soon..